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Who ssaid owt about picking a fight with Russia? NATO is doing better in those stakes than the EU right now. I agree with Trump on one thing. The EU needs to be able to defend itself. Like I said, it'll take time.

As for the capability to attack other countries like Libya. Well that worked out well for us didn't it?


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Who ssaid owt about picking a fight with Russia? NATO is doing better in those stakes than the EU right now. I agree with Trump on one thing. The EU needs to be able to defend itself. Like I said, it'll take time.

As for the capability to attack other countries like Libya. Well that worked out well for us didn't it?


The EU top cheeses have been spouting for the last couple of years the need for an EU army to front up to Russia, a far more aggressive stance than what NATO has been accused of by Putin. The Federal EU Army will take an age to replace the capabilities we have under NATO, you don't seem to recognize that this will cost billions and who is going to pay for it, as no country has the resources the yanks have and also the command structure, if the UK stayed in the EU would you be happy with the Belgians commanding our forces into war.


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Do you realise that Cameron secured a veto over us joining a European Army and "ever closer union" before the brexit vote even took place?


The most fundamental fact is that there is a trade-off between the ability to determine our own rules and access to foreign markets. This fact of life isn’t applicable just to the EU but to any advanced free trade agreement. If you take a purist position on sovereignty, we won’t get advanced trade deals, we will trade less and we will be poorer.

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Do you realise that Cameron secured a veto over us joining a European Army and "ever closer union" before the brexit vote even took place?


In a federal Europe where countries powers have been transferred to the EU, there will be no veto, watch and see.



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I think Ohman is the best Swedish player ever to play for town,

Thought I would just highjack this thread,


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In a federal Europe where countries powers have been transferred to the EU, there will be no veto, watch and see.



The point is that we have a veto over ever closer union, so we would never be part of a federal europe and therefore is a bogus reason to vote for brexit.


The most fundamental fact is that there is a trade-off between the ability to determine our own rules and access to foreign markets. This fact of life isn’t applicable just to the EU but to any advanced free trade agreement. If you take a purist position on sovereignty, we won’t get advanced trade deals, we will trade less and we will be poorer.

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I think Ohman is the best Swedish player ever to play for town,

Thought I would just highjack this thread,


I DEMAND THAT THE MODS DELETE THIS FOOTBALL-RELATED POST IN A NON-FOOTY THREAD!
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The EU top cheeses have been spouting for the last couple of years the need for an EU army to front up to Russia, a far more aggressive stance than what NATO has been accused of by Putin. The Federal EU Army will take an age to replace the capabilities we have under NATO, you don't seem to recognize that this will cost billions and who is going to pay for it, as no country has the resources the yanks have and also the command structure, if the UK stayed in the EU would you be happy with the Belgians commanding our forces into war.


How can I put this more clearly for you. The original point I made about the EU army is that now the UK is leaving the EU they can get on with it, without us blocking progress. It isn't going to cost us money as we won't be part of it.

A lot of NATO spending is on force projection. The burghers of Europe won't want to spend more than they have to, so the EU army will adopt a defensive posture. Unlike NATO which has actively encircled Russia since the collapse of the SU (despite promises not to do anything of the sort). Putin's mob do moan about the EU, but they reserve their worst vitriol for NATO.

As for the Yanks having more resources to pay for things than Europe. You're having a giraffe aren't you.


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I think Ohman is the best Swedish player ever to play for town,

Thought I would just highjack this thread,


What about Graham Taylor. I'm sure I read that he was a Suede.  


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What about Graham Taylor. I'm sure I read that he was a Suede.  


Oh, and more seriously.........Martin Pringle.


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