Artell Out  (triple merged)

Quoted from Mikey_345

Just wanna put it out there that a lost dressing room and drunk off a few players that have underperformed and deserve a few home truths are slightly different things.

Not doubting what your saying guys, just important to think about imo as we do hear ’lost the players’ a lot in football

Yes that's a fair point, it's a massively over used term in football.

It's overwhelmingly performance based, if your winning it doesn't get called that, people refer to certain individuals being 'told in no uncertain terms' things or whatever. If your losing the same situation with an individual will be referred to as losing the dressing room

The dressing  room didn’t look lost in the Notts County game

Quoted from HerveJosse

The dressing  room didn’t look lost in the Notts County game

It's after that game .

Re him apparently losing the dressing room at Crewe, think someone mentioned it earlier. The club spoke to lots and lots of passed players and club officials - that’s not a secret they made it clear.

Therefore I doubt it’s true, or not exactly as described, as that would have come up.

I'm not entirely sure from watching recently that the squad are behind Artell.

I don't think he seems like the type of man to galvanise a team, or that players would relate to.

His interviews seem slightly clueless and arrogant - his answer to most criticism / doubt is "I've done it before". It is important to remember he 'did' it in the strange times of covid where the season ended up being decided by avg points per game in the end. Before then they had not been impressive at all. Manager's do sometimes have seasons where they perhaps ride momentum and luck but are unable to ever replicate that again - think Claudio Ranieri at leicester - has not been able to replicate anything even slightly similar since.

The other thing I really dont like is when he is asked about what went wrong today - he consistently seems unable to give a clear answer and often puts it on the players - acting like it is them who must come up with the answer. It is DA's job to teach the players how to play, and to tactically arrange them to negate risk and exploit loopholes/weaknesses.

At the moment DA says things like "The players couldn't work out how to play against xxx" or "They need to work out how to score and how to play" - its almost as if he wants them to work it all out through their own intuition - Managers exist for a reason because this is their job . Its like strategic warfare, you can have the best soldiers in the world, but you need a plan and leadership to deliver victory...

As other people have said, there must be a reason DA has been unsuccessful in so many other job interviews at bigger , more progressive clubs that are heading in better directions than us at present...

As people have suggested before, this is a relegation scrap - we need to focus on survival and doing the basics right - not over-ambitious, flamboyant football that teams in the top leagues with top players have the luxury of being able to try.

It worries me that Davies and Pearson who have little managerial experience seemed to understand this , and were more capable of delivering this / progressively improving the team than Artell.

Show me a decent manager who’s not lost his job when the dressing room was behind him?

So here’s a scenario agent says to out of contract player “your deals up but Hartlepool, Halifax, York, Oldham, Rochdale, Gateshead or any other club close to your home (less commute) will offer you 2 years now, it’s a bit less money but there’s a bonus, you might be the captain and it’s less commute cost and a shorter working day, plus you can share a car with AN Other who tells me its brilliant there at the moment.

You’re going down a  league so should start,  Artell has told me he’ll only talk to me about you from February onwards and nothings guarantee.

So do you want to see whet Grimsby can offer or sign a pre contract agreement now to start on July 1st?”

Or alternatively, “Artell has told both of us you’re not in his plans & I’m not getting any interest as he’s not giving you enough/any game time to show what a good player you are”.

Would you be busting a gut or be Mr Happy around the training ground?

If thats true, then the players go can go intercourse themselves. Ive not taken to a hell of a lot of them, and they downed tools under Hurst and cost a good man his job.

Who the intercourse do they think they are? They are average at best league 2 footballers, getting paid handsomely to be consistently shite. flipping grow some balls, show some pride and fight.

Quoted from Hagrid

If thats true, then the players go can go intercourse themselves. Ive not taken to a hell of a lot of them, and they downed tools under Hurst and cost a good man his job.

Who the intercourse do they think they are? They are average at best league 2 footballers, getting paid handsomely to be consistently shite. flipping grow some balls, show some pride and fight.

If only that were true. How many times this season have we seen a severely limited opposition at least do the basics right and comfortably beat us?

Quoted from mariner91

If only that were true. How many times this season have we seen a severely limited opposition at least do the basics right and comfortably beat us?

Well yes good point.

Whoever it is send them down to the youth team to train, gotta crack down on this sort of nonsense straight away,  this has really drunk me off. Fuming