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Nissan’s decision not to begin production of a new model of car in Sunderland dominated the media at the start of the week, despite no jobs actually being lost. Brexit naturally got all the blame, despite a large number of other significant factors including falling demand for diesel cars and the EU’s stringent new emissions standards in the wake of Germany’s major diesel fraud scandal. If it was really a Brexit issue why didn’t Nissan just move production to one of their many manufacturing plants in Spain, or France where they have a strategic partnership with Renault?

Funny how quiet the media was when another Japanese car giant did start a major new production line – just last month Toyota commenced production of the new 2019 Corolla at its Burnaston plant in Derbyshire where over 3000 people are employed. The Corolla is not a niche SUV like the Nissan X-Trail, it is the best-selling car model in the world…

In fact the only mention of the new Corolla on BBC News was a single line in an article puffing up the latest round of no-deal bluster from the firm’s European boss and Greg Clark, which didn’t even mention the fact that new production had started. Not a word from Project Fear cheerleaders Sky News…

In other news, EU President of the European Council (basically where your tax dollars go to), Donald Tusk, says "I’ve been wondering what a special place in hell looks lke for people who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it out safely”. Because not throwing away 39 billion to un-eleceted failed former European leaders year on year is 'unsafe'.



Funny because it was a bunch of hardy Brits that saved Brussels not that long ago.




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kinnell Skrill. For a 'patriot' your grasp of British military history is dodgy. The blokes you picture were portraying troops in the Netherlands and didn't liberate Brussels (or anywhere, for long, despite their sacrifice).

I thought the whole reaction to Tusk's comment was illuminating. He laid a trap for all the muppets in his use of undiplomatic language. All those Brexiteers who voiced their outrage at being offended were admitting they had no plan! If you're a Brexiteer who had a clear plan then his comments didn't apply.  


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Perhaps more attention should be given to the fact that some of the money we are paying over to the E.U. is to meet our commitments to pensions for our current and former M.E.P.s which of course includes Farage (rhymes with garage) and his merry band of non-attenders. Almost miraculously they all managed to attend the Brussels meeting that was giving out information on their pension entitlements...


I have an inferiority complex-It's not a very good one though.
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Perhaps more attention should be given to the fact that some of the money we are paying over to the E.U. is to meet our commitments to pensions for our current and former M.E.P.s which of course includes Farage (rhymes with garage) and his merry band of non-attenders. Almost miraculously they all managed to attend the Brussels meeting that was giving out information on their pension entitlements...


We know their leaders are all a bunch of hypocrites. Rees-Mogg and his Irish relocation, Dyson offshoring to Singapore. I bet Aaron Banks has got his money in a tax haven. I know there's some unsavoury characters on the Remain side, but they don't pretend to be putting Britain first. 'Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.'


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It’s worrying that people see neoliberal millionaires like Ummuna and warmongers like Benn as “sensible”. Their brand of politics is dead - dead in the U.K and dead across Europe purely because their business as usual approach has put people in the position we’re in currently - massive disparities in wealth, migrant crises caused by western “intervention” in Africa and the Middle East and facing climate extinction. These people do not want a socialist govt as the gravy train stops when people start to address the root cause of many problems in society and they might have to do some actual work. They’ve been sticking the knife into their own party leadership daily for 3 years, 2 failed coups, constant undermining, briefing against the party and ultimately ignoring the membership which decides Labour policy. Not Corbyn, not Momentum, not shady billionaire donors - the members.

People are sick of the status quo and these people personify it.


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kinnell Skrill. For a 'patriot' your grasp of British military history is dodgy. The blokes you picture were portraying troops in the Netherlands and didn't liberate Brussels (or anywhere, for long, despite their sacrifice).

I thought the whole reaction to Tusk's comment was illuminating. He laid a trap for all the muppets in his use of undiplomatic language. All those Brexiteers who voiced their outrage at being offended were admitting they had no plan! If you're a Brexiteer who had a clear plan then his comments didn't apply.  


If you can find a coloured picture of the liberation of Brussels be my guest. Although Brian Horrocks who was in Bridge too far and led XXX Corps portrayed by Edward Fox, lead the liberation of Brussels so I was close ish.

The plan is very clear. Leave the European Union under WTO rules, regain sovereignty and build a British Bill of Rights enshrining free speech etc. Stop the spending deficit year on year, get a low-tax economy and welcome the investment. Anything would be better than the leftist high tax, statist, censoring, debt ridden governments.  


