To All Who Think Paul Hurst Should Go

Can't believe we have this discussion every time we fail to win a game.

We are 8 games into the season, and the board ain't going to sack the manager because we have lost 2 games against two of the leagues best teams away from home, and neither should they.

Quoted from ginnywings

Can't believe we have this discussion every time we fail to win a game.

Glad someone else said it. Nothing more tedious than the 50-odd pages of meta-analysis whenever we lose, and that goes for people on both side of the argument.  

Quoted from MarinerRob

About 16 months ago Grimsby finished 6th in the National League.

They went on to beat Nott County away from home, and they then went on to beat Wrexham 4-5 - in probably the best playoff game in history - before beating Solihull in the final to gain promotion to League Two.

With a ridiculously short pre-season (about 4 weeks, I think) he built a team to take on League Two.

When the FA Cup came around they were drawn against the highest team possible (Plymouth) and beat them 5-1.
In the second round, they beat Cambridge (in a higher league) 2-1 away from home.
In the third round, they beat Burton (in a higher league) 1-0 at home.
In the fourth round, they were drawn away to Luton (in the playoff places to the Premier League) and drew 2-2. At home, they destroyed them 3-0.
In the fifth round, they beat Southampton (from the Premier League) 2-1
In the quarter-finals, they were drawn against Brighton (who were sitting in 7th place in the Premier League and were beaten 5-0. Brighton team was valued at about £370 million. Grimsby about £2 million.

They are the only team to ever get that far in the FA Cup playing all teams from a higher league.

They then finished 11th in League Two, their highest position for about 20 years.

The person who made all the right decisions in all these games was Paul Hurst.

Yet, now, he is not good enough according to some people. Totally bonkers.

Ginnywings this is the guy who started it all out of fresh air. Don't tar everyone with the same brush.

Quoted from ska face

Glad someone else said it. Nothing more tedious than the 50-odd pages of meta-analysis whenever we lose, and that goes for people on both side of the argument.  

Usually when kids get upset, they have a tantrum. Adults usually have to be a little more stoic. Everyone gets upset, but handle it in different ways.

Maybe the fishy is our own little playpen so people can have their tantrums. You kinda hope after a loss, people aren't giving it the "I HATE YOU AND I HATE EVERYONE. ESPECIALLY YOU PAUL HURST. I NEVER WANT TO SEE YOU AGAIN".

I think I've seen some great comments about Paul Hurst changing the way we play. Going to a more possession style. Over time, to change to that, you might need to ensure you have a full 11 players capable of that football, which could take time. The thing with possession football, is you need to keep then ball, progress it, create opportunities, then score. It looks like he's ticked the first 2 boxes, and need to get those last 2 down. It would be naive to think he doesn't want to do that, and he'll be as frustrated as we are. He'll be wondering what he changes in training to give us more of that and embed that in the team.

Weirdly, people see footballers as static objects like cars that cannot improve, yet we've all seen great players go average, and poor players get good. They're people, and every time something goes bad in a game situation, they're probably stewing on it and working their balderdash off to improve that aspect of their game (or drinking to forget about it). Football is so full or grey areas, and it's about managing those things in the right direction. I've personally seen enough attributes from Paul to see him turn a relegation team into a promoted team. A team that can go on big runs losing, to a team that can hold their own. Why would I not give him the chance to turn that team into a team getting ahead of the percentages and snatching more wins that losses over time.

Many here think people that accept a loss, accept mediocrity, and mid table. Hell no. We all want it, we just see it as an evolutionary, rather than revolutionary issue. We see how the Chelsea's of this world fail, and the Brighton's and Luton's build. We remember how well that managerial merry go round for us has done us poorly over the years and we never want to see the conference again. I believe Paul Hurst can get us into the play-offs this year, and I secretly hope he can snatch that third automatic spot as we get people fit and the team gels more. I don't see any reason why he cannot improve on things as they are, and not every improvement comes during a transfer window. Harry Clifton, Luke Waterfall, John McAtee are clear signs of how progression as a player can happen. Even if we don't get play-offs this year, if we improve on our position, we should stick, and give him that next transfer window to get those final parts of the puzzle in place. It could very well be that we go from a team of 50% promotion capable players to 75% to 100%. With every signing, it could improve, and it could get worse, but as you build up a stock of more players you can count on, you're replacing less, and you can focus more on that.

For reference, it took Luton 4 years to get out of league 2, and people expect us to do it in 2, when you have a Hollywood budget team in the mix (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luton_Town_F.C.#/media/File:Luton_Town_FC_League_Performance.svg). People expect us to progress faster than Luton, the poster child for football success at the moment.

Quoted from GrimPol

Ginnywings this is the guy who started it all out of fresh air. Don't tar everyone with the same brush.

Except, MarinerRob didn’t start it out of fresh air.

