Artell Out  (triple merged)

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

I don’t recall the squad being much, if any, better than current, Bogle was gone and we went almost straight into relegation fight mode the following season.

Macca, Danny Andrew, Shaun, Danny Collins, Jamie Osborne, Chris Clements (good when fit) Dis, Callum Dyson, Sam Jones (started well) Dom Vose ( the cameo king) even Andy Boyce & Zak Mills where better than we have now.

I think I have posted before that I took a dislike to Artell long before he was anywhere near the GTFC job. Can remember when he was at Crewe and I watched a couple of his post match interviews when they played us and thought "who is this arrogant sod with Harold Lloyd glasses"?

Now that may be unfair, and he may be a wonderful coach and person, but he just rubbed me up the wrong way for some reason, and maybe he does that to others, including the players in the squad. When he was mentioned as a candidate for our job, I thought well, if he gets it, he will get my backing as I back all our managers and players, and will have an open mind.

So far it been a bit of a curates egg of performances, and the last two games couldn't have been more different. Wonderful entertainment against County, and Mike Newell levels of ineptitude yesterday.

So the question is- have we got a bullsh1tter who has blagged his way into the job and dazzled the owners with his spreadsheets and university degrees, or have we got a good coach who has ruffled a few feathers and will eventually prevail? I only hope it's the second option and have no reason to think otherwise yet, because we have played some great stuff at times.

I posted a link some weeks back to a Codalmighty article, which laid out how terrible our EFL record has been over the last 20 years and Poojah also brought up the same subject in his just back post yesterday. We have had umpteen managers and literally hundreds of players in that time, but the closest anyone has got us looking like we can compete in league 2 is PH last season and Slade 20 years ago.

So, I have to ask, is it going to take a complete change of philosophy and playing style to crack this particular nut and is Artell the man to finally drag us kicking and screaming into the 21st century? It may be that we have to dismantle everything, and try a new approach, which is going down like a sh1t sandwich at the moment with some fans, and it seems some of the players too, although I have no idea if tales of unrest are true.

Maybe this is what it is going to take to finally become an established league side pushing for promotion in the future, but it's going to be a bumpy ride along the way. I hope so, because our continued struggles are getting really tedious now.

Frankly I don’t know the answer to this dilemma.

My inclination if I was Chairman, which I would never be, is to back DA, including the transfer market.

The alternative is too awful to consider

I just don’t think this ends well at all……..

Prove me wrong but I’m not convinced he will.

Quoted from ginnywings

I think I have posted before that I took a dislike to Artell long before he was anywhere near the GTFC job. Can remember when he was at Crewe and I watched a couple of his post match interviews when they played us and thought "who is this arrogant sod with Harold Lloyd glasses"?

Now that may be unfair, and he may be a wonderful coach and person, but he just rubbed me up the wrong way for some reason, and maybe he does that to others, including the players in the squad. When he was mentioned as a candidate for our job, I thought well, if he gets it, he will get my backing as I back all our managers and players, and will have an open mind.

So far it been a bit of a curates egg of performances, and the last two games couldn't have been more different. Wonderful entertainment against County, and Mike Newell levels of ineptitude yesterday.

So the question is- have we got a bullsh1tter who has blagged his way into the job and dazzled the owners with his spreadsheets and university degrees, or have we got a good coach who has ruffled a few feathers and will eventually prevail? I only hope it's the second option and have no reason to think otherwise yet, because we have played some great stuff at times.

I posted a link some weeks back to a Codalmighty article, which laid out how terrible our EFL record has been over the last 20 years and Poojah also brought up the same subject in his just back post yesterday. We have had umpteen managers and literally hundreds of players in that time, but the closest anyone has got us looking like we can compete in league 2 is PH last season and Slade 20 years ago.

So, I have to ask, is it going to take a complete change of philosophy and playing style to crack this particular nut and is Artell the man to finally drag us kicking and screaming into the 21st century? It may be that we have to dismantle everything, and try a new approach, which is going down like a sh1t sandwich at the moment with some fans, and it seems some of the players too, although I have no idea if tales of unrest are true.

Maybe this is what it is going to take to finally become an established league side pushing for promotion in the future, but it's going to be a bumpy ride along the way. I hope so, because our continued struggles are getting really tedious now.

I’m not always on the same page as you but that’s the point of a forum board but this is a good post and viewpoint. As long as we don’t get relegated I’m happy for Artell to rebuild the lego.

The game has moved on and despite periods of pragmatism brining us relative success under Hurst I’m not sure we have.

Look what 20 odd years of penny pinching gets you I guess?

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

Frankly I don’t know the answer to this dilemma.

My inclination if I was Chairman, which I would never be, is to back DA, including the transfer market.

The alternative is too awful to consider

He's got to back him, this is it now swapping out at this stage would be absolute folly as whoever came in would only be able to bring in unattached players.

Quoted from Davec

If it is true that certain players are bad apples which I can believe in fairness, how did Hurst get it wrong when he signed them? He's normally an excellent judge of character and values team spirit so why did he sign these players who are "bad apples"

Because we had a recruitment manager and it was all data led apparently.

Quoted from Mikey_345

Just wanna put it out there that a lost dressing room and drunk off a few players that have underperformed and deserve a few home truths are slightly different things.

Not doubting what your saying guys, just important to think about imo as we do hear ’lost the players’ a lot in football

"A few players"

Just about the lot of them were crap on Saturday.

Quoted from Mikey_345

Re him apparently losing the dressing room at Crewe, think someone mentioned it earlier. The club spoke to lots and lots of passed players and club officials - that’s not a secret they made it clear.

Therefore I doubt it’s true, or not exactly as described, as that would have come up.

Football is quite a close community and many know each other, would an ex player or ex club official come out and excrement on another manager or someone they worked with?

Quoted from Hagrid

Because of this data led approach.

How many of our summer signings were because of the data led approach?

Eastwood - previously worked with Hurst.
Cartwright - from Hull but is Grimsby born and bred.
Mullarkey - we missed out on him last January when the HoR had been here 5 minutes.
Rodgers - possibly.
Conteh - I think Hurst admitted that the HoR was behind this signing.
Andrews - just one of many random young lads that end up here in the hope of being any good.
Eisa - we are the third club Hurst has had him at.
Pyke - Hurst had worked with him before.
Vernam - this is his third spell here, and we had been after him for a few transfer windows.
Wilson - possibly a HoR find.
Rose - whoever is responsible for signing him, well done as he is our only hope of staying up at the moment.
Gnahoua - was at Shrewsbury with Hurst.
Ainley - possibly a HoR recommendation.

A lot of our summer recruitment has played for Hurst before. I don't think a data-led approach is to blame at all, as I don't think a lot of our signings were on the back of any underlying data.