Ukraine War

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Surely WW3 is unlikely.

It will either be nuclear armageddon or a proxy war between East and West in some poor b*stards back yard (Ukraine, Lithuania, BiH).

This is my thinking, there’s too much to lose on both sides for all our nuclear war, but flipping up a few small countries will be more than acceptable. That’s not my view in the slightest mind, but globally that’s what it will be seen as…

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

But expansionist dictators can only be stopped by force. NATO has to respond now mobilising to reinforce all of NATO eastern Europe. It will cost us all a load of our taxes and the last thing we need after COVID but there is no choice. We need to force Russia into a Cold War they can't win. Russia spends 5% of GDP on military - more than any NATO country but their economy is tiny compared to the combined NATO economy. NATO can outspend them easily with some economic pain but with sanctions and the cost of occupation of Ukraine Russia can't win a Cold War. When the wall came down the Soviet `bloc was shown to be hollowed out economically and militarily and actually was posing much less of a conventional military threat than the west feared. The only strategy I can see is to hollow out Russia and hope that Putin is removed by his own people.

Name one expansionist dictator with a nuclear arsenal and the means to reach the western world with it, that has been stopped by force.

Nuclear weapons are the joker and will probably one day be mankind’s ultimate downfall. Hopefully just not right now.

Quoted from Humbercod

This is not what I wanted to see in Ukraine. It didn’t have to end this way. Even days ago an agreement that Ukraine would never join NATO and the full implementation of the Minsk Agreement would have ended the crisis.

The FT’s (berated) call for this was right. Pumping Ukraine full of NATO weapons, mercenaries and propaganda was a grave mistake (and Russia inherits a billion dollars worth of weaponry). What was intended as a demonstration of NATO strength has ended with proof of its weakness.

The US empire is fading. The sun has risen in the east. Britain should fulfil its destiny as an independent country, free from the EU, and free from the USA.

George Galloway.

No it wouldn’t. Why can’t you accept you are 100% wrong? Putin has no issue whatsoever with NATO. What he fears is democracy and openness infecting Russia.

He can’t stomach having a Slavic country on his doorstep that is democratic, free and outward looking. Which is exactly the reason he’s destroyed the free press in Russia over the last 10 years.

He couldn’t allow Ukraine to thrive as the Russian people will start to notice what Putin has done to their own country and stolen from them.

Ukraine is a danger to him because it shows him and his regime for what it is. He’s a dictator in a sham democracy where opposition politicians are locked up.

Ukraine only became a proper issue to him when the Ukrainians kicked out their last Russian leaning President in 2014 and changed from a Putin-like sham democracy to a genuine (but fledgling) democracy. Until then they were Belarus-like.

Panic over Biden has awoken and soon to address the world, Russian tanks will soon be reversing.

Quoted from aldi_01

This is my thinking, there’s too much to lose on both sides for all our nuclear war, but flipping up a few small countries will be more than acceptable. That’s not my view in the slightest mind, but globally that’s what it will be seen as…

If the west sits back, what happens and when does he stop?

If we go all in by supporting Ukraine with military and meaningful economic sanctions, what could happen?

Fighting in Chernobyl now; why use nuclear weapons when you can blow up nuclear waste instead?

Must admit I had no idea Chernobyl was in Ukraine, I always assumed it was inside Russia itself....duh.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

If the west sits back, what happens and when does he stop?

If we go all in by supporting Ukraine with military and meaningful economic sanctions, what could happen?

Fighting in Chernobyl now; why use nuclear weapons when you can blow up nuclear waste instead?

They’re not fighting there. They’re using it as a safe passage to get to Kyiv quicker cause they know the Ukrainians aren’t daft enough to drop ordnance on the exclusion zone. You can always decontaminate after going into the zone so it’s (relatively) safe to do.

Quoted from Poojah

Name one expansionist dictator with a nuclear arsenal and the means to reach the western world with it, that has been stopped by force.

Nuclear weapons are the joker and will probably one day be mankind’s ultimate downfall. Hopefully just not right now.

The mujahideen did a pretty good job. As long as there is MAD then Putin would have to be mad to press the button just because NATO's eastern border is bristling with military hardware and Ukrainian rebels are being fed with military aid. Of course he might become a total crackpot like Hitler - then we have to rely on a successful coup.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Must admit I had no idea Chernobyl was in Ukraine

It’s not anymore.

Quoted from Humbercod

Panic over Biden has awoken and soon to address the world, Russian tanks will soon be reversing.

Fûck off back under your stone you cut price Oswald Moseley.