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HertsGTFC
January 28, 2024, 8:58pm

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Because we had a recruitment manager and it was all data led apparently.


Maybe Hurst’s mistake was letting data replace miles on the road burning rubber watching players and how they perform on a rainy Tuesday away at bum f*cl nowhere.


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Macca, Danny Andrew, Shaun, Danny Collins, Jamie Osborne, Chris Clements (good when fit) Dis, Callum Dyson, Sam Jones (started well) Dom Vose ( the cameo king) even Andy Boyce & Zak Mills where better than we have now.


Defence better yes, Dis was in his twilight, the rest mostly worse or sicknotes.
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How many of our summer signings were because of the data led approach?

Eastwood - previously worked with Hurst.
Cartwright - from Hull but is Grimsby born and bred.
Mullarkey - we missed out on him last January when the HoR had been here 5 minutes.
Rodgers - possibly.
Conteh - I think Hurst admitted that the HoR was behind this signing.
Andrews - just one of many random young lads that end up here in the hope of being any good.
Eisa - we are the third club Hurst has had him at.
Pyke - Hurst had worked with him before.
Vernam - this is his third spell here, and we had been after him for a few transfer windows.
Wilson - possibly a HoR find.
Rose - whoever is responsible for signing him, well done as he is our only hope of staying up at the moment.
Gnahoua - was at Shrewsbury with Hurst.
Ainley - possibly a HoR recommendation.

A lot of our summer recruitment has played for Hurst before. I don't think a data-led approach is to blame at all, as I don't think a lot of our signings were on the back of any underlying data.


Yeah at least half and possibly more are Hurst signings not data led signings.
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Yeah at least half and possibly more are Hurst signings not data led signings.


Hurst was pre-data though so was a more traditional manager they had inherited along with the club. DA is their first chance at someone who buys into the process, obviously the "analytical science degree course" which has been added to his WIkipedia profile might have been one of the reason why he was identified as a target before we even spoke to him.

This is an interesting listen, it's a podcast with Omar Chaudhuri from Twenty First Group, who we employ. It was recorded before PH was sacked so gives quite a bit of insight into the approach we might have gone through, given we were working with them. Listening to it at the time I thought he could well be talking about teams like us.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/.....5286?i=1000630990098


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Hurst was pre-data though so was a more traditional manager they had inherited along with the club. DA is their first chance at someone who buys into the process, obviously the "analytical science degree course" which has been added to his WIkipedia profile might have been one of the reason why he was identified as a target before we even spoke to him.

This is an interesting listen, it's a podcast with Omar Chaudhuri from Twenty First Group, who we employ. It was recorded before PH was sacked so gives quite a bit of insight into the approach we might have gone through, given we were working with them. Listening to it at the time I thought he could well be talking about teams like us.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/.....5286?i=1000630990098



I remember that the new owners approved the reappointment of Hurst but also remember JS saying that, when he was sacked, they were looking to take the club in a different direction.

It’s a big call in hindsight. We’ll see how it goes.
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It doesn't matter one tiny jot if a signing is data led or manager led. Or if he was recommended by the tea lady's son in law.

Some signings work, some don't. There are so many, far too many reasons why players live up to, or fail to live up to expectations.

All clubs sign duds, despite having the finest data money can buy.

The best route is a manager who knows what he wants having seen them in the flesh.
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Football is quite a close community and many know each other, would an ex player or ex club official come out and excrement on another manager or someone they worked with?


It’s also full of people with egos, so yeah - probably.


All Town aren’t we

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Always puzzles me this… what’s the opposite to ‘data led’?

Ignoring facts and analysis?

As for Wilson - believe he was a Pearson find.


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Quoted from Mikey_345
Always puzzles me this… what’s the opposite to ‘data led’?

Ignoring facts and analysis?

As for Wilson - believe he was a Pearson find.


It doesn't matter. Life is not data. It is a mix of ability, luck, of circumstances and of being in the right place at the right time. Lots of players have looked dogs playing for us, yet went onto have great careers and vice versa.

Football like life is too complicated to reduce it to data. We are near the bottom of the 4th division and there are dozens and dozens of clubs who have greater data resources than we do, but only a small number are doing well.
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Defence better yes, Dis was in his twilight, the rest mostly worse or sicknotes.



Cognitive dissonance!


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