It's not good. It's attempting to tell you women's football is as good as the men's game. It's not.
Women's football is a different game and good luck to them and those that watch it. There is enough room for both sports.
Just stop trying to compare it to the men's game, it doesn't come off well.
It's not telling you that women's football is as good as men's - it's not comparing women's football against men's football - it's showing that people are often prejudiced against the women's game simply because it is women who are playing it. I bet there were a load of sexist idiots who saw that clip on social media, were fooled into thinking they were watching Mbappé, Hazard et al., thought "hmm, decent goals" or similar, and then saw the reveal (then, depending on their level of prejudice, probably said "ugh, weren't that good goals anyway").
It's like when your average Joe Bloggs player scores a decent goal and the commentator notes that if it were Messi or Ronaldo who scored the same goal then everybody would be going crazy over it.
I watched quite a few of the Women's Euros games in South Yorkshire last year and really enjoyed the games. I would love to see another tournament like that in person. Plenty of other Mariners there too.
I was following the French as well as England as France played their games largely at Rotherham where tickets were relatively easy to obtain.
The level of skill is rising in the game. I watch a fair bit of it locally.
Donny Belles play at my local side's ground and are charging only £19.69 for a season ticket to mark their forming in 1969. I'll have some of that. Just £1.70 a game and the game is just a brisk three mile walk after my Sunday lunch (ten minutes on the bus if raining).
It's not telling you that women's football is as good as men's - it's not comparing women's football against men's football - it's showing that people are often prejudiced against the women's game simply because it is women who are playing it. I bet there were a load of sexist idiots who saw that clip on social media, were fooled into thinking they were watching Mbappé, Hazard et al., thought "hmm, decent goals" or similar, and then saw the reveal (then, depending on their level of prejudice, probably said "ugh, weren't that good goals anyway").
It's like when your average Joe Bloggs player scores a decent goal and the commentator notes that if it were Messi or Ronaldo who scored the same goal then everybody would be going crazy over it.
Of course it is comparing. By showing you men scoring goals only for it to be women in an attempt to tell you that you can't tell the difference between men and women at football. Well may be not in a single clip but you certainly can in a full game.
Again, I am not against women's football at all. I don't like this undertone of, if you don't watch women's football you are misogynistic.
Just because someone may not watch much if any of the women's world cup does not make them sexist or misogynistic. Women's football appeals to a different audience. I know people who won't take their children to men's game but will take them to a women's football match. That is fine and I get it. It just doesn't appeal to me and that should be fine too.
Of course it is comparing. By showing you men scoring goals only for it to be women in an attempt to tell you that you can't tell the difference between men and women at football. Well may be not in a single clip but you certainly can in a full game.
Again, I am not against women's football at all. I don't like this undertone of, if you don't watch women's football you are misogynistic.
Just because someone may not watch much if any of the women's world cup does not make them sexist or misogynistic. Women's football appeals to a different audience. I know people who won't take their children to men's game but will take them to a women's football match. That is fine and I get it. It just doesn't appeal to me and that should be fine too.
Of course it’s fine if you don’t want to watch it! I don’t think anybody has suggested that if you don’t watch then you’re automatically a misogynist. That would be a childishly simple accusation to make. I can’t stand the show Queer Eye but that doesn’t make me homophobic – it’s not my cup of tea so I don’t watch it (you know, like how every piece of culture works).
What’s weird is that out of everything that’s out there for us to watch/engage with, women’s football seems to be the thing which people go out of their way to let the world know they’re not interested in, which I find weird.
I’ll prepare the **you don’t HAVE to read this thread if you’re not into women’s football** and the **you are not automatically a misogynist if you don’t watch the WC** klaxons ready as we’ll probably need them over the next few weeks.
Of course it’s fine if you don’t want to watch it! I don’t think anybody has suggested that if you don’t watch then you’re automatically a misogynist. That would be a childishly simple accusation to make. I can’t stand the show Queer Eye but that doesn’t make me homophobic – it’s not my cup of tea so I don’t watch it (you know, like how every piece of culture works).
What’s weird is that out of everything that’s out there for us to watch/engage with, women’s football seems to be the thing which people go out of their way to let the world know they’re not interested in, which I find weird.
I’ll prepare the **you don’t HAVE to read this thread if you’re not into women’s football** and the **you are not automatically a misogynist if you don’t watch the WC** klaxons ready as we’ll probably need them over the next few weeks.
For some their opinion of 'I don't like this' equates to 'therefore it is sh*t'. And 'I do like this' equates to 'therefore it is good'.
It is far more nuanced and requires deeper thinking to say 'I don't like this' but recognise that that does not make it sh*t and that people who do like it are not somehow inferior/stupid as a result.
Miss Scunthorpe. Not a beauty pageant, just sound advice.
Of course it’s fine if you don’t want to watch it! I don’t think anybody has suggested that if you don’t watch then you’re automatically a misogynist. That would be a childishly simple accusation to make. I can’t stand the show Queer Eye but that doesn’t make me homophobic – it’s not my cup of tea so I don’t watch it (you know, like how every piece of culture works).
What’s weird is that out of everything that’s out there for us to watch/engage with, women’s football seems to be the thing which people go out of their way to let the world know they’re not interested in, which I find weird.
I’ll prepare the **you don’t HAVE to read this thread if you’re not into women’s football** and the **you are not automatically a misogynist if you don’t watch the WC** klaxons ready as we’ll probably need them over the next few weeks.
Sadly this kind of thread brings out the views from some individuals who don't like or resent the Intrusion of women into bastions of male dominated sports. They seem to think it's ok for women to participate in "traditional" female sports like hockey, netball and to some degree tennis. Once you mention women in traditional male dominated sports, like football, rugby and cricket it becomes " inferior" or not for them. The standards and way it is played should be judged by how it is, without any comparisons to the male version.
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I watched the England game and the standard isn't great tbh but as a stand alone event it's quite entertaining. It's a bit like watching an England C mens world cup I'd guess ?
Sadly this kind of thread brings out the views from some individuals who don't like or resent the Intrusion of women into bastions of male dominated sports. They seem to think it's ok for women to participate in "traditional" female sports like hockey, netball and to some degree tennis. Once you mention women in traditional male dominated sports, like football, rugby and cricket it becomes " inferior" or not for them. The standards and way it is played should be judged by how it is, without any comparisons to the male version.
Utter nonsense. It is the women's game that tries to compare itself to the men's not the other way around. (see the Orange ad posted earlier).
I agree it shouldn't be compared. They are two different sports. Enjoying both or one or the other should be fine without comments like "Sadly this kind of thread brings out the views from some individuals who don't like or resent the Intrusion of women into bastions of male dominated sports. They seem to think it's ok for women to participate in "traditional" female sports like hockey, netball and to some degree tennis."
I don't think I've read one comment on this thread saying women shouldn't be allowed to play football or any sport. However, you back up my point that if you don't watch women's football you are somehow misogynistic.
If you enjoy watching the Women's World Cup then great. Comment on it as you would any football match "England didn't play well but got the win", "Good first win for England" etc. There is no need to add comments about how men who don't watch it are against women's sport. I don't see how such comments further the support for the women's game.
[quote=259]The angry gammons are out in force with their red crosses on this thread!
Looking forward to seeing how our Lionesses fair after the euros. Would be nice to knock the yanks off their perch!
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I am frankly astounded that a request for an explantion into "angry gammons" has recieved so many red crosses but no explanation, I ask again, a simple explantion to the following questions.
What is a angry Gammon? Why would a "Gammon" be so angry about this thread? Are you suggesting that "Angry Gammons" dont like or are against the Womens world cup? If you are making a political point with your Gammon comment at least back it up with some factsI mean surely there are sexists from all sides of the political spectrum just as there are Racists and other narrow minded individuals.
If you are making a statment please at least back it up with some facts! The very word "Gammon" used in certain context can be seen as devisive, racist or hate speech.
The red crosses to this post will probably say more about you than you care to admit.
I am frankly astounded that a request for an explantion into "angry gammons" has recieved so many red crosses but no explanation, I ask again, a simple explantion to the following questions.
What is a angry Gammon? Why would a "Gammon" be so angry about this thread? Are you suggesting that "Angry Gammons" dont like or are against the Womens world cup? If you are making a political point with your Gammon comment at least back it up with some factsI mean surely there are sexists from all sides of the political spectrum just as there are Racists and other narrow minded individuals.
If you are making a statment please at least back it up with some facts! The very word "Gammon" used in certain context can be seen as devisive, racist or hate speech.
The red crosses to this post will probably say more about you than you care to admit.
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Gammon simply means red faced, which is what angry people are said to display.
Care to name the context you refer to that makes it racist or hate speech?
Utter nonsense. It is the women's game that tries to compare itself to the men's not the other way around. (see the Orange ad posted earlier).
I agree it shouldn't be compared. They are two different sports. Enjoying both or one or the other should be fine without comments like "Sadly this kind of thread brings out the views from some individuals who don't like or resent the Intrusion of women into bastions of male dominated sports. They seem to think it's ok for women to participate in "traditional" female sports like hockey, netball and to some degree tennis."
