Ukraine War

Quoted from Humbercod

Do you still think Russia is a communist country?
Of course he fears NATO one of his core demands is that Ukraine never joins NATO!
As for Russian politics I don’t give a excrement most country’s have corrupt governments some worse than others, again none of our business we should be focused on our own bunch of Charlatans.

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

Says you blind to the fact the NATO expansion has fuelled this.

“NATO has put its front-line forces on our borders,” Putin complained, bemoaning the alliance’s eastward expansion. Citing what he claimed were Western promises not to move east of Germany, he said, with bitter sarcasm: “We have the right to ask: Against whom is this expansion intended?”

This was 15 years ago the NATI are not innocent bystanders.

Quoted from Humbercod

Says you blind to the fact the NATO expansion has fuelled this.

“NATO has put its front-line forces on our borders,” Putin complained, bemoaning the alliance’s eastward expansion. Citing what he claimed were Western promises not to move east of Germany, he said, with bitter sarcasm: “We have the right to ask: Against whom is this expansion intended?”

This was 15 years ago the NATI are not innocent bystanders.

I say it again, you know absolutely nothing about what you are commenting on. This has zero to do with NATO.

Clearly Putin can’t come out & say the real reason why he’s determined to wipe Ukraine from the map, so he’s pretending it’s all because of NATO.

You really need to start questioning what you listen to. You drone on about the BBC being dishonest, yet you naively take Vladimir Putin, an actually authoritarian leader/dictator, at his word. Priceless.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

I say it again, you know absolutely nothing about what you are commenting on. This has zero to do with NATO.

Clearly Putin can’t come out & say the real reason why he’s determined to wipe Ukraine from the map, so he’s pretending it’s all because of NATO.

You really need to start questioning what you listen to. You drone on about the BBC being dishonest, yet you naively take Vladimir Putin, an actually authoritarian leader/dictator, at his word. Priceless.

You astound me! Pretty much all the Western media that you seem to trust so much have reported that Putin’s main goal is to secure a guarantee from Biden and NATO that they will never admit Ukraine and other former Soviet states as members. What his motives are after this is hearsay.
As for wanting to wipe Ukraine out well that’s just sixth form nonsense. We are ignorant in the western world that area means a lot to Russia just from a historical position with Kiev once being the Capital not so long ago, we need to keep the hell out.

Putting this to one side a serious question, are you happy for the UK to be getting involved in another conflict which this time could quite possibly lead to a large scale war?

Quoted from Humbercod

You astound me! Pretty much all the Western media that you seem to trust so much have reported that Putin’s main goal is to secure a guarantee from Biden and NATO that they will never admit Ukraine and other former Soviet states as members. What his motives are after this is hearsay.
As for wanting to wipe Ukraine out well that’s just sixth form nonsense. We are ignorant in the western world that area means a lot to Russia just from a historical position with Kiev once being the Capital not so long ago, we need to keep the hell out.

Putting this to one side a serious question, are you happy for the UK to be getting involved in another conflict which this time could quite possibly lead to a large scale war?

Humbercod, I’ll ask you this, are you happy to stand aside whilst innocent people are killed? It would appear you are because the innocent people involved happen to live outside the lines on a map you see as being important.

You criticise others for spouting sixth form nonsense but your anti western, pseudo intellectual, criticism is no better. Standing so vehemently in support of an anti democratic leader puts you in a weak place imho. To make some loose comparison between the elected ‘cretins’ here (thank your fellow voters for this) and Putin is just mind-boggling.

Quoted from Humbercod

You astound me! Pretty much all the Western media that you seem to trust so much have reported that Putin’s main goal is to secure a guarantee from Biden and NATO that they will never admit Ukraine and other former Soviet states as members. What his motives are after this is hearsay.
As for wanting to wipe Ukraine out well that’s just sixth form nonsense. We are ignorant in the western world that area means a lot to Russia just from a historical position with Kiev once being the Capital not so long ago, we need to keep the hell out.

Putting this to one side a serious question, are you happy for the UK to be getting involved in another conflict which this time could quite possibly lead to a large scale war?

Seriously, Putin has been quoted as saying Ukraine isn’t a legitimate country since he was deputy mayor of St Petersburg back in the early to mid 90s and plenty of times since.

And to make it even easier for you he came out and said it last night it that bizarre, rambling speech he made on Russian TV.

Putin is using the NATO argument because he knows the false demands he’s making (Ukraine never joining NATO to NATO reducing to pre-1997 members) will never ever be agreed to by the west/NATO.

It’s just Putin going through the motions and pretending he’s tried everything to avoid having to invade Ukraine.

And if you missed it, today Putin said that he recognises independent Donetsk and Luhansk based not on the land controlled by Russian sponsored/funded/backed/installed separatists, but on the whole regions as internationally recognised (i.e. huge amounts of Ukrainian controlled territory).

That will be the next step. Russia will invade the rest of Donetsk and Luhansk. And when Ukraine defends itself Putin will use that “aggression” as excuse for invading the entire Ukraine.

We and our allies have to do whatever it takes to support Ukraine and make Russia pay for what it has already done and is about to do. Alexei Navalny made a list of the top 35 oligarchs who hold Putin’s stolen wealth for him with Chelsea owner Roman Abramovic unsurprisingly in at number 1. Target those individuals and influential Russian companies such as Gazprom with strict sanctions and asset freezes.

We need to bleed Russia dry and make them an international pariah. And kick them out of international sport.

Putin’s disdain for Ukraine is nothing new. If people think this is a NATO issue then they’re missing the point…

I think the fact we think imposing sanctions on Russia will hurt them is laughable though….

Quoted from aldi_01

Putin’s disdain for Ukraine is nothing new. If people think this is a NATO issue then they’re missing the point…

I think the fact we think imposing sanctions on Russia will hurt them is laughable though….

Totally agree on the first part. Completely disagree with the second part.

If sanctions can’t harm Russia, why has Putin made Bill Browder his number 1 international target?

It’s because Putin fears what Bill Browder is campaigning for.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Give an example from the past then of the BBC reporting lies.

"The Humber Bridge is in Northern Lincolnshire" Look North. Northern Lincolnshire ends at approximately Caistor

Quoted from DB

"The Humber Bridge is in Northern Lincolnshire" Look North. Northern Lincolnshire ends at approximately Caistor

Only the official county, the Humber bridge is in The council borough of North Lincolnshire though, more a slip of the tongue than fully inaccurate surely?