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Hmmm. Interesting if this report is true/comes to pass: https://www.theguardian.com/po.....it-faces-public-voteFundamentally, Labour would say we'll back May's deal to get it through parliament with the proviso it going to a second referendum. This would obviously then be an in/out option with the electorate at least knowing what they are voting for this time around. Electoral calculus would tend to indicate that Remain would win this time around, but then who knows, because that's what everyone assumed last time? Of course, this wouldn't settle things for many hard Brexiteers regardless of which way the decision went. Bizarrely, some still seem to think that a No deal Brexit would be for the best despite all evidence to the contrary. They would either be complaining about losing or complaining that we don't have a 'proper' Brexit when the economy takes a hit as anticipated. Regardless, I'll bet Farage is rubbing his hands with glee - he'll be back centre stage before he knows it and will probably get the chance to fail to be elected as an MP again in any number of seats.
From what I've read it all depends on turnout - if the youth turnout at the same level as the pensioners Remain will win comfortably. If the first referendum had been in September rather than June we might have a different result. Exams just finished, drunk and hungover Uni and A Level students thought Remain would win and didn't bother to vote... |
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So now EU immigration is down, and non-EU immigration is up, I wonder if those Brexiteers who were motivated by racist tendancies (some not all mind) are feeling happier now that their aged mother is going to be looked after by a woman from west Africa rather than a Slav.
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IF there were to be another referendum AND the result was still to leave it would be highly interesting as to what might happen then?
I wonder if there are actually any plans in place to manage an exit or do the "powers that be" think that we'll never leave and so have just pushed this around for the last three years knowing that we would always remain?
If leave won, then there are obviously still too many racists and ignorant old people who didn't know what they were voting for. The same cry baby tactics will be rolled out again and again until the anti democracy, self loathing remainers win, which will be horrific for those who don't want to be part of a federal Europe paying federal tax's as well as paying income tax. Remaining is turkey's voting for Christmas except it won't be our heads on the blocks it will be the grubby hands of the EU in our wallets. |
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So now EU immigration is down, and non-EU immigration is up, I wonder if those Brexiteers who were motivated by racist tendancies (some not all mind) are feeling happier now that their aged mother is going to be looked after by a woman from west Africa rather than a Slav.
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If leave won, then there are obviously still too many racists and ignorant old people who didn't know what they were voting for. The same cry baby tactics will be rolled out again and again until the anti democracy, self loathing remainers win, which will be horrific for those who don't want to be part of a federal Europe paying federal tax's as well as paying income tax. Remaining is turkey's voting for Christmas except it won't be our heads on the blocks it will be the grubby hands of the EU in our wallets.
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Not just old people. You've demonstrated in this thread that you don't know either.
To be fair to Marinerz93 I think he's maybe said "old people" with tongue firmly in cheek The media do put forward this generalisation that it was old folk who wanted out and the young who wanted to remain when of course it was a lot more complex than that Maybe there was something in it with the samples that the opinion polls showed but if our votes were anonymous how could anyone know the age of those in the polling booths?  |
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To be fair to Marinerz93 I think he's maybe said "old people" with tongue firmly in cheek The media do put forward this generalisation that it was old folk who wanted out and the young who wanted to remain when of course it was a lot more complex than that Maybe there was something in it with the samples that the opinion polls showed but if our votes were anonymous how could anyone know the age of those in the polling booths?
Polls were done on how people had voted. Of course people can lie, but as a generality, the polls showed pensioners / those who had paid off mortgage voted leave, the young and those working with mortgages voted remain, the young voted generally remain except generally those on benefits and in rented voted leave. If the young turned out as strongly as pensioners Remain would win. The Tory bribes to pass May's deal are too little too late. Scrap HS2, invest in Crossrail North from Hull to Liverpool, investment in electrified light rail in the North and Midlands to link to the fast rail hubs at Donny / Newark / Peterborough, put fast Wifi clouds over all major urban areas and scrap Brexit because what we pay to the EU is feck all compared to the overall economic benefits. Time for our youth to take back control from the Tory shires old-fart elite that want a hard brexit. |
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Polls were done on how people had voted. Of course people can lie, but as a generality, the polls showed pensioners / those who had paid off mortgage voted leave, the young and those working with mortgages voted remain, the young voted generally remain except generally those on benefits and in rented voted leave.
If the young turned out as strongly as pensioners Remain would win.
The Tory bribes to pass May's deal are too little too late. Scrap HS2, invest in Crossrail North from Hull to Liverpool, investment in electrified light rail in the North and Midlands to link to the fast rail hubs at Donny / Newark / Peterborough, put fast Wifi clouds over all major urban areas and scrap Brexit because what we pay to the EU is feck all compared to the overall economic benefits. Time for our youth to take back control from the Tory shires old-fart elite that want a hard brexit.
Agree with a lot of what you say LM but everyone knows that the polls are inaccurate... if the exit polls had been correct in June 2016, then the Remain campaign would have been a success and we'd have decided to stay in Europe The whole thing has been a disaster, with Cameron and then May making a pig's ear of everything... sad to say but those same Tories will still be in charge for the next 3 years at least, no matter what ( if anything ) happens this month  |
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Not just old people. You've demonstrated in this thread that you don't know either.
 Woooooosh, I nearly had a flash back to 2016
To be fair to Marinerz93 I think he's maybe said "old people" with tongue firmly in cheek
The media do put forward this generalisation that it was old folk who wanted out and the young who wanted to remain when of course it was a lot more complex than thatMaybe there was something in it with the samples that the opinion polls showed but if our votes were anonymous how could anyone know the age of those in the polling booths?
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