I don't think I've read one comment on this thread saying women shouldn't be allowed to play football or any sport. However, you back up my point that if you don't watch women's football you are somehow misogynistic.
If you enjoy watching the Women's World Cup then great. Comment on it as you would any football match "England didn't play well but got the win", "Good first win for England" etc. There is no need to add comments about how men who don't watch it are against women's sport. I don't see how such comments further the support for the women's game.
If you look at my post I never said men don't want women to participate, merely that ' some individuals' resent it's intrusion into traditional male sports. There have been many posts on this site, when women's football is mentioned, that have called it inferior, poor quality and not worth watching. That surely must be a comparison to the men's game?
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I think the continued comparisons, albeit usually done by media types or fans with nothing else to say don’t help the game at all.
Whilst the fundamentals are the same, the game isn’t. One has had over a 100 years to establish itself and in many places has obscene amounts of cash thrown at it, the other is still regarded as being in its infancy.
There’s clearly a double standard within the game and regardless of FIFAs alleged dedication to inclusion and equal opportunities etc, it’s clear they don’t really value the Women’s World Cup. Media companies certainly don’t, nor do Nike it would appear…
Personally, I haven’t seen any of it, for various reason but mainly because I’m not that interested, the same reasons I didn’t want the u21s tournament. Not because I’m some weird misogynist but because I haven’t. If the women’s game can get more girls and kids into football, that can only be a good thing.
'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
I watched quite a few of the Women's Euros games in South Yorkshire last year and really enjoyed the games. I would love to see another tournament like that in person. Plenty of other Mariners there too.
I was following the French as well as England as France played their games largely at Rotherham where tickets were relatively easy to obtain.
The level of skill is rising in the game. I watch a fair bit of it locally.
Donny Belles play at my local side's ground and are charging only £19.69 for a season ticket to mark their forming in 1969. I'll have some of that. Just £1.70 a game and the game is just a brisk three mile walk after my Sunday lunch (ten minutes on the bus if raining).
I think the continued comparisons, albeit usually done by media types or fans with nothing else to say don’t help the game at all.
Whilst the fundamentals are the same, the game isn’t. One has had over a 100 years to establish itself and in many places has obscene amounts of cash thrown at it, the other is still regarded as being in its infancy.
There’s clearly a double standard within the game and regardless of FIFAs alleged dedication to inclusion and equal opportunities etc, it’s clear they don’t really value the Women’s World Cup. Media companies certainly don’t, nor do Nike it would appear…
Personally, I haven’t seen any of it, for various reason but mainly because I’m not that interested, the same reasons I didn’t want the u21s tournament. Not because I’m some weird misogynist but because I haven’t. If the women’s game can get more girls and kids into football, that can only be a good thing.
I'm the same I just don't watch it because of a mix of, I'm generally not interested in women's sports as a whole anyway, but women's football doesn't help itself by pushing itself as this great game comparable to the men's when I can watch the same quality of football at a Highschool Under16s game or down the park watching some local Sunday League.
I saw on social media them making a big deal out of the Aussie games attendance being like 75,000 "people saying that no one cares about women's football", then the usual social media responses saying the same thing, where are they on a normal game day? When crowds in most cases barely make it into the 1000s
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Through my daughters taking something of an interest in the game, we started to watch womens football as well as Grimsby games to try and show that it isn't simply a game for men. That has led to both of them being involved playing, one with a boys team and one in a girls team.
Having watched a bit of womens football, and going to the Womens FA Cup final in May, I think there is actually quite a lot of comparable similarity then it gets credit for. The tactical flow of a game is highly similar, and the technical proficiency is nearly the same at the highest level.
There are two things that will always separate the male/female game, one of which is blatantly obvious and doesn't need in depth analysis, the other is also fairly common sense but can be improved over a lot of time.
The first is the obvious physiological differences that exist. Of course there isn't a firm and definitive rule but in general men tend to be faster and stronger than women. At the highest level of any sport driven by physical qualities men will primarily come out on top owing in no fault to anyone other than genes. For that reason the speed of the game is unlikely to ever be as quick as the mens but everything else is approaching the same level and can very often be good to watch.
The other one is the depth of quality. You can go and watch Grimsby Borough or Clee Town and see something of a decent standard of football. Go down a bit beyond the top level of the womens game and I think the quality starts to deteriorate quite quickly. As more and more young girls start playing and continue into adulthood then this can and hopefully will see the standard improve within the whole pyramid of the womens game.
It's a persons own perspective whether they choose to watch it, that's everyone's right but I've personally quite enjoyed it whenever I've sat down to watch a game.
I helped run the local ladies football team here for 3-4 games whilst they looked for a permanent manager. Loved every minute of it. Standard wasn't great but the banter was better than local mens football in my opinion.
Would shut the curtains if they were playing in my backyard.
In his three stints as Grimsby Town manager spanning over 10 years the club was never relegated and he also guided them to three promotions. Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them. GOD
I'm the same I just don't watch it because of a mix of, I'm generally not interested in women's sports as a whole anyway, but women's football doesn't help itself by pushing itself as this great game comparable to the men's when I can watch the same quality of football at a Highschool Under16s game or down the park watching some local Sunday League.
I saw on social media them making a big deal out of the Aussie games attendance being like 75,000 "people saying that no one cares about women's football", then the usual social media responses saying the same thing, where are they on a normal game day? When crowds in most cases barely make it into the 1000s
Through my daughters taking something of an interest in the game, we started to watch womens football as well as Grimsby games to try and show that it isn't simply a game for men. That has led to both of them being involved playing, one with a boys team and one in a girls team.
Having watched a bit of womens football, and going to the Womens FA Cup final in May, I think there is actually quite a lot of comparable similarity then it gets credit for. The tactical flow of a game is highly similar, and the technical proficiency is nearly the same at the highest level.
There are two things that will always separate the male/female game, one of which is blatantly obvious and doesn't need in depth analysis, the other is also fairly common sense but can be improved over a lot of time.
The first is the obvious physiological differences that exist. Of course there isn't a firm and definitive rule but in general men tend to be faster and stronger than women. At the highest level of any sport driven by physical qualities men will primarily come out on top owing in no fault to anyone other than genes. For that reason the speed of the game is unlikely to ever be as quick as the mens but everything else is approaching the same level and can very often be good to watch.
The other one is the depth of quality. You can go and watch Grimsby Borough or Clee Town and see something of a decent standard of football. Go down a bit beyond the top level of the womens game and I think the quality starts to deteriorate quite quickly. As more and more young girls start playing and continue into adulthood then this can and hopefully will see the standard improve within the whole pyramid of the womens game.
It's a persons own perspective whether they choose to watch it, that's everyone's right but I've personally quite enjoyed it whenever I've sat down to watch a game.
Excellent post and sums up the situation. My grandchildren live in Florida and girls at school in USA are introduced to football ( or soccer as they call it) very early - 7 or 8 years old. As a consequence it is well structured and organised. This is one of the reason why the USA womens team is so good.
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In the UK, we're notoriously lacking in people with coaching qualifications (for both boys and girls) in comparison to most developed countries. The Yanks are really, really keen on the organisational side of things and have plenty of qualified coaches. Of course, some of it is to do with money as well. It tends to be a sport played by kids from wealthier families over there and there are lots of paid soccer camps and the like.
I know there has been some headway made in trying to get more qualified coaches over here, but the numbers still pale in comparison to the likes of the US, Germany, etc etc.
In the UK, we're notoriously lacking in people with coaching qualifications (for both boys and girls) in comparison to most developed countries. The Yanks are really, really keen on the organisational side of things and have plenty of qualified coaches. Of course, some of it is to do with money as well. It tends to be a sport played by kids from wealthier families over there and there are lots of paid soccer camps and the like.
I know there has been some headway made in trying to get more qualified coaches over here, but the numbers still pale in comparison to the likes of the US, Germany, etc etc.
Coaching qualifications are interesting discussion point.
Aside from the basic ones, the cost for those more in depth qualifications increases dramatically and I’m sure it wasn’t so long ago that they were more expensive to do in the UK than anywhere else.
There’s also the old boys network too. Plenty of people could and would pass the UEFA A and B licenses for instance but getting it the pro game, even women’s, is notoriously difficult so factor in costs and you can see why we have so few.
Once there is a level of parity between the men’s and women’s game, then you’re more likely to see an increase in quality, greater infrastructure and likely a more concrete system.
Women’s football, it could be argued, is still in its infancy. If it’s still the same in 100 years then perhaps questions can be asked but right now it’s unfair, and besides, I’m not sure the corrupt, corporate greedy, tax evading sportwashing we’re seeing in the men’s game men’s it should be placed upon a pedestal.
