Ukraine War

He'd have to be a madman to try to attack the Finns. Very, very patriotic and they still have national service over there so pretty much every adult male knows which way to hold a rifle. My sister lived over there for a decade and her boyfriend was, I seem to remember, something like a Captain's rank in their territorials.

Not sure how they'd do against modern armoured divisions but they fought the Soviets to a standstill in WWII for a couple of months, assisted by the weather, of course.

I see it’s on the Daily Mail website.

Quoted from DB

I have just read Putin is threatening Finland & Sweden if they join NATO. The man is a lunatic and Biden needs to sort him out fast.

Overrunning and ex-communist state is not acceptable nor is threatening these neutral countries.

Biden on his Hols
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s.....oops-head-toward-ky/

Quoted from chaos33

Where have you read that?

Mail on Line this morning.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne.....l-warns-nations.html

Lithuania are closing their airspace to Russia from tonight.

That will affect the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad, which is surrounded by Lithuania / Poland.

This could be about to get messier.

I think by the end of the weekend all of Europe’s airspace will be shut to Russian flights. The operators have probably already been informed. I wouldn’t want to be a Brit abroad in Asia for a while to be honest.

Geopolitically, this is much more complex than most people realise. It really needs a diplomatic solution with compromises and empathy on both sides. It cannot be solved with armed conflict or sanctions etc.

Quoted from chaos33

Geopolitically, this is much more complex than most people realise. It really needs a diplomatic solution with compromises and empathy on both sides. It cannot be solved with armed conflict or sanctions etc.

Agree

Quoted from chaos33

Geopolitically, this is much more complex than most people realise. It really needs a diplomatic solution with compromises and empathy on both sides. It cannot be solved with armed conflict or sanctions etc.

No it needs a solution that results in Ukraine remaining a democratic, independent country under control of all it’s internationally recognised territories including Crimea. If any part of Ukraine genuinely wishes to be either an independent country or to join Russia then that can only happen with a free and fair referendum under international supervision and verification after the dust has settled on Russia’s occupations since 2014 and full scale invasion.

Russia cannot be seen to have any wins from Ukraine however small. They must be an international pariah in every imaginable way until Putin is gone at the earliest.

Putin might seem like he has an iron grip on Russia, but he only has that whilst the police and security forces remain loyal to him. Let’s see what happens if those forces aren’t getting paid or if the sanctions cause inflation in Russia to spiral out of control.

I understand that and agree to some extent, but there is some need to consider the view that Russia faces the reality of an ever expanding NATO on its borders with weapons. It is morally wrong to attack Ukraine and deny its right to act in a way it sees fit, but Putin can be said to have a point when he states that the USA would not permit Russia to have military/nuclear capability on its borders - say in Canada, or Mexico.