Hurst out

This isn’t just  because of today , it’s because of the rapid decline . The players have down tooled and there has to be a reason . Hurst Doig and all the coaches need to go


And moderators please don’t put this as potw please . It’s not here for effect I’m deadly serious about Hurst and his back room team

Come on, give the guy a chance, we are playing great sustainable football and he has a job for life anyhow. UTM

Just what i have been saying for more than a few weeks  He should resign now  before he gets sacked  if stockwood &co can find their round things

OK, give me a reason he should stay.

He’s lost the dressing room with his defensive rubbish, players want  to entertain and express themselves, I’m afraid it’s time and to the happy clappers, No, I don’t know who the replacement is but change is needed

1 up front at home again, he’s asking to be sacked!
Come on Stockwood help him out.

The tea lady would be better than Hurst

Totally agree he's got to go the teams got nothing at all going for it and they're not bad players it's him and his negative attitude. Hurst Out

Ps Happy Clappers go on then defend that.

I believe Paul Hurst is an honourable gentleman and to end should do the honourable thing and resign, admitting it hasnt gone as planned.

Hate to admit but after watching that, something needs to happen. The glaring miss from conteh (?) just led to the inevitable.

Can’t thank PH enough for all those amazing times but, I think it’s time for a change. And it has to happen sooner rather than later. Hopefully, there are some decent ‘names’ and not the dross with what we’ve come to expect.

I've opposed recent calls on here to sack him. But genuinely lost for words at the minute

Hard to disagree now, bitterly disappointed given how excited I was in pre-season. The buck stops with the manager and too much has gone wrong this season for him not to take a large portion of the blame.

Hate to say it, but I agree. I’ve backed PH until I can’t anymore. So I say this all with a tinge sadness.

Thanks for 2016 and for 2022, the FA Cup run and the decent trips out. I will never play down what PH has done for Town but right now we are playing without togetherness and enthusiasm. We spent money in the summer after the Cup run but at the moment it looks like we may have spunked it on players who are not a step above what we had. Hurst unfortunately has taken this team as far as he can take them.

Fresh ideas and tactics are needed, and unfortunately if he doesn’t go this is only going to get worst.

The players look as bored as we fans are. They know it’s not working, we know it’s not working and  I’m quite looking forward to Hursts post match interview on this game to hear if he thinks it’s working.  The squad we have is decent I can only imagine that our management team must be massive de~motivators. I have a 3 hour round trip to come to BP on a good day and it’s getting harder to motivate myself to do something that actually is supposed to be enjoyable and entertaining. I’m beginning to doubt all this fairytale stuff from those now running the club. Seems talk really is cheap.

I think at this point the difficult questions need to be asked after today as it's been incredibly poor from minute one. I'm one for being the voice of reason and not wanting the managerial merry-go-round, nor do I have a stick up my bottom over Hurst because he doesn't get on his knees and tell the fans how great they are but we need to understand what went wrong today.

The coaching team needs looking at too but that likely won't change even if Hurst goes, Ben Davies will probably be in temporary charge again or we can stick the physio in charge maybe who knows. But lets do it before the next window, have the new guy get 10 players paid off and bring in 10 players on loan to limp towards the end of the season then build a whole new team in the summer like we always do.

Sorry Paul you have got to go.

It's not just this season all last season home games bar one of two were dreadful.

Fans need to be entertained you have had vastly increased gates and more money and we are no better.

We are not improving from one window to the next so Jason stick to your word and let Hurst go.

Bring back Buclkley

Hurst's tactics again completely wrong. We only committed to attack when the game was lost and had more chances in the last 10 minutes than the previous 80- and that was with 10 men. Why can't we attack from the off ?   When we are leading, time after time we go defensive and throw the game away   Come on Paul let's show them that we can attack from the off because if we don't non- league is just around the corner and you will be on your bike along with a couple of thousand supporters. Don't let us end up like Scunny. Change your game plan PLEASE.

Do we have a vote of confidence first?

Or Broccoli

Quoted from GrimRob

Do we have a vote of confidence first?

Poll?

Would of loved to see Neal Ardley before him taking the York job.

Leam Richardson
Cowley bro's
Steve Cotterill
Gary Bowyer
Mike Williamson (Gateshead manager)

As most on here know, I've never been Hurst's biggest fan however I have purposely held off on commenting on this seasons performances until now in order to be fair to him.