I think we also need to move away from the idea that just because someone doesn’t watch it must mean they’re against it or bigoted or whatever. It’s not helpful, sometimes we have to accept that just because someone likes one version of something, they’ll instantly like them all…
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I looked at doing my badges and working my way up but it is very expensive and the timings of courses do not allow you to work a normal job alongside working towards that next level of coaching (football I'm specifically talking about) I ended up jacking it all in
England take a early lead with a good shot from James. .
I didn’t see it, but let me guess, aided by lamentable goalkeeping? It’s usually the Achilles heel of the women’s game, from what I’ve seen. Although I don’t doubt that Reece James’ sister is a good player, I’m sure she is.
If that’s Keira Walsh’s ACL, it’s a huge blow for her and England. She’s our best player.
I read two things recently that were really interesting. The first said that basically these injuries are far more prevalent in the women’s game and will continue often. The second thing I read was that apparently the game is inherently sexist because the women wear boots designed for men, and these are causing the injuries!
I read two things recently that were really interesting. The first said that basically these injuries are far more prevalent in the women’s game and will continue often. The second thing I read was that apparently the game is inherently sexist because the women wear boots designed for men, and these are causing the injuries!
Discuss.
On your second point, is there a proven scientific difference between the structure of female and male feet?
On your second point, is there a proven scientific difference between the structure of female and male feet?
In my youth I was one of Lincolnshire’s most renowned and revered foot models (Wynsors, Clarks, Norris The Rubberman). I still dip my toe in the foot fetish pool.
Differences between male and female feet include:
- size - the hairy orbs of a man and hip mechanics mean that no tails tend to have a shorter stride and narrower gait - tails are more prone to strike and leave the ground with a flatter foot. Women are more likely to have more pressure and greater forces exerted on the outside of the foot and therefore, potentially less stability on the whole leg and foot blancmange - mens feet are disgusting -Steves Livingstones had the softest soles of any 90s Town player
James’ goal was outstanding. She bent it from distance into the corner.
Her first England start. No keeper would have saved it.
England vulnerable to fast counterattacks. Denmark had 3 good chances in 5 minutes. Better attacking teams will cause our defence even more problems. Experienced players gave the ball away causing most of the counterattacks.
Walsh injury is s massive blow. She is the key to everything. There is no ready replacement for her role. The only effective deputy was in the provisional squad. She was sent home.
The injury was mainly caused by the very dry pitch. She caught her foot in the ground, When Laura James scored she did a slide on the grass. Or tried to - the ground stopped her and she fell over.
Watch the goal on the news or highlights. And the fall after the goal.
James’ goal was outstanding. She bent it from distance into the corner.
Her first England start. No keeper would have saved it.
England vulnerable to fast counterattacks. Denmark had 3 good chances in 5 minutes. Better attacking teams will cause our defence even more problems. Experienced players gave the ball away causing most of the counterattacks.
Walsh injury is s massive blow. She is the key to everything. There is no ready replacement for her role. The only effective deputy was in the provisional squad. She was sent home.
The injury was mainly caused by the very dry pitch. She caught her foot in the ground, When Laura James scored she did a slide on the grass. Or tried to - the ground stopped her and she fell over.
Watch the goal on the news or highlights. And the fall after the goal.
James looks a real player - took her goal very well. Only 21, too.
I'm not worried about us going forward - with James, Toone, Russo, Kelly, Hemp, England and maybe Daly we've got plenty of options up top. I am worried about our defence. If we were to play a USA or Germany I could see them ripping us apart.
James’ goal was outstanding. She bent it from distance into the corner.
Her first England start. No keeper would have saved it.
England vulnerable to fast counterattacks. Denmark had 3 good chances in 5 minutes. Better attacking teams will cause our defence even more problems. Experienced players gave the ball away causing most of the counterattacks.
Walsh injury is s massive blow. She is the key to everything. There is no ready replacement for her role. The only effective deputy was in the provisional squad. She was sent home.
The injury was mainly caused by the very dry pitch. She caught her foot in the ground, When Laura James scored she did a slide on the grass. Or tried to - the ground stopped her and she fell over.
Watch the goal on the news or highlights. And the fall after the goal.
Her pass in the Euro final, which bisected Germany's defence to set up our equaliser, was sublime. Yes, a massive blow to lose her. Best wishes for a speedy recovery Keira.
Lauren James again! Cannot stop scoring classy goals . Has the skill of her brother Reece James. I don’t think she was even picked for the Euro Squad last year.
6-1 and a brilliant team performance. And by the manager with her tactical changes. James denied a hat-trick controversially. 3 brilliant goals if it stood.
I actually saw a little bit of the second half. The 5th English goal came after an absolutely classic member-up by the Chinese keeper. Nice, volleyed finish for the goal from James that I saw as well.
On that performance and with those eliminations, we’ve got a great chance. It will have made potential opponents sit up and take note. James is on fire, and looks a real player to me. A potential tournament winner.
On that performance and with those eliminations, we’ve got a great chance. It will have made potential opponents sit up and take note. James is on fire, and looks a real player to me. A potential tournament winner.
Sweden play the USA in the last 16, too, so at least one more of the big guns will be knocked out next round.
With Germany crashing out overnight England have about as easy a route to the Final as you could ever ask for.
We were also going to be in the weaker half of the draw as one half of the draw comes from Groups A, C, E & G and the other half in made up of Groups B, D, F and H. But our path to the Final has been made easier by Brazil, Canada and Germany all failing to get out of their group into our half of the draw.
Nigeria (World Ranked 40th) in the Round of 16 followed by either Colombia (25th) or Jamaica (43rd) in the Quarter-Final. Then a Semi-Final against one of France (5th), Australia (10th), Denmark (13th) or Morocco (72nd)
England are currently ranked 4th, although this is a bit false as England hosted Euro 2022 and missed out on ranking points from not having to qualify. That would have provided England just enough possible ranking points to be ranked 1st if we had qualified for euro 2022 with a 100% record.
Much worse than Beckham's which was a meaningless waft of the leg and should never have been a red card. In the days of VAR, that stamp was beyond mindless. She's believed the hype too much and got stroppy when she was being kept out of the game.
It will take a remarkable performance to get through now and Nigeria have played really well to this point.
Really foolish decision that she will regret forever. It’ll be hard for England to prevail without her now, so she’s let her team mates down today and for the semi if we get there. Nigeria look incredibly fit and physically strong without having much threat.
Looks like the rest of the world have quickly caught up to the tournament favourites.
I won’t pretend to have watched the tournament with the same interest I would have for the men’s alternative, but from the odd game I have seen the standard looks to be immeasurably better than it was even 5 or 6 years ago.
As you suggest, the gap between the top nations and the so-called lesser ones has closed. Nigeria are 40+ in the world and look technically decent, very well organised and incredibly athletic. It’s not a terrible watch by any means.
One thing you can say is that we've got a few of our best players missing due to injury. Possibly the same for some of the other contenders, but Nigeria certainly look to be a pretty decent team. I expect a lot of their players will play in the professional leagues in Europe, so not a surprise that they are at a high standard as well.
Got to be England going out on penalties hasn't it?
It's what we do.
Women’s ‘keepers get their fair share of stick, some of it understandably so, but Mary Earps in the England goal is a very capable shot stopper for someone 5ft 8” in stature.
Not sure we deserved that over the 120 minutes but will obvs take it.
Sympathise with Lauren James. Silly heat of moment stuff in a tense match, it's a split second reaction. Course it was daft, but it was hardly a Cantona kick.
Can't see Fifa not extending the ban though... be great if it was only one match, but a deliberate stamp is likely going to be upgraded to 3 matches.
Not sure we deserved that over the 120 minutes but will obvs take it.
Sympathise with Lauren James. Silly heat of moment stuff in a tense match, it's a split second reaction. Course it was daft, but it was hardly a Cantona kick.
Can't see Fifa not extending the ban though... be great if it was only one match, but a deliberate stamp is likely going to be upgraded to 3 matches.
We certainly didn't deserve it. Out worked all game. No sympathy for James. Unprofessional and petulant. That is her tournament done.
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Not sure we deserved that over the 120 minutes but will obvs take it.
Sympathise with Lauren James. Silly heat of moment stuff in a tense match, it's a split second reaction. Course it was daft, but it was hardly a Cantona kick.
Can't see Fifa not extending the ban though... be great if it was only one match, but a deliberate stamp is likely going to be upgraded to 3 matches.
Why sympathise, I bet you were baying for blood when someone did it on McKeown but ref didn't spot it at the time (player was banned afterwards) it's killing me that I can't remember who they played for, might have been Cheltenham?
Why sympathise, I bet you were baying for blood when someone did it on McKeown but ref didn't spot it at the time (player was banned afterwards) it's killing me that I can't remember who they played for, might have been Cheltenham?
Brazen hypocrisy is part and parcel of being a football fan, isn’t it?
(and Danny Wright of Cheltenham is who you are referring to)
Why sympathise, I bet you were baying for blood when someone did it on McKeown but ref didn't spot it at the time (player was banned afterwards) it's killing me that I can't remember who they played for, might have been Cheltenham?
