Ukraine War

It's a tough one with Russia because we are talking about a country where we get a large portion of our energy from. They also have support from China and have equipment on par with the US, ourselves and other NATO members.

This isn't like Iraq, Syria etc where we know we have more firepower than them. There is then the serious nuclear threat Russia (and the US) pose.

I don't condone what we've woken up to this morning by any stretch but Russia is an enemy that can fight back very effectively.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

It's a tough one with Russia because we are talking about a country where we get a large portion of our energy from. They also have support from China and have equipment on par with the US, ourselves and other NATO members.

This isn't like Iraq, Syria etc where we know we have more firepower than them. There is then the serious nuclear threat Russia (and the US) pose.

I don't condone what we've woken up to this morning by any stretch but Russia is an enemy that can fight back very effectively.

Think I saw the other day that only 3% of our gas comes from Russia (still not a small amount) but mainland Europe relies on it a lot more, just saying.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Think I saw the other day that only 3% of our gas comes from Russia (still not a small amount) but mainland Europe relies on it a lot more, just saying.

Still enough to increase our prices even more. My supplier went bust and I moved over to another supplier. Looked at setting up a fixed deal the other week and it was coming out 3x the price I currently pay!

filthy illegitimate Putin

need to get support across to Ukraine ASAP

Modern day lebensraum. Anyone who thinks this is because of NATO and not just that Putin has had a massive chip on his shoulder about the break up of the Soviet Union for 30 years is misguided.

Only thing we'll be supplying (other than kind words) is munitions. Oh, and support for refugees who will no doubt be making their way into Poland and the other Eastern European EU countries. Lots of reinforcements heading into the Baltic states, I suspect. It will be interesting to see how Orban responds.

If this conflict turns into a guerilla war, which is quite possible, I suspect it will be a very bad time to be a Russian tank driver because those anti-tank missiles are pretty compact. Not sure if they'll supply the stinger-type anti-aircraft missiles, however.

Of course, both sides have similar technology, but the Russians will have a lot more of it than the Ukrainians.

A shitshow in the making. I wonder if Putin is having a late mid-life crisis, or something?

I was at work last night watching this unfold. You could see the columns of traffic built up by the invading forces on google maps and the airspace clearing on flightradar24 in the couple of hours before. Even so it’s not a great morning to wake up as someone on the Armed Forces reserve list  

No one should underestimate how serious this is. For those of us in the UK, this may feel a long way from our shores, but that is not the case.

Kyiv will fall; Ukraine will fall. This much is certain, and there is little the west can do about that. What happens from there is up to Putin.

There is already deep anxiety in Poland and the Baltics; all of which, crucially, are NATO members. By its very definition, should Russia attack any of those nations, it is duty bound to respond with force.

If NATO goes in, the US goes in, and then (as the thread title suggests), we quite literally have World War 3. And that, as Putin has already inferred, will lead up a spectacular abuse of nuclear force from all sides.

It all comes down to what Putin decides, or has already decided to do. He is the puppet master, with the world in his hands today. We may already be on an unavoidable collision course with disaster.

Once again in this brutally shìt decade we find ourselves living in historic times. Regrettably, I really don’t think I’m overplaying it.

Quoted from Poojah

No one should underestimate how serious this is. For those of us in the UK, this may feel a long way from our shores, but that is not the case.

Kyiv will fall; Ukraine will fall. This much is certain, and there is little the west can do about that. What happens from there is up to Putin.

There is already deep anxiety in Poland and the Baltics; all of which, crucially, are NATO members. By its very definition, should Russia attack any of those nations, it is duty bound to respond with force.

If NATO goes in, the US goes in, and then (as the thread title suggests), we quite literally have World War 3. And that, as Putin has already inferred, will lead up a spectacular abuse of nuclear force from all sides.

It all comes down to what Putin decides, or has already decided to do. He is the puppet master, with the world in his hands today. We may already be on an unavoidable collision course with disaster.

Once again in this brutally shìt decade we find ourselves living in historic times. Regrettably, I really don’t think I’m overplaying it.

Ukraine are begging for help and they've wanted to become a member of NATO for some time. The next steps have frightening consequences given the nuclear power Russia and others have. If we provide assistance to Ukrraine then there is a distinct possibility of Russia sending something our way.

Very worrying times for sure.

Why would Putin nuke London when half of it is owned by his mates and the City launders most of the dirty money coming out of Eastern Europe?