Having watched every game this season, how anybody can defend him after that debacle is bloody deluded !

It's time to grow a pair Jason and make the change before its too late !

FFS, pull the trigger, NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!

Quoted from It Bites

This isn’t just  because of today , it’s because of the rapid decline . The players have down tooled and there has to be a reason . Hurst Doig and all the coaches need to go

Disagree.

Thing is.. under Hurst, the very best I can see us being in the next few seasons, is a mid-table League Two team grinding out a few results now and again offering zero entertainment. The fans aren't going to put up with that, and anyone looking after the club's coffers shouldn't either. Hurst is suffocating the goodwill away from JS and AP and is bereft of delivering his employer's target of League One football..

Something isn’t right and hasn’t been for a while. It looks like he’s lost the dressing room. Time to go.

Quoted from denni266

The tea lady would be better than Hurst

If PH got the team winning 10 matches in a row, you would still find something negative to say about him.  You just seem to have an agenda about PH for some strange reason.

Quoted from 123614

Disagree.

Explain?

I doubt they'll get rid of all the coaches. Probably a caretaker team of Davies and Croudson.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Totally agree he's got to go the teams got nothing at all going for it and they're not bad players it's him and his negative attitude. Hurst Out

Ps Happy Clappers go on then defend that.

Happy clappers. Grow up

We all support the club, wanting Paul to succeed doesnt make anyone a happy clapper. We all wanted the same thing you idiot

Quoted from It Bites

Explain?

I disagree with your opinion.  Fairly simple really.

Quoted from 123614

I disagree with your opinion.  Fairly simple really.

I think he was asking you to explain what your alternative opinion was.

Quoted from Hagrid

Happy clappers. Grow up

We all support the club, wanting Paul to succeed doesnt make anyone a happy clapper. We all wanted the same thing you idiot

We all want him to suceed

The problem is performances sadly now show it's highly unlikely he will do so .

Stick with it , whatever which way you look at it , based on that today we are sleepwalking into a relegation battle ; something I never thought I would say with Hurst at the helm.

Its a strange situation because PH is very good at keeping a strong dressing room and rooting out trouble causers. There's clearly an issue, maybe it's one of the "undroppable" players but whatever the cause we need drastic action quickly before this season turns into a nightmare.
There's no doubt in my mind that this squad is much better than the performances we're witnessing and that's down to the manager

Quoted from Bigdog

Thing is.. under Hurst, the very best I can see us being in the next few seasons, is a mid-table League Two team grinding out a few results now and again offering zero entertainment. The fans aren't going to put up with that, and anyone looking after the club's coffers shouldn't either. Hurst is suffocating the goodwill away from JS and AP and is bereft of delivering his employer's target of League One football..

I have some sympathy with this. I'm in the pro Hurst camp, but it's 3 wins in 17 games. Yes, we've played loads of the top teams, but we've hardly taken any points of them, and even our form against the 'lesser' teams is mediocre. It all points to mid table at best.
And there's the nub, 1878 want continual improvement, and this isn't it. I'm sure they don't want to sack him, but they're not stupid, and they didn't make all that amount of money without being ruthless and clinical. One thing is certain, they will treat Hurst fairly and they won't make a move until they're sure the replacement is likely to change us for the better

Quoted from 123614

If PH got the team winning 10 matches in a row, you would still find something negative to say about him.  You just seem to have an agenda about PH for some strange reason.

Would not have expected any other reply from you  . Just like Hurst  never changes

Quoted from SouthLakesMariner

I think he was asking you to explain what your alternative opinion was.

Thanks mate 😂

Something clearly isn't right the players look like they have no fight in them doesn't look like a 'Hurst' team to me..

Time to spin the manager wheel again...

For the first time ever I've lost all confidence in Hurst.  He seemed to have made some good signings; Rodgers, Eisa, Conteh, Mullarkey and Rose have all looked great additions when at their best.  For some reason though, the team just isn't working.  Most of the performances this season have been painful to watch with terrible passing, big gaps in defence and shocking finishing in front of goal.  Even Clifton, one of our most consistent performers the past few years, has looked miles off his usual self.  The signs are clear it just isn't working, I feel this group of players is much better than the performances they're churning out.  I really want to see someone else in charge of them now.  UTM.