Well yeah, someone does it to one of your teams and you do bay for blood, cos that gets you the advantage. Would have had no problem if the Nigeria players had made a huge deal of it to try and influence decision (altho with VAR its less necessary)
But in my late teens/early 20s I've certainly made bigger mistakes through losing my cool and made daft split second decisions, both on and off the pitch. I'm sure most here have too. Its easy done in a competitive environment, which is why it does happen relatively frequently. Footballers aren't some different species.
But in my late teens/early 20s I've certainly made bigger mistakes through losing my cool and made daft split second decisions, both on and off the pitch. I'm sure most here have too. Its easy done in a competitive environment, which is why it does happen relatively frequently. Footballers aren't some different species.
Haven't we all, but your mistakes (I'm assuming) weren't played out in front of c50 000 in the stadium, several million on the TV and now VAR (mine certainly weren't).
Footballers are not a different species but they have to know that they won't get away with a sly dig like you or I would at Bradley on a windswept Sunday morning. This may be another factor that separates the elite players from the rest, their ability to resist their urge to give an opponent a slap or sly kick.
I can't help but see similarities between the incident yesterday and Beckham kicking out at Simeone in the men's world cup years ago. Let's hope that Ms James learns from it like Beckham did because she looks a bit special. If England do go on to win it she'll have to sit in the stand watching when she knows she could have been on the pitch making herself a legend.
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Haven't we all, but your mistakes (I'm assuming) weren't played out in front of c50 000 in the stadium, several million on the TV and now VAR (mine certainly weren't).
Footballers are not a different species but they have to know that they won't get away with a sly dig like you or I would at Bradley on a windswept Sunday morning. This may be another factor that separates the elite players from the rest, their ability to resist their urge to give an opponent a slap or sly kick.
I can't help but see similarities between the incident yesterday and Beckham kicking out at Simeone in the men's world cup years ago. Let's hope that Ms James learns from it like Beckham did because she looks a bit special. If England do go on to win it she'll have to sit in the stand watching when she knows she could have been on the pitch making herself a legend.
Am I right in thinking that a decision on the length of her ban will be decided after we play Columbia? If that is the case then that seems so biased and almost a plan to ensure England find it harder to progress any further if we win. If the officials thought it was severe enough to warrant a three match ban then that could have been decided in the time since the incident and not wait until the outcome of our game against Columbia.
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Am I right in thinking that a decision on the length of her ban will be decided after we play Columbia? If that is the case then that seems so biased and almost a plan to ensure England find it harder to progress any further if we win. If the officials thought it was severe enough to warrant a three match ban then that could have been decided in the time since the incident and not wait until the outcome of our game against Columbia.
Working sports camp tomorrow at the local rugby club. We've been given permission to put the game on the big screen for the children (and adults) that want to watch it, looking forward to it.
A belter to equalise for the Aussies (though a taller keeper would have saved it), but good work from Hemp to give us the lead again. I like her as a player - very direct, pacy, always giving the opposition defence a headache.
I really enjoy the woman's football it is a different breed from mens ....doesn't have the feigning of life threatening injuries so much and is quite quick in turn over , not so much square balls across the back ....... but it also does seem to disappoint in the quality of headers ...... often seem weak or go up in air more than direct . and unfortunately i am working Sunday so wont be able to go out to watch /celebrate like I did for euro final
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All the team were excellent. Hemp is incredible. She said to be a top footballer she needed to improve her strength. She certainly did that.
Russo is clinical when shooting. Russo and Hemp are a great, hardworking partnership.
For the Kerr goal we lost possession high up the pitch. Having Bright isolated against 2 players is poor. Kerr had a good option to pass to her left and they would probably have scored.
She took the harder option, shot from distance and scored.
For our 3rd goal Hemp was driving forward and had similar options. She had the simple, expected pass to her left. Like Kerr, she chose the more difficult option and threaded a pass through to Russo. Another clinical finish! 😀😇
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Thought the ref had a stinker - there were periods where it looked like Australia could kick lumps out of England with no worries while England only had to make contact with an Australian and it was a free kick. There was one particular challenge in the first half on Daly that was borderline aggravated assault, I suspect that she was influenced by a (understandably) partisan crowd.
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It's passable for me though will never be like the men's game. Quite enjoy the women's tennis though and athletics . Similarly there's some cracking women's boxing fights though which I really enjoyed watching on DAZN notably Katie Taylor v Chantelle Cameron.
Had first half on in background while working but watched 2nd half over lunch. 3 good goals but felt England were a bit pedestrian at times with their tapping it around at the back and didn't really push players forward in 2nd half till Aussies had scored. Worked in the end and disappointed I am helping wife at a wedding on Sunday so at best will only get to watch it on my mobile
In 1966 when I was 18. I saw England win the world cup.
Now I am 75 I can feel it in my blood I am going to see the women win it again for us on Sunday.
Come on you lioness's !!!!!!!!!
I was 20 and watched it with a German couple in my house. The couple were tourists who had stopped at my Aunts Cafe, where my Mother also worked, and asked if they knew where they could watch the final, and my Mother sent them to our house. It was quite an interesting afternoon.
In 1966 when I was 18. I saw England win the world cup.
Now I am 75 I can feel it in my blood I am going to see the women win it again for us on Sunday.
Come on you lioness's !!!!!!!!!
“It”? Do you honestly see it as being “It”?! I mean, fair enough, but I don’t. Fair play to them, they can only beat what’s in front of them, but when you and I decided as children to dedicate our lives to football, ALL women would roll their eyes and dismiss football as being idiotic. Which is IS, I suppose!
Women’s football is not for me, it’s the wagon to jump on right now, but the girls winning this will in no way make up for the men’s team (‘England’, as they used to be called) not winning it.
“This” or “that” will never do it for me, but good luck to them. I DO dread having to hear all the comparisons on Sunday afternoon when they win, though.
I know I’ll get near to 100% red crosses for this, but I’ve said it now.
“It”? Do you honestly see it as being “It”?! I mean, fair enough, but I don’t. Fair play to them, they can only beat what’s in front of them, but when you and I decided as children to dedicate our lives to football, ALL women would roll their eyes and dismiss football as being idiotic. Which is IS, I suppose!
Women’s football is not for me, it’s the wagon to jump on right now, but the girls winning this will in no way make up for the men’s team (‘England’, as they used to be called) not winning it.
“This” or “that” will never do it for me, but good luck to them. I DO dread having to hear all the comparisons on Sunday afternoon when they win, though.
I know I’ll get near to 100% red crosses for this, but I’ve said it now.
I was 19 years old when we won the World Cup. Being a lazy git i watched it in my Jim jams with my dad. No idea why but didn’t go out to celebrate the win with several sherberts!
“It”? Do you honestly see it as being “It”?! I mean, fair enough, but I don’t. Fair play to them, they can only beat what’s in front of them, but when you and I decided as children to dedicate our lives to football, ALL women would roll their eyes and dismiss football as being idiotic. Which is IS, I suppose!
Women’s football is not for me, it’s the wagon to jump on right now, but the girls winning this will in no way make up for the men’s team (‘England’, as they used to be called) not winning it.
“This” or “that” will never do it for me, but good luck to them. I DO dread having to hear all the comparisons on Sunday afternoon when they win, though.
I know I’ll get near to 100% red crosses for this, but I’ve said it now.
I think the issue is that the moment you say you don’t watch it, you’re called sexist, misogynistic or whatever. It could just be that you don’t want to and has intercourse all to do with it being because women are playing. Does the same thing happen in tennis? Equine sports? I dunno?
I’ve not seen a thing of the World Cup, mainly because of work but also because I’m just not arsed, in the same way I don’t always watch Match of the Day, because I’m not arsed.
Personally, this obsession to compare women’s football to men’s football all the time is detrimental to the women’s game, men’s football has a hundred years and millions of pound of investment compared to the women’s game, of course it’s better. Much like the premier league being better than other top flight leagues.
I didn’t realise they’d gotten to the final until I saw an email offering me the chance to buy tickets. Fair play to them and I wish them well, I suspect they’ll go on to win it and I hope they do.
'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
We've not been at our best throughout the whole tournament, and we've had to scrap and battle through periods against good opposition. We have been clinical, though, and we've certainly shown the most bottle out of any team, imo. To put in that performance in front of 70-odd thousand Aussies at their own World Cup was pretty impressive.
Be interesting to see what part James plays in the final, now her ban is over. Personally I'd start with the same team and and have her on the bench.
We've not been at our best throughout the whole tournament, and we've had to scrap and battle through periods against good opposition. We have been clinical, though, and we've certainly shown the most bottle out of any team, imo. To put in that performance in front of 70-odd thousand Aussies at their own World Cup was pretty impressive.
Be interesting to see what part James plays in the final, now her ban is over. Personally I'd start with the same team and and have her on the bench.
