Brexit

Quoted from Maringer

To be fair, the Nissan thing isn't just to do with Brexit. They were planning to build the diesel version of the cars over here but sales of diesels have dropped off a cliff in Europe following the pollution scandals in recent years to scaling back production is understandable.

The utter and total uncertainty about what the hell is going on with Brexit (now less than 2 months away!) will have had a lot to do with the decision, but it's not the only factor to be considered.

Quoted from grimsby pete

If you are a leaver or a  remainer one thing I think we can all agree on is,

The government and May have made a right useless mess of negotiating  any type of deal.

Quoted from Maringer

To be fair, the Nissan thing isn't just to do with Brexit. They were planning to build the diesel version of the cars over here but sales of diesels have dropped off a cliff in Europe following the pollution scandals in recent years to scaling back production is understandable.

The utter and total uncertainty about what the hell is going on with Brexit (now less than 2 months away!) will have had a lot to do with the decision, but it's not the only factor to be considered.

Quoted from MarinerMal

I'm sure there were also other business reasons besides Brexit for the decision but Brexit was certainly part of it. The fact still remains though, it's another negative impact of Brexit. We are heavily invested in by foreign companies who will not hesitate to abandon us if they see being in an EU country serves them better than being in a country that wants to leave. What can we offer these foreign countries that the EU cannot?

I am struggling at the moment see what positives have come from the whole Brexit mess at the moment. The only arguments I see from Bexiteers like Jacob Rees-Mogg (the guy who moved his own companies HQ to Dublin to avoid Brexit fallout) is that it is all down to Project Fear. When quite clearly it is closer to Project Reality.

It's about time we started to face up to fact and admit the majority were mislead by those serving self interest and not national interest.

Quoted from Marinerz93

The EU falls down on command of operations, only the British, French (much lower than UK), have any real command of operations that are in the EU.

The US hicks have an enormous amount of experience in operations and have been funding NATO more or less since it was formed and are a superpower and you think an over zealous Belgian MEP with holes in his pockets and plans of dominance, can match the infrastructure needed to replace NATO, the US can call on spy satellites to unmanned drones. This has cost billions to put in place and the rest of the EU are so far behind it's like looking at the Flintstones taking on Predator.

Putin has bemoaned that he feels the US/NATO have surrounded Russia the difference is the language used, Verhofstadt has made speeches in Brussels that the EU Army must front up to Russia, a show of force, is that not a more aggressive stance than what NATO has done.

An EU federal army won't happen, far too expensive, you may get a officer command training station, what will happen and is happening is each country will submit command of it's forces to France or Germany like it currently does now so deployable, interoperable force under a single command carrying out EU foreign policy. You still haven't addressed the cost, some of the EU countries are putting less than the agreed 2% of GDP into defence of their own countries and you think that an EU army can replace NATO.

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

What solid evidence have you got that would happen?

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

All we got from the politicians from both parties and the media before the referendum was that there would be mass unemployment and recession. Didn’t happen. The opposite actually. So why believe them now and throw the democratic vote in the bin ?

Quoted from forza ivano

without spiking maringer's guns id say the job losses would be widespread through all sectors. the transfer of financial services jobs to Europe and the problems the car industry would face have been widely covered. Tariffs on imported goods would lead to higher prices and less household spending so the retail sector would be quickly affected. Tariffs on exports would lead to our goods becoming too expensive for foreign customers to buy (although the expected collapse in the exchange rate may mitigate that). There would be an almost immediate cessation of new investment - who's going to spend money on new technology/facilities or simple expansion when the country is grinding to a halt? Companies are going to look to cut costs immediately so temps and zero hours staff would feel it immediately. Agriculture would be badly hit, bizarre to think that so many farmers are enthusiastic brexiteers.
there are so many implications - the whole thing is like peeling an onion, you just discover layer after layer of reprecussions. the exchange rate collapses so the EU workers on who we rely find its not worth staying here; not when they can move to Europe and get similar jobs, be closer to home and earn much more (its already happening in the building industry). What happens then to our care sector, our builders and to the hospitality and warehousing industries?

not a prospect i'd like to experience!

the only minor silver lining for no deal would be that it'd certainly sort out the brexit question once and for all. If after a couple of years of doom and chaos it looks like we're surviving and starting to move forward, then Johnson et al have been proved right and everythings hunky dory. if its a complete disaster then the Brexiteers and Little Englanders might finally shut up and a new government would take us back into Europe to try and make up the lost years