Anyone seen the happy clappers  

The players have downed tools and are no longer playing for Hurst, something not right behind the scenes at the club

The problem is the Muppet will win the next game convincingly before another run of defeats. Always pulling off the bare minimum to save his job. He should be sacked for his lack of attacking ambition

Quoted from SouthLakesMariner

I think he was asking you to explain what your alternative opinion was.

It's fairly obvious isn't it?

Quoted from forza ivano

I have some sympathy with this. I'm in the pro Hurst camp, but it's 3 wins in 17 games. Yes, we've played loads of the top teams, but we've hardly taken any points of them, and even our form against the 'lesser' teams is mediocre. It all points to mid table at best.
And there's the nub, 1878 want continual improvement, and this isn't it. I'm sure they don't want to sack him, but they're not stupid, and they didn't make all that amount of money without being ruthless and clinical. One thing is certain, they will treat Hurst fairly and they won't make a move until they're sure the replacement is likely to change us for the better

When the manager is clearly tanking, I'm sure JS and AP have the nous not to tank their reputations too through blind loyalty. I also think they'll be prepared to invest more into getting a new manager than we've all seen in our lifetimes. They'll understand that's where the greatest return on investment lies..

Quoted from denni266

Would not have expected any other reply from you  . Just like Hurst  never changes

I reckon that if I was to go back through all the posts {I'm not), you would be the one with more posts slagging PH off than any other poster here.

Quoted from Simon

Anyone seen the happy clappers  

The players have downed tools and are no longer playing for Hurst, something not right behind the scenes at the club

I’m not sure if I’m a happy clapper, but personally, I’m collecting my thoughts still.

The fact that some of my fellow ‘happy clappers’ are also a bit concerned, and have already commented, probably speaks volumes for the performance and the state of our defending.

It’s not good - I can see that and I understand that.

Quoted from Hagrid

Happy clappers. Grow up

We all support the club, wanting Paul to succeed doesnt make anyone a happy clapper. We all wanted the same thing you idiot

Thanks for the reply 👍

Get poked

It pains me to question the man.. as a club and as fans, we owe him so much. But this poor form seems to be really dragging on and I just cannot stomach the possibility of another crash back into the national league and going through all that pain again. Either he needs a rethink on his tactics or maybe it's time for some fresh ideas from another manager.

Quoted from Simon

Anyone seen the happy clappers  

The players have downed tools and are no longer playing for Hurst, something not right behind the scenes at the club

Don't say happy clappers they don't like it . Burying there heads again just like the time before and the time before that

My position on Hurst is hardly a secret. Today was another example of why I can't stand the mans views and style of football.

What I am most annoyed with this season is we have already wasted the positivity and prestige around the club the FA Cup run and already starting to look like the yoyo club we've become more know for recently.

A Paul Hurst side is hard to play against, defensively resillient and will die for each other on the pitch. I don't see any of the traits in this team.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Don't say happy clappers they don't like it . Burying there heads again just like the time before and the time before that

Must watch a different game to me, i'm fookin bored sensless with Hursts tactics

If we want to show any ambition, Mike Williamson is the man for the job. Has Gateshead playing unreal football, some people seem to think he's destined for higher up... well why not with us? I think we are a very attractive proposition for a manager regardless of league position with the ability in this squad. Throw the bag at him.

Quoted from 123614

I reckon that if I was to go back through all the posts {I'm not), you would be the one with more posts slagging PH off than any other poster here.

Thank you for taking notice it is apreciated..  I have not been wrong tho have i ..guess that will hurt a few  

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Don't say happy clappers they don't like it . Burying there heads again just like the time before and the time before that

.... but it isn’t black and white, it never is. Not everyone sits in the “Hurst out Brigade” or is a “Happy Clapper” - the bottom line is we’re all Mariners and want the same thing. We’re all frustrated and disappointed, it’s a real moment for introspection - and those at the helm will understand that (both administratively and on the football side).

Quoted from SouthLakesMariner

.... but it isn’t black and white, it never is. Not everyone sits in the “Hurst out Brigade” or is a “Happy Clapper” - the bottom line is we’re all Mariners and want the same thing. We’re all frustrated and disappointed, it’s a real moment for introspection - and those at the helm will understand that (both administratively and on the football side).

