Ukraine War

I'm no expert but it looks like China is behind Russia in it's stance over the expansion of NATO.

Worrying times.

China and Russia always support each other against 'free' democratic countries. Winter will soon be ending and the Russians have supply routes in force for their troops. Come Spring I think we will find out the Russians true intentions beit brinkmanship or occupation of Ukraine.

Do we absolutely know that Russia are the bad guys? We get fed so much propaganda these days that I cannot help but to question the narrative.
Even as a kid growing up in the 70s and early 80s I was conscious of those bad Russians that had nukes pointing towards us, I’d heard about the reds under your beds, we had the James Bond bad guys, Ivan Drago and the woman they were all emotionless and hard as nails nothing good comes from Russia. The place is cold and inhospitable to foreigners,  they live isolated lives drinking vodka all day.

But then I started working with an older guy when in my early 20s and he was married to a Russian (who I met and found lovely) he’d  travelled there many times and described the place and the people as wonderful nothing like we are led to believe.
I think back to my school days learning about the war and again the good guys were the western Allies I don’t recall ever being taught how we defeated the Nazis with Russia it was always the British and Americans (mainly) as far as I was taught.

I’m not saying Putin is an angel but I do watch quite a lot of RT news purely for some kind of balance, yes there is an argument it’s under some kind of state control but so is the BBC you could also argue, and it’s interesting to see the exasperation on the channel at all the anti-Russian propaganda, they seem amused with good humour to be fair but not surprised at the constant blame gaming against their Country. Only the other day they was reporting on the Canadian government telling their citizens that the Canadian truck freedom protest was organised by the Kremlin😂

Not sure the Russians are really thinking of invading Ukraine. Looks like sabre-rattling to me as they've already got the bit they need in Crimea. The fact that NATO was making eyes at Ukraine was a really foolish decision because the Russians were never going to allow that due to access to the Black Sea. I suspect they are looking to force negotiations and a treaty to get the West to recognise Crimea as now being part of Russia (and most people in Crimea are happy with this).

The Chinese can continue their expansionist ways in the Pacific more easily if eyes are on Crimea, so no surprise that they are in support of the Russians.

Ultimately, we can't do anything about either of these superpowers as they have us over a barrel. Too much of Europe is reliant on Russian gas for heating and energy and most western countries are reliant on China after foolishly outsourcing all our manufacturing and industry out there to make a quick buck. It would take a serious programme of investment, construction and training to stop our reliance on these two countries. No chance of that occurring any time soon, unfortunately.

Quoted from Humbercod

Do we absolutely know that Russia are the bad guys? We get fed so much propaganda these days that I cannot help but to question the narrative.
Even as a kid growing up in the 70s and early 80s I was conscious of those bad Russians that had nukes pointing towards us, I’d heard about the reds under your beds, we had the James Bond bad guys, Ivan Drago and the woman they were all emotionless and hard as nails nothing good comes from Russia. The place is cold and inhospitable to foreigners,  they live isolated lives drinking vodka all day.

But then I started working with an older guy when in my early 20s and he was married to a Russian (who I met and found lovely) he’d  travelled there many times and described the place and the people as wonderful nothing like we are led to believe.
I think back to my school days learning about the war and again the good guys were the western Allies I don’t recall ever being taught how we defeated the Nazis with Russia it was always the British and Americans (mainly) as far as I was taught.

I’m not saying Putin is an angel but I do watch quite a lot of RT news purely for some kind of balance, yes there is an argument it’s under some kind of state control but so is the BBC you could also argue, and it’s interesting to see the exasperation on the channel at all the anti-Russian propaganda, they seem amused with good humour to be fair but not surprised at the constant blame gaming against their Country. Only the other day they was reporting on the Canadian government telling their citizens that the Canadian truck freedom protest was organised by the Kremlin😂

Well said (in parts) Comrade. People have to appreciate that Russia has been invaded three times in the last 200 years by supposed superpowers at the time, and has witnessed an expansion of NATO right up to its borders despite being promised that this wouldn’t happen following the collapse of the USSR.

There are issues regarding supplies of gas, national identity, internal politics and countless other factors that we will never really be able to comprehend, but the “Russia/China = bad, NATO = good” is reductive to a level that primary school children would see past it. It’s “reds under the bed” stuff. Tragic.

Fcuk Russia and China, nuke France.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Fcuk Russia and China, nuke France.

And Scotland while we're at it  

Putin is akin to a mafia boss who has siphoned billions of pounds into his own personal account, most of which is in London and plenty of our politicians have taken his wonga. There are campaigns to freeze his assets and those of other oligarchs who have staggering amounts of money in western banking systems, but as ever, money talks.

Putin doesn't care about Russia. He cares for himself and the tens of billions of dollars he has stolen from his countrymen.

Unfortunately, unlike other mafia bosses, he has a million strong army and nuclear weapons.

My biggest worry about any country starting a third world war is not Russia or China it is the USA .

They can't help it sticking their nose in other countries business they have lost a lot of good young men in various conflicts since 1945 but made a lot of money selling arms ect.

The good thing about having nuclear weapons is you will not use them because if you do you will get the same coming back at you.

Quoted from Maringer

  (and most people in Crimea are happy with this).

They held a referendum after they invaded the area, in a vote that was effectively at gun point.