The usual protagonist did:

No way will i shut up while things are as they are . Hurst needs to go he dont have a clue  never has.  sick of the crap he spouts and the teams he puts out and how he plays them .No i dont like him one bit
Match Thread Wrexham   (reply)     Posted by: denni266
Date Posted: September 16, 2023, 5:04pm
What will hurst say after the game .. They are a very good side  bla bla bla. Round hairy things ...Try looking  at the truith  we are crap because of the crap you got in the doors and the way you set them up nearly every week  Utter crap
Match Thread Wrexham   (reply)     Posted by: denni266
Date Posted: September 16, 2023, 4:59pm
Feel for them that went all that way to see hursts team of defenders that cannot defend . Stockwood needs to man up and act .
Match Thread Wrexham   (reply)     Posted by: denni266
Date Posted: September 16, 2023, 4:46pm
Goal dif gone in one go. What a tin pot team we have .. Hurst out before tea .
Match Thread Wrexham   (reply)     Posted by: denni266
Date Posted: September 16, 2023, 4:07pm
Lets see if hurst makes any changes at half time or sticks to his usual form and waits untill 80 mins and puts another defence minded player on
Match Thread Wrexham   (reply)     Posted by: denni266
Date Posted: September 16, 2023, 3:48pm
This is what hurst gets us with a milion to spend  crap.. Wouldnt trust him to do the shopping for half time tea and oranges .. Pathetic . Who ever puts their trust in him needs to get their bumps felt  starting with Stockwood and Pettit

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Except, MarinerRob didn’t start it out of fresh air.

The usual protagonist did:

No way will i shut up while things are as they are . Hurst needs to go he dont have a clue  never has.  sick of the crap he spouts and the teams he puts out and how he plays them .No i dont like him one bit
Match Thread Wrexham   (reply)     Posted by: denni266
Date Posted: September 16, 2023, 5:04pm
What will hurst say after the game .. They are a very good side  bla bla bla. Round hairy things ...Try looking  at the truith  we are crap because of the crap you got in the doors and the way you set them up nearly every week  Utter crap
Match Thread Wrexham   (reply)     Posted by: denni266
Date Posted: September 16, 2023, 4:59pm
Feel for them that went all that way to see hursts team of defenders that cannot defend . Stockwood needs to man up and act .
Match Thread Wrexham   (reply)     Posted by: denni266
Date Posted: September 16, 2023, 4:46pm
Goal dif gone in one go. What a tin pot team we have .. Hurst out before tea .
Match Thread Wrexham   (reply)     Posted by: denni266
Date Posted: September 16, 2023, 4:07pm
Lets see if hurst makes any changes at half time or sticks to his usual form and waits untill 80 mins and puts another defence minded player on
Match Thread Wrexham   (reply)     Posted by: denni266
Date Posted: September 16, 2023, 3:48pm
This is what hurst gets us with a milion to spend  crap.. Wouldnt trust him to do the shopping for half time tea and oranges .. Pathetic . Who ever puts their trust in him needs to get their bumps felt  starting with Stockwood and Pettit

We'll probably 1 day find out that either their wife has the hots for Paul Hurst, or they were rejected by Paul and secretly plot about his downfall every day. This looks more personal than logical, and they don't realise that if everything they post about Hurst is negative, people just ignore them as the doom monger in the streets "The end is nigh". Paul Hurst is living in their head rent free, and for someone that hates the guy so much, they spend a lot of time thinking about them. Their life became about Paul Hurst.

I think a bit of context is needed.

We have played eight league games so far this season.  Of these, only one was against a team currently sitting in the bottom third of the table at kick off last Saturday (Salford), which we won.  Four of the other seven were against teams currently in the top third, including the top two.

Furthermore, this probably won't change until we play Tranmere, by which time only one of our eleven games will have been against a team in the bottom third.  That's a quarter of the season.  Given such a tough start, and given the tough standard in League 2 this year, if we we are anywhere near the top ten by then, it should be considered an acceptable, if not brilliant, start to the season.

In my opinion of course.

Quoted from ginnywings

Can't believe we have this discussion every time we fail to win a game.

We are 8 games into the season, and the board ain't going to sack the manager because we have lost 2 games against two of the leagues best teams away from home, and neither should they.

Having a discussion in the fishy about whether posters think he should go or not and the Directors being unlikely to sack him are two entirely different subjects

The absolute garbage that denni posts leads me to believe he is about 6 years old!

Quoted from HerveJosse

Having a discussion in the fishy about whether posters think he should go or not and the Directors being unlikely to sack him are two entirely different subjects

I definitely think the second point has a bearing on the first point, as it renders the discussion pointless.

If you think differently, that's your prerogative.

My main point is that it's getting ridiculous to be having the conversation at all, every time we fail to win a game.