I’m afraid that when a post match interview just turns into a barrage of excuses then it’s near the end. There was a point where he basically threw the responsibility on the players. They’re his players, his tactics, his formation. He recruited them. The buck stops with him.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I’m afraid that when a post match interview just turns into a barrage of excuses then it’s near the end. There was a point where he basically threw the responsibility on the players. They’re his players, his tactics, his formation. He recruited them. The buck stops with him.

My thoughts exactly every game he stays in charge now will be a waste ,sometimes  in life things run there course .. we need change before the season becomes a relegation fight

Doesn't matter how many threads we get on this Stockdale will never sack him anyway.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

Doesn't matter how many threads we get on this Stockdale will never sack him anyway.

Hope not

It would be a bit odd for a part-time Radio co-commentator to sack our manager.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Hope not

It would be a bit odd for a part-time Radio co-commentator to sack our manager.

Lol

I’m not on the Hurst out bandwagon.
I have no idea why these players are not doing better, but that’s not my job.
However I won’t be rushing to BP anytime soon to watch drivel.

Quoted from denni266

The tea lady would be better than Hurst

What at ?

Remember that black cat that Holloway's other half went on about when they arrived at BP? I think PH must have run it over because the rub of the green isn't going his way at all.

For me, there has to be a certain amount of blame attached to the players, because as bad as we were today, and we were terrible; up until the sending off we had a few opportunities to take the lead and fluffed them all, then Waterfall does what he does and gets himself sent off. Had Eisa buried that chance, the whole course of the game would have changed, and that has happened far too often this season, namely missed opportunities.

Now, to my mind, Waterfall shouldn't have even started because Rodgers and Maher are a better pairing, so that can be laid at his door, but today could and should have been one of those games where we played badly, but won, and move on to the next.

There is much talk about the team from last season, and they were a never say die lot who somehow kept defying the odds, but were pretty limited technically for the most part. The squad from this season definitely contains some  better technical players but they simply are not operating as a cohesive unit as yet. We seem to be falling between two styles at the moment and maybe the players still left from last season aren't good enough to transition to a better, more possession based style, and I personally think it is mainly, but not exclusively, the midfield that is letting the side down, and although we have replaced a good few from the last campaign, we still haven't replaced enough of them to move to the next level.

Now do I think we should replace PH you may be asking? Up until now I have said he, and any manager for that matter, needs time to change a side for the better, and I always advocate that any team needs 10 to 12 games at the start of a season to bed in and play a range of opponents, both home and away. So, this being the 13th game, and against a not too threatening an opponent, we should be showing a lot more than we did today, and it's equally concerning and perplexing that were are not.

I don't think the board will sack PH, not yet anyway, but he is getting closer by the week, and I think they will see what happens for a few more games, especially with one or two of the bottom feeders coming our way, but he needs to buck up fast, and I'm on the fence myself. I'm not yet calling for his head, but if the board were to decide to part ways, I wouldn't be surprised, or if I'm honest, too bothered.

I expect I will now be labelled a deluded happy clapper, and I realise there was a bit of a sea change amongst the fans today, but I've tried to look at it in a balanced way from the fans point of view and the boards point of view, because ultimately, it's them who have to make the decision on what they see as a long term plan.

I'm a big PH fan, I have someone close to me personally that played under him the first time round and it's only ever good things to say about him.
On our current situation he said give him time, he will turn it around.
I've also been pro PH throughout, however, thank you very much Paul, you have genuinely given me the best memories of being a town fan (I'm 30...) And would always wish you the best, unlike some of our previous managers....
Now though, is the time to move on.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Something isn’t right and hasn’t been for a while. It looks like he’s lost the dressing room. Time to go.

He knows exactly where it is .

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

Doesn't matter how many threads we get on this Stockdale will never sack him anyway.

Utter rubbish. You can’t be as successful in business like JS & AP have without being ruthless when required.

And remember we’re using a data lead approach to decision making now. I can’t imagine there is much data to support the idea that Hurst is doing a decent job.

I was mildly annoyed at full-time. We played poorly. A very senior player let us down by getting a daft 2nd yellow card. And then, when we need to have a solid 5 minutes to adjust to only having 10 men, we shot ourselves in the foot head by giving the ball away by taking a risk in a stupid position and fell 1-0 behind.