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The millionaires and billionaires must be absolutely laughing their cocks off at how easy it’s been to get bootlicking little serfs like Skrill to act as willing cheerleaders for them.

Yeah, I’m sure you’re really gonna benefit from things like corporation tax being slashed, and workers’ rights being scrapped, because that’s what the people at the bottom really need.

Don’t you ever get tired of living your life like such a pathetic victim? Oh boo hoo, the Reds are censoring what I can say, or so someone keeps telling me. Pathetic really. Looking forward to reading whatever Breitbart/Spiked article you copy & paste for us next, sure it’ll be illuminating as always.
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The millionaires and billionaires must be absolutely laughing their cocks off at how easy it’s been to get bootlicking little serfs like Skrill to act as willing cheerleaders for them.

Yeah, I’m sure you’re really gonna benefit from things like corporation tax being slashed, and workers’ rights being scrapped, because that’s what the people at the bottom really need.

Don’t you ever get tired of living your life like such a pathetic victim? Oh boo hoo, the Reds are censoring what I can say, or so someone keeps telling me. Pathetic really. Looking forward to reading whatever Breitbart/Spiked article you copy & paste for us next, sure it’ll be illuminating as always.


It is the left that play the victim card on race, class, and identity in their effort for character assassination. From university diversity quotas and stopping non-left speeches, to social housing while vets live on the streets. To the police being scared of a "far-right" uprising, while we have a opposition in government that is openly Marxist. What a laughable affair, 1984 double-think. That police also don't care about the principle of free speech, look what happened to Harry the Owl in Humberside. I think you'll find UKIP want to make the Big companies pay their fair share of tax returns, and want to leave the EU, which is a massive pro-Big Business lobby environment, destroying the small businesses that make the economies in Europe tick over.

Having lower tax is also the best thing a government can do for the working class and middle classes. Ever heard of the laffer curve? Might want to learn the economics.



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If you can find a coloured picture of the liberation of Brussels be my guest. Although Brian Horrocks who was in Bridge too far and led XXX Corps portrayed by Edward Fox, lead the liberation of Brussels so I was close ish.

The plan is very clear. Leave the European Union under WTO rules, regain sovereignty and build a British Bill of Rights enshrining free speech etc. Stop the spending deficit year on year, get a low-tax economy and welcome the investment. Anything would be better than the leftist high tax, statist, censoring, debt ridden governments.  


Why does it have to be colour? I think we can all figuratively, get the picture even if it's in black and white.

And is it so difficult to find pictures of actors from A Bridge Too Far portraying characters who were involved in the liberation of Brussels? If only there were easy to find colour pictures out there of Edward Fox as Horrocks ....oh!
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0.....&fv1=still_frame

flipping hell Skrill. I've heard of lazy racism, but you're the first case of lazy patriotism I've come across. If you're going to play the big patriot and quote war stories, pull your finger out and get them flipping right.

As for a Bill of Rights. We've got one of those already. Have had for 300 years. Strengthened and expanded by case law, and further legislation including the Human Rights Act which enshrined principles of the ECHR drafted by a British MP and sponsored by Winston Churchill. Again, if you want to be a British patriot, try to learn about your own flipping country.


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Having lower tax is also the best thing a government can do for the working class and middle classes. Ever heard of the laffer curve? Might want to learn the economics.



Flipping heck. An advocate of supply side economics on the Fishy!?! Who'd have thought it? Supply side economics is nothing but snake oil which has failed every test since the 1980s, though making the wealthy even wealthier along the way (some would say by design).

Empirical evidence has pretty much shown the  Laffer curve to be bullshit (or at least the policies based on the theory) - Reagan's tax cuts caused the US deficit and national debt to balloon, as did GWB's tax cuts. In between, we had Clinton's tax rises leading to a boom in revenue and job creation. The US economy did OK under Reagan and GWB because the tax cuts acted as a stimulus - i.e. the US Government took on masses of debt and this found its way into the pockets of workers, but most of it went to the wealthy.

I'm actually all for reasonable amounts of government debt, but only if it does some good. Making millionaires into billionaires isn't doing much good. Which is mostly what happened with QE in this country, oddly enough.

If you're going to tell people to learn the economics, probably best to make sure that you aren't promoting something which has been discredited thoroughly. You'll be advocating a return to the Gold Standard next!
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