I think the issue is that the moment you say you don’t watch it, you’re called sexist, misogynistic or whatever. It could just be that you don’t want to and has intercourse all to do with it being because women are playing. Does the same thing happen in tennis? Equine sports? I dunno?
I’ve not seen a thing of the World Cup, mainly because of work but also because I’m just not arsed, in the same way I don’t always watch Match of the Day, because I’m not arsed.
Personally, this obsession to compare women’s football to men’s football all the time is detrimental to the women’s game, men’s football has a hundred years and millions of pound of investment compared to the women’s game, of course it’s better. Much like the premier league being better than other top flight leagues.
I didn’t realise they’d gotten to the final until I saw an email offering me the chance to buy tickets. Fair play to them and I wish them well, I suspect they’ll go on to win it and I hope they do.
The comparison to the mens game is sadly inevitable. It should be judged on its own merits. We actually judge mens football in a similar way when people compare Premiersh*t football to that played in the lower leagues. I've lost count of the number of Grimbarians who support Premiersh*t teams because in their words " town are sh*t". Every sport should be judged on its own merits regardless of gender participation or the level it is played at
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Personally, this obsession to compare women’s football to men’s football all the time is detrimental to the women’s game, men’s football has a hundred years and millions of pound of investment compared to the women’s game, of course it’s better..
Football in many ways is the modern day equivalent of tribes . We touched on this on a Sociology course . When man was first evolving one tribe often distinguished itself from another via face paints . Football shirts are the modern day equivalent. Likewise man as evolution has occured often went to war for greed but also defense . As humanity progressed and started fighting less sport became that substitute . Similarly on our psychology course there's the biological base as well. Men have more testosterone ( linked to increased aggression) and bodies on average tend to be stronger than women's who are built for childrearing. Having said that the onset of women's football is a good thing I think . The success of the women's football will hopefully inspire more females to take up sport and lead a healthier existence.
Football in many ways is the modern day equivalent of tribes . We touched on this on a Sociology course . When man was first evolving one tribe often distinguished itself from another via face paints . Football shirts are the modern day equivalent. Likewise man as evolution has occured often went to war for greed but also defense . As humanity progressed and started fighting less sport became that substitute . Similarly on our psychology course there's the biological base as well. Men have more testosterone ( linked to increased aggression) and bodies on average tend to be stronger than women's who are built for childrearing. Having said that the onset of women's football is a good thing I think . The success of the women's football will hopefully inspire more females to take up sport and lead a healthier existence.
A subject that is discussed in the book The Naked Ape by Desmond Morris, which I read about 40 years ago.
If he doesn't mean to cause offence, why is he writing for the Telegraph?
(I don't think there should be a Bank Holiday due to any sporting success, incidentally, no more so than for Royal weddings, funerals and the like - though we should certainly have more regular, scheduled Bank Holidays).
“It”? Do you honestly see it as being “It”?! I mean, fair enough, but I don’t. Fair play to them, they can only beat what’s in front of them, but when you and I decided as children to dedicate our lives to football, ALL women would roll their eyes and dismiss football as being idiotic. Which is IS, I suppose!
Women’s football is not for me, it’s the wagon to jump on right now, but the girls winning this will in no way make up for the men’s team (‘England’, as they used to be called) not winning it.
“This” or “that” will never do it for me, but good luck to them. I DO dread having to hear all the comparisons on Sunday afternoon when they win, though.
I know I’ll get near to 100% red crosses for this, but I’ve said it now.
Yeah, the things is though, nobody cares if you don't like it - just don't watch it. There's no need to share with us all the fact that you personally don't like it. Every thread we've ever had on the Fishy about Women's football has people that absolutely must tell us that "it's just not the same for them" and "they've no interest".
I've no interest in Eastenders. So if I saw a thread called "Eastenders" I would ignore it and leave it to those who wanted to talk about that programme. I wouldn't go into the thread just to tell everyone that I absolutely do not like Eastenders.
This joke from Ricky Gervais springs to mind...
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I think the issue is that the moment you say you don’t watch it, you’re called sexist, misogynistic or whatever.
Are you? I'm not sure this actually happens. Maybe on Twitter, but not on here, and not at my workplace or in any situation I know. Some people watch it, some people don't. I'm genuinely not sure anyone cares that much about whether Bob from accounts has been watching Birmingham City but hasn't tuned into the Women's World Cup.
I will say that my memory is not what it was and the reference to football fans could have been in the follow up book The Human Zoo. Can't remember offhand.
He also wrote a book some years later dedicated to football fans called The Soccer Tribe.
I was 19 years old when we won the World Cup. Being a lazy git i watched it in my Jim jams with my dad. No idea why but didn’t go out to celebrate the win with several sherberts!
Made up for it since though….
I was just coming up to my 2nd birthday. I didn't go out for a few sherberts either. I might have had a dib dab though.
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Yeah, the things is though, nobody cares if you don't like it - just don't watch it. There's no need to share with us all the fact that you personally don't like it. Every thread we've ever had on the Fishy about Women's football has people that absolutely must tell us that "it's just not the same for them" and "they've no interest".
I've no interest in Eastenders. So if I saw a thread called "Eastenders" I would ignore it and leave it to those who wanted to talk about that programme. I wouldn't go into the thread just to tell everyone that I absolutely do not like Eastenders.
This joke from Ricky Gervais springs to mind...
Are you? I'm not sure this actually happens. Maybe on Twitter, but not on here, and not at my workplace or in any situation I know. Some people watch it, some people don't. I'm genuinely not sure anyone cares that much about whether Bob from accounts has been watching Birmingham City but hasn't tuned into the Women's World Cup.
Going to use another comedian...
You’re missing my point - I don’t watch it.
I’ll remember in future not to comment on this forum if I disagree with the original poster. A great forum that would become if we all did the same.
I am not in any way saying it should be taken off screens. I just think the whole band wagon jumping from all the happy clappers is fake.
Making comparisons between men's and women's football is a ridiculous thing to do. Yes it is the same sport, but the physical differences, the anatomical differences, and the pace of the game are just not comparable to men's football.
It is perfectly acceptable to recognise these differences in the game though, and if this means you have absolutely no interest in watching women's football because the differences doesn't deliver what you see in men's football, then that is fine. But lets make sure we are comparing apples with apples hey.
Someone's lack of interest in women's football does not in any way decry that women's football is still a sport, played by extremely talented professional footballers, and that it still delivers a highly entertaining spectacle for those that appreciate and enjoy it. So it becomes a bit grinding when some people are flippant and dismissive of women's football. It comes across as being a bit rude and disrespectful to those that are fans or players of women's football. Especially since the comparisons aren't being made by fans or players of women's football, and they are not claiming that the game is entirely the same as men's football.
If I was to pinpoint a bit of perspective, I would probably use the analogy of some fans of Premier League football being disrespectful towards the quality of the football being played by teams in lower league or non-league. I've heard it said "How on earth do you watch this football every week?" - Well yes there is a distinct and massive difference in quality between what is played in the Premier League compared to what we see at Blundell Park, but that doesn't mean that our level of football still isn't massively entertaining and enjoyable for those of us that choose to support a lower league club. And it certainly doesn't mean that our professional players are regarded as any less of a professional sports person, just because they play in EFL2. Well the same goes for the women's teams and their professionals too.
England women are doing incredibly well. They are representing our country and they are doing a fine job of it too.
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From the bits I've seen, the standard is very good. Light years from what was on show from the England Women's team only a decade or so ago. It really shows the difference between the amateur and professional game because the women are now so much more athletic and skilful than they once were. We're only really just catching up with the likes of the US and Germany who have had professional leagues for much longer than us.
In some regards, the fact that the women aren't as big and powerful or as quick as the men leads to more open games as there seems to be a bit more space available on the pitch to run and pass the ball into. Nigeria put the press on us to a degree, but I'd argue a good number of our players were out of sorts as well.
The final will be interesting to watch because the Spanish team are likely to be as good in possession as the men's team usually are. How will we cope when we're not the ones with the ball at our feet all the time? Should be a real battle.
I'll happily watch the Final but it will be like my interest in other sports such as cricket or rugby. I'll watch the England team play and enjoy it, but I wouldn't think of watching a domestic game.
Making comparisons between men's and women's football is a ridiculous thing to do. Yes it is the same sport, but the physical differences, the anatomical differences, and the pace of the game are just not comparable to men's football.
It is perfectly acceptable to recognise these differences in the game though, and if this means you have absolutely no interest in watching women's football because the differences doesn't deliver what you see in men's football, then that is fine. But lets make sure we are comparing apples with apples hey.
Someone's lack of interest in women's football does not in any way decry that women's football is still a sport, played by extremely talented professional footballers, and that it still delivers a highly entertaining spectacle for those that appreciate and enjoy it. So it becomes a bit grinding when some people are flippant and dismissive of women's football. It comes across as being a bit rude and disrespectful to those that are fans or players of women's football. Especially since the comparisons aren't being made by fans or players of women's football, and they are not claiming that the game is entirely the same as men's football.
If I was to pinpoint a bit of perspective, I would probably use the analogy of some fans of Premier League football being disrespectful towards the quality of the football being played by teams in lower league or non-league. I've heard it said "How on earth do you watch this football every week?" - Well yes there is a distinct and massive difference in quality between what is played in the Premier League compared to what we see at Blundell Park, but that doesn't mean that our level of football still isn't massively entertaining and enjoyable for those of us that choose to support a lower league club. And it certainly doesn't mean that our professional players are regarded as any less of a professional sports person, just because they play in EFL2. Well the same goes for the women's teams and their professionals too.
England women are doing incredibly well. They are representing our country and they are doing a fine job of it too.
Excellent post Dale! I find the whole nonsense about ‘they’d get beaten by a men’s non league team’ so annoying. An Olympic medalist like Keely Hodgkinson would get beaten over 800m by a decent U17 boy. It’s just biology. I don’t get why some people feel the urge to complain that women’s sport is inferior- it’s just different. I don’t know much about women’s football but watched England at the Euros and the World Cup and enjoy it as much as watching the men’s team.
Excellent post Dale! I find the whole nonsense about ‘they’d get beaten by a men’s non league team’ so annoying. An Olympic medalist like Keely Hodgkinson would get beaten over 800m by a decent U17 boy. It’s just biology. I don’t get why some people feel the urge to complain that women’s sport is inferior- it’s just different. I don’t know much about women’s football but watched England at the Euros and the World Cup and enjoy it as much as watching the men’s team.
I agree with you of course (Hodgkinson is a star, by the way…) but I think it’s the “the girls can do it, why can’t the boys?“ that annoys me. When the men get to a major finals, it is tough because nearly every team is tough opposition. Aldi mentioned it - the men’s game has a 100 year headstart on the women’s. For England to win the men’s World Cup is pretty much an impossibility nowadays.
And here his the problem; the lionesses SHOULD win this World Cup. They have the biggest budget (possibly behind the USA, I’m unsure….), the best domestic league, permanent use of the FA’s state of the art facilities at Burton - the likes of Australia and Nigeria don’t have anywhere near that set-up, whereas in the men’s game EVERY country is developed and competitive (no 20-0 wins against Latvia, for example)..
Good luck to them, but if they don’t win then there’s something wrong - they’ve been given a huge leg-up by the authorities.
Slagging off the men’s game for not winning trophies will alienate the women’s game. The lionesses themselves do not do that (they idolise the men’s team) but the general public and press can’t wait to stick the knife into the blokes.
Basically, women’s football is for people who don’t like and never have liked football, and that’s a big shame and unfair on the team.
Making comparisons between men's and women's football is a ridiculous thing to do. Yes it is the same sport, but the physical differences, the anatomical differences, and the pace of the game are just not comparable to men's football.
It is perfectly acceptable to recognise these differences in the game though, and if this means you have absolutely no interest in watching women's football because the differences doesn't deliver what you see in men's football, then that is fine. But lets make sure we are comparing apples with apples hey.
Someone's lack of interest in women's football does not in any way decry that women's football is still a sport, played by extremely talented professional footballers, and that it still delivers a highly entertaining spectacle for those that appreciate and enjoy it. So it becomes a bit grinding when some people are flippant and dismissive of women's football. It comes across as being a bit rude and disrespectful to those that are fans or players of women's football. Especially since the comparisons aren't being made by fans or players of women's football, and they are not claiming that the game is entirely the same as men's football.
If I was to pinpoint a bit of perspective, I would probably use the analogy of some fans of Premier League football being disrespectful towards the quality of the football being played by teams in lower league or non-league. I've heard it said "How on earth do you watch this football every week?" - Well yes there is a distinct and massive difference in quality between what is played in the Premier League compared to what we see at Blundell Park, but that doesn't mean that our level of football still isn't massively entertaining and enjoyable for those of us that choose to support a lower league club. And it certainly doesn't mean that our professional players are regarded as any less of a professional sports person, just because they play in EFL2. Well the same goes for the women's teams and their professionals too.
England women are doing incredibly well. They are representing our country and they are doing a fine job of it too.
I don’t disagree with anything you said and I do want them to win.
Your comment about comparisons is exactly my point, you get those oddballs that watch town, some that don’t who insist on comparing our players to those of say City or Arsenal. It’s poles apart in truth, however, comparing town with Stockport makes sense, same league etc.
I’ve never had an interest or involvement with the women’s game but I’m sure those constant comparisons are a hindrance and frustrating, they probably feel patronising and to some degree, they harm the development. Eventually the women’s game will probably have a position in football that puts it on a level with probably league 1/2 but there’s still a way to go. Ironic though, to some degree that people moan about money and media involvement in men’s football but it’s creeping into the women’s game (I don’t disagree either) and suddenly the women’s national team has success…
This higher than mighty, holier than thou type attitude does nothing for either game though and does alienate the women’s game, in my view. It’s no different to when those boring rugby types bang on about how ‘gentlemanly’ their game is, and all that balderdash. Perhaps there isn’t as much gamesmanship in the women’s game but once larger sums of money creep in and a need to win increases because of bonuses and the likes, it’ll come…
There’s room for both codes and I really do hope they win…
'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
Your comment about comparisons is exactly my point, you get those oddballs that watch town, some that don’t who insist on comparing our players to those of say City or Arsenal. It’s poles apart in truth, however, comparing town with Stockport makes sense, same league etc.
I dont like to call noone a oddball though Aldi. All relative as we all have our flaws.
You can still try to learn from others to try to improve your game or club. This is what the English FA done following disappointment with the national side and started coping the likes of the French and Spanish in having a main footballing centre which helped revitalise their respective national sides. Ive seen lads as well who are just as good if not better than say the likes of Harry Clifton and were wanted by Chelsea in the youth team but couldn't take up the offer for personal reasons. Always think its a huge shame when these lads slip through the net and have done nothing in professional football.
And here his the problem; the lionesses SHOULD win this World Cup. They have the biggest budget (possibly behind the USA, I’m unsure….), the best domestic league, permanent use of the FA’s state of the art facilities at Burton - the likes of Australia and Nigeria don’t have anywhere near that set-up, whereas in the men’s game EVERY country is developed and competitive (no 20-0 wins against Latvia, for example)..
Good luck to them, but if they don’t win then there’s something wrong - they’ve been given a huge leg-up by the authorities.
I don’t think they “should” win the World Cup. They probably “should” reach the last 16, maybe last 8 of major tournaments, but after that there is a group of historically very strong teams. The USA, as you mentioned, but also the likes of France, Canada, Netherlands, Germany, Japan. What this World Cup has shown is that the rest of the world has closed the gap on that top group of teams. There are nowhere near as many complete blowouts at this tournament compared to normal.
Also, why is it “impossible” for the men’s team to win the World Cup? By the logic of your own argument, surely the England men’s team “should” be winning every major tournament as the Premier League is lightyears ahead of any other domestic league, financially. Obviously it’s not that simple.
I agree with you of course (Hodgkinson is a star, by the way…) but I think it’s the “the girls can do it, why can’t the boys?“ that annoys me. When the men get to a major finals, it is tough because nearly every team is tough opposition. Aldi mentioned it - the men’s game has a 100 year headstart on the women’s. For England to win the men’s World Cup is pretty much an impossibility nowadays.
And here his the problem; the lionesses SHOULD win this World Cup. They have the biggest budget (possibly behind the USA, I’m unsure….), the best domestic league, permanent use of the FA’s state of the art facilities at Burton - the likes of Australia and Nigeria don’t have anywhere near that set-up, whereas in the men’s game EVERY country is developed and competitive (no 20-0 wins against Latvia, for example)..
Good luck to them, but if they don’t win then there’s something wrong - they’ve been given a huge leg-up by the authorities.
Slagging off the men’s game for not winning trophies will alienate the women’s game. The lionesses themselves do not do that (they idolise the men’s team) but the general public and press can’t wait to stick the knife into the blokes.
Basically, women’s football is for people who don’t like and never have liked football, and that’s a big shame and unfair on the team.
Hang on, so both the men's and women's game have access to the same facilities, the women therefore must win or something is wrong (your words). You then say "slagging off the mens game for not winning trophies" - yet you are already doing a pre-emptive slagging off of the womens team if they don't win. The men's team has had a huge leg up for years - we are the richest FA in the world, we should be winning things by your argument. When the men's team had the massive leg up 100 years ago, we still didn't win anything, so your argument is a bit poor in my eyes.
The last line is obvious rage bait. Women's football is for people who like football. As people are raised more on different elements, then it becomes more widespread and popular. There was little women's football available a few years ago, now that it is being shown widely, giving access to all, people are beginning to appreciate the sport more. The women's game is different to the men's game - is it the same standard as the men's game? No. Though people go and watch Scunthorpe United and that isn't the same level as the Premier League; hell, it's not even the same level as the National League. Just because something, in your eyers, isn't as good as the level you pereceive to be correct, it doesn't mean it isn't entertaining. And that is what football, and sport is all about. Entertainment. And if you watched the matches as a football fan, I think you would be entertained, though you need to get the chip off your shoulder that women's football = bad football.
I enjoy watching football, I watch whatever team is on Sky, BT or any other channel that I have access to, no matter who is playing. I'll end up watching Nottingham Forest v Sheffield United tonight. Do I have any interest in either team winning? Not at all. Though I'll still watch as I like the entertainment, just like the women's game gives me.
I thought Paddy Power summed it up nicely to be honest.
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Good luck to the Lionesses on Sunday. I've barely watched any of the games, I won't pretend that I know half the players but I'll be cheering them on. Much like how over half the country scream at their TV every other summer and will join in with conversations of 'Will Beckham/Gerrard/Rooney/Kane be fit? despite probably not knowing what colour England play in.
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I've had a quiet week this week so watched a lot of football on the box: Barca v Getafe, 2 European qualifying ties involving Scottish teams and even part of a Welsh league match (which was f**king awful) and the world cup semi.
The England v Australia game was the most entertaining game by some way.
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Not like it would be now cos pubs were not open all day ,blokes drank mild and bitter and didn't have the disposable income of today to spend on booze
Speaking to one of my family who came from Grimsby recently things were often tougher pre war and post war world war 2 . They had to use a outside toilet for one which wasnt easy in the depths of winter. Similarly listening to views of people on a audio cd that had to go and live and work in the workhouse where conditions were tough with the last few closing in 1948. Some hated the thought of going in and sadly hung themselves.
Speaking to one of my family who came from Grimsby recently things were often tougher pre war and post war world war 2 . They had to use a outside toilet for one which wasnt easy in the depths of winter. Similarly listening to views of people on a audio cd that had to go and live and work in the workhouse where conditions were tough with the last few closing in 1948. Some hated the thought of going in and sadly hung themselves.
I never realised an inside toilet was a thing until our slums were demolished and we moved into a council flat in 1963.
In the Hope Street area and many others it was totally normal until the post war slum clearance really took effect.
I found summer worse than the winter with spiders and flies making the outside toilet a mini adventure.
I never realised an inside toilet was a thing until our slums were demolished and we moved into a council flat in 1963.
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That was quite late 1963!. Whenever I've been abroad you occasionally have to use a toilet which is literally a hole in the ground. Saw this in Israel in 2018 for one. Didn't like it at all so feel for you having to endure sanitation conditions like that till the early 1960s.
The Fishy must be the only place in the world where a debate about a World Cup happening in Australian in 2023 can involve 1960’s Grimbarian outside toilets.
The Fishy must be the only place in the world where a debate about a World Cup happening in Australian in 2023 can involve 1960’s Grimbarian outside toilets.
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I note Queen Leticia and her daughter princess Sophia from the Spanish royal family are traveling over to support their women in tomorrows final . Would of been nice for the English girls to get a bit of royal backing but sadly no be it king Charles or prince William. Quite like Prince William as a person and it's a shame he couldn't make it as president of the FA.
Bronze has made at least 3 bad errors in this tournament. Hope Hurst is not watched with 2 subs on at HT.
Love the story with organised women’s football banned until 1971. Women players not allowed to use changing rooms after games. One player had to wash her mud off in a duck pond, sharing it with the ducks.
If the match was at BP she could use the sink to wash the varnish off. Don’t suppose any other stadia are as advanced as ours 😉
The wife was going away for a girly weekend. I jokingly remarked 'I don't know whether to spend it watching porn or watching football' 'you may as well spend it watching porn' she replied That's understanding darling what makes you say that? I asked
She said 'Well you already know how to play football'
Not enough of the England team have been on their games today - too many of the players not finding their passes and giving it away too cheaply. Only real chance is to nick a late equaliser and perhaps see what penalties bring.
Thank fook that's over, sick of hearing about comparisons with 66 and all the other balderdash.
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Not enough of the England team have been on their games today - too many of the players not finding their passes and giving it away too cheaply. Only real chance is to nick a late equaliser and perhaps see what penalties bring.
Bronze is the female version of Kyle Walker. A great footballer, but has a mistake in her and her decision making at times is atrocious.
Spain more than edged it. Looked a level above England to me and totally did a job on us. Wasn't sure if we were really slow and ponderous on the ball because of a lack of movement and options or just that they were so much better on the ball than us. Probably a combination of both.
Spain more than edged it. Looked a level above England to me and totally did a job on us. Wasn't sure if we were really slow and ponderous on the ball because of a lack of movement and options or just that they were so much better on the ball than us. Probably a combination of both.
Would be interesting how the women's Spain team hypothetically would get on against Grimsby men's team. Would give them a game I think.
They'd get hammered by GTFC because the pace and strength differential would be too much to overcome, even if they are better footballers.
I think England can certainly play a lot better but too many having an off day. I doubt that any of the forwards or midfielders will be happy with their performances. In general, I've been impressed with the ball retention of the team during most of the tournament but they fluffed it today - way too many needlessly poor passes whereas Spain barely made a mistake in possession. They also looked a little pacier than us in general, which obviously didn't help.
We've done really well to reach the final, however, so I hope they are proud with what they have achieved.
For me it would be 2-0 possibly 3-0 to Grimsby men's but in parts Spain women likewise English women would give Grimsby's men's team a game in parts . There's some really good womens players on show . I've seen the women world cup in parts but this was the first full game I've seen. Very enjoyable Sunday morning watching that so respect to the women's game 👏.
For me it would be 2-0 possibly 3-0 to Grimsby men's but in parts Spain women likewise English women would give Grimsby's men's team a game in parts . There's some really good womens players on show . I've seen the women world cup in parts but this was the first full game I've seen. Very enjoyable Sunday morning watching that so respect to the women's game 👏.
The womens team would get absolute smashed by a men's team. The link below highlights that the USA Women's team, multiple world cup winners, were beaten by FC Dallas Under 15's by 5 goals to 2.
The womens team would get absolute smashed by a men's team. The link below highlights that the USA Women's team, multiple world cup winners, were beaten by FC Dallas Under 15's by 5 goals to 2.
Aye theres a massive difference in quality and physicality. No disrespect to the women, but i’m sure town would put 6/7 past them
One on one though like we use to play in the park as kids eg three and in ( whoever gets to three goes through ) I reckon some of the Spanish and English girls would beat some of the Grimsby players though eg Putellas ,Bonmatti or Russo ?.😉🙂.
One on one though like we use to play in the park as kids eg three and in ( whoever gets to three goes through ) I reckon some of the Spanish and English girls would beat some of the Grimsby players though eg Putellas ,Bonmatti or Russo ?.😉🙂.
I'd stick to believing in Jesus.
It's more probable than Spain women beating GTFC at footy.
Is football the only sport that gets the male/female comparison treatment?
Of course the men would dominate. Physically they are simply bigger, stronger and faster. That's the whole reason men play against men and women against women.
Can't we just enjoy each version of the game for what they are rather than degrade the efforts of the Lionesses by comparing them?
I've watched very little of this tournament, nor previous ones, but the standard dramatically improves with each one. The first half of the final especially was fantastic entertainment.
It's more probable than Spain women beating GTFC at footy.
It's nice though Ginny that womens sport is advancing be it in football,tennis or boxing. I note for one tennis especially has made great strides in terms of dealing with sexist attitudes from yesteryear with Billie Jean King and a few others being trailblazers to the point now where equal pay is given in the major tennis opens as your most likely aware.
Interesting link. I can relate a bit having played tennis myself for the school ,local area and club. I found in the mixed doubles the females I played with struggled with the power side of the game especially on serve . Males less so.
Thing is though, I'm not sure what stating the obvious (that men are physically stronger and faster than women) achieves?
We know. We know that 100m men's record is much faster than the women's. We know that men's teams will beat women's teams, and that there is a huge difference.
But so what? What's the end point of all this? That women shouldn't play sport? Pack up and go home? That people shouldn't enjoy watching women's sports?
It's like saying there's no point in men's featherweight boxing fights cos the heavyweight champs would destroy them. Yet nobody does say that.
Its just a bit tedious tbh.
Anyhow, Spain outplayed us and managed the game well, including infuriating shithousery to slow the game down and destroy any momentum.
Thing is though, I'm not sure what stating the obvious (that men are physically stronger and faster than women) achieves?
We know. We know that 100m men's record is much faster than the women's. We know that men's teams will beat women's teams, and that there is a huge difference.
But so what? What's the end point of all this? That women shouldn't play sport? Pack up and go home? That people shouldn't enjoy watching women's sports? .
Fair points raised. Talking to a lad who'd been involved in pro sports about this the other week and he questioned whether women should get paid the same in tennis as the men's do. I suppose when you analyse it women if they reach their maximum level on average will never beat the men's eg tennis if the same principles apply and should equal pay be given in view of that?.
The argument against women tennis players being paid equally should surely be the fact that they don't play anywhere near as many games?
It really doesn't make sense in the modern era. No reason that professional women tennis players shouldn't be fit enough to play 5 sets if required. It seems almost a throwback that it is seen as acceptable for them to play no more than three sets. It's not as if women athletes run 60% of the distance for a marathon.
Agree 5 sets for tennis. In athletics women have increasingly taken on newer, tougher events or distances. Women do the steeplechase, which is very tough.
The argument against women tennis players being paid equally should surely be the fact that they don't play anywhere near as many games?
It really doesn't make sense in the modern era. No reason that professional women tennis players shouldn't be fit enough to play 5 sets if required. It seems almost a throwback that it is seen as acceptable for them to play no more than three sets. It's not as if women athletes run 60% of the distance for a marathon.
But is it the fitness to do 5 sets that they should be judged on , The fight for equal prize money at tournaments began when Wimbledon and such was dominated by men with massive serves that couldnt be returned and the matches became repetitive and boring ....yet the women was serving up competitive tight matches that where entertaining and exciting so it was the womens matches drawing the TV viewers etc
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I’d say I’ve seen some technical execution of skills and techniques in this tournament as good or better than many pro men’s teams I’ve seen at various levels. The Spanish goal that won the tournament was exceptionally well executed, and Lauren James has scored some fine goals too. I think the elevation in standards in this aspect has been rapid.
Top women's tennis players would love to play 5 sets for equal money if given the chance. They haven't said they don't want to. They've never had the opportunity.
But is it the fitness to do 5 sets that they should be judged on , The fight for equal prize money at tournaments began when Wimbledon and such was dominated by men with massive serves that couldnt be returned and the matches became repetitive and boring ....yet the women was serving up competitive tight matches that where entertaining and exciting so it was the womens matches drawing the TV viewers etc
Dont care if they get paid more than men or peanuts for playing, but watching 2 women stood behind the baseline grunting and groaning (don't go there people) hitting half volleys to each other till one of them miscalculates by a few inches (most games) is not exciting.
Top women's tennis players would love to play 5 sets for equal money of given the chance. They haven't said they don't want to. They've never had the opportunity.
Watching tennis recently on the BBC via Wimbledon they touched on this issue about this ever happening in the future?.
Dont care if they get paid more than men or peanuts for playing, but watching 2 women stood behind the baseline grunting and groaning (don't go there people) hitting half volleys to each other till one of them miscalculates by a few inches (most games) is not exciting.
Thing is Madeley tennis I find is more demanding than football especially mentally. Noone to blame but yourself if things go wrong. I get it that some tennis matches can go on very long and as much as I love the sport I often have to get up and take a break during TV coverage . If you have Netflix check out breakpoint which is a series on the sport looking at how players get on. Decent show that gives you a insight into what it takes to get to the top and how competitive things can really get.
Last Season - according to Statista Research; WPL; 6961. MPL: Man U. 73k.down to 32.5K.Leicester. Coupled with the sponsorship & other vast income in the mens game - the sums don't currently add up for equal pay for women . Simples. Enjoyed the Women's World Cup.
It's nice though Ginny that womens sport is advancing be it in football,tennis or boxing. I note for one tennis especially has made great strides in terms of dealing with sexist attitudes from yesteryear with Billie Jean King and a few others being trailblazers to the point now where equal pay is given in the major tennis opens as your most likely aware.
If the male dominated English FA hadn't banned women from playing professional football in FA affiliated facilities back in 1921 then it's quite possible that the women's football structure and level would be much higher now.
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Last Season - according to Statista Research; WPL; 6961. MPL: Man U. 73k.down to 32.5K.Leicester. Coupled with the sponsorship & other vast income in the mens game - the sums don't currently add up for equal pay for women . Simples. Enjoyed the Women's World Cup.
I think it’s more to do with the game fees given by the FA for playing for England. I have no issue with them being the same, but be careful what you wish for as the men’s team donate theirs to charity……
Interesting what Infantino said though - it’s been a successful tournament as it’s broken even. Says a lot really. I got offered tickets to the women’s final by an official email from the FA and they were probably £30 or something. Obviously I didn’t take it up, but if it was the men’s team I’d pay a grand and get on a plane faster than you can imagine.
If the male dominated English FA hadn't banned women from playing professional football in FA affiliated facilities back in 1921 then it's quite possible that the women's football structure and level would be much higher now.
There was a piece on women's football today on the BBC news at 6. Just as recent as 20 years ago no fan fare or cameras to meet the England ladies coming back from the world cup and in 1995 the England women were given men's football shirts which were too big. Now things have improved immeasurably in the women's game and Iam glad .
There was a piece on women's football today on the BBC news at 6. Just as recent as 20 years ago no fan fare or cameras to meet the England ladies coming back from the world cup and in 1995 the England women were given men's football shirts which were too big. Now things have improved immeasurably in the women's game and Iam glad .
Nike also refused to sell replica Mary Earps shirts because they were concerned they might not make enough profit from them! Amazingly Nike previously paid a considerable sum of money to trans woman Dylan Mulvaney - a TikTok influencer with no sporting expertise - to advertise sports bras.
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You can't force increased funding on any aspect of the game. It's not the responsibility of any business or brand to grow a sport. That's the role of the governing body. As it stands, it's mens football that has more eyes on it and therefore generates more income through TV deals, sponsorship etc. etc. That's come as a result of clever marketing from the Premier League and Sky, regardless of how much we might hate them as organisations and businesses, they've done very, very well for the top level of the game.
From what I can see the WPL are doing a decent job of building their brand, getting better promotion of it and more eyes on it (massively helped by the success of the national team). They've got both national and international TV deals and you would think as the success of the league grows then the revenue from that will increase. As will sponsorship with more eyes and interest on it.
I really hope the Women's game flourishes. I think sport is just great in general. Be it watching, participating or just having a general interest. For too long there has been an attitude that it's just for men/boys, thankfully that's stopping. But trying to force things like Carney is advocating for will do more damage than good. Accept the challenge that the men have got more income and eyes on it, set about making your product that good so you take away eyes and with it income.
You can't force increased funding on any aspect of the game. It's not the responsibility of any business or brand to grow a sport. That's the role of the governing body. As it stands, it's mens football that has more eyes on it and therefore generates more income through TV deals, sponsorship etc. etc. That's come as a result of clever marketing from the Premier League and Sky, regardless of how much we might hate them as organisations and businesses, they've done very, very well for the top level of the game.
From what I can see the WPL are doing a decent job of building their brand, getting better promotion of it and more eyes on it (massively helped by the success of the national team). They've got both national and international TV deals and you would think as the success of the league grows then the revenue from that will increase. As will sponsorship with more eyes and interest on it.
I really hope the Women's game flourishes. I think sport is just great in general. Be it watching, participating or just having a general interest. For too long there has been an attitude that it's just for men/boys, thankfully that's stopping. But trying to force things like Carney is advocating for will do more damage than good. Accept the challenge that the men have got more income and eyes on it, set about making your product that good so you take away eyes and with it income.
Watching Karen Carney on MNF was like a car crash. We all want the sport to progress but she really needs to understand the concept of sponsorship and advertising before going on live TV and making those comments…
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I'm fed up of this wall to wall media bullshit about how Women footballers should be paid the same as the men's game. Compering the two games is like compering a top bottle of Moët to a bottle of someone's home brew sparkling white knocked up in a shed. When the women's game generates anywhere near the mens then these conversations can be had.
In his three stints as Grimsby Town manager spanning over 10 years the club was never relegated and he also guided them to three promotions. Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them. GOD
You can't force increased funding on any aspect of the game. It's not the responsibility of any business or brand to grow a sport. That's the role of the governing body. As it stands, it's mens football that has more eyes on it and therefore generates more income through TV deals, sponsorship etc. etc. That's come as a result of clever marketing from the Premier League and Sky, regardless of how much we might hate them as organisations and businesses, they've done very, very well for the top level of the game.
From what I can see the WPL are doing a decent job of building their brand, getting better promotion of it and more eyes on it (massively helped by the success of the national team). They've got both national and international TV deals and you would think as the success of the league grows then the revenue from that will increase. As will sponsorship with more eyes and interest on it.
I really hope the Women's game flourishes. I think sport is just great in general. Be it watching, participating or just having a general interest. For too long there has been an attitude that it's just for men/boys, thankfully that's stopping. But trying to force things like Carney is advocating for will do more damage than good. Accept the challenge that the men have got more income and eyes on it, set about making your product that good so you take away eyes and with it income.
It’s funny because comments like this are a big part of the reason people take the urine, she thinks she’s saying this groundbreaking thing to improve the image of women’s football when in fact she’s making it worse.
Not much chat about the aftermath of the world cup final ceremony. The Spanish FA have been shocking in their response. Trying to pivot around and sue the players themselves shows how far things need to move ....
I think this story will run and run and end up in a place that is very uncomfortable for the Spanish FA.
After not even bothering to travel to the final it was always going to take something special for Spain’s FA president to do something more controversial than England’s but fair play to him he managed it.
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