But that mild annoyance turned to rage by Paul Hurst’s nonsense post match interview on BBC RH. People aren’t stupid. They know what they saw. He can try and dress it up however he likes, but we were dross and the style of football and entertainment value were even worse.

I wouldn’t mind if we sacked him now.

I can’t see anything but a humiliating defeat at Stockport. Colchester at home is a game we need like a hole in the head (against a team that’s lost 5 from 6 away) as we should 100% be winning that match. And then away at resurgent Doncaster.

His position could be completely untenable by this time on Saturday 28th October if it doesn’t get to that point before then.

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

My thoughts exactly every game he stays in charge now will be a waste ,sometimes  in life things run there course .. we need change before the season becomes a relegation fight

He has done a lot of good , I would say him going would at least keep his legacy in tact - promotion , cup run and a solid first season back in the league .

Stay on and he may well make all that great work irrelevant .

He has run his course here imo , good manager but it's time for a fresh approach for us to move forward .

Yep, Hurst Out for me. Wanted to see signs of progression and a plan today. We saw nothing, not even any fight. Thanks for everything Paul, we've had some great memories despite what some claim but you've had a very good budget for this league yet we're walking towards a relegation fight as we're getting worse. Times up.

Quoted from ginnywings

Remember that black cat that Holloway's other half went on about when they arrived at BP? I think PH must have run it over because the rub of the green isn't going his way at all.

For me, there has to be a certain amount of blame attached to the players, because as bad as we were today, and we were terrible; up until the sending off we had a few opportunities to take the lead and fluffed them all, then Waterfall does what he does and gets himself sent off. Had Eisa buried that chance, the whole course of the game would have changed, and that has happened far too often this season, namely missed opportunities.

Now, to my mind, Waterfall shouldn't have even started because Rodgers and Maher are a better pairing, so that can be laid at his door, but today could and should have been one of those games where we played badly, but won, and move on to the next.

There is much talk about the team from last season, and they were a never say die lot who somehow kept defying the odds, but were pretty limited technically for the most part. The squad from this season definitely contains some  better technical players but they simply are not operating as a cohesive unit as yet. We seem to be falling between two styles at the moment and maybe the players still left from last season aren't good enough to transition to a better, more possession based style, and I personally think it is mainly, but not exclusively, the midfield that is letting the side down, and although we have replaced a good few from the last campaign, we still haven't replaced enough of them to move to the next level.

Now do I think we should replace PH you may be asking? Up until now I have said he, and any manager for that matter, needs time to change a side for the better, and I always advocate that any team needs 10 to 12 games at the start of a season to bed in and play a range of opponents, both home and away. So, this being the 13th game, and against a not too threatening an opponent, we should be showing a lot more than we did today, and it's equally concerning and perplexing that were are not.

I don't think the board will sack PH, not yet anyway, but he is getting closer by the week, and I think they will see what happens for a few more games, especially with one or two of the bottom feeders coming our way, but he needs to buck up fast, and I'm on the fence myself. I'm not yet calling for his head, but if the board were to decide to part ways, I wouldn't be surprised, or if I'm honest, too bothered.

I expect I will now be labelled a deluded happy clapper, and I realise there was a bit of a sea change amongst the fans today, but I've tried to look at it in a balanced way from the fans point of view and the boards point of view, because ultimately, it's them who have to make the decision on what they see as a long term plan.

A very reasonable post.

In my view, that we've got better individual players than last season is becoming a cliché. It's true that Eisa, Conteh and Rodgers have been good signings. Equally though, we've lost Crocombe, Smith, McAtee, Lloyd, Emmanuel and Orsi which in my view has made us a lot weaker.

'Happy Clappers' is a excrement phrase and almost as if some are more keen to have their point proven than anything else. Reminds me of the equally excrement 'Remoaners'. In reality most people are pretty measured and those that are cautious of change have good reason to be given what we have been served up through the years. For what it is worth, some would probably have considered me to be a 'Happy Clappers' and now yes, I agree, it's just not working. May have been a bit unlucky at times in the earlier games but now there is a lack of drive and identity (despite being a strong squad I believe). So yes, sadly perhaps it's time to roll the dice again and see as there is plenty of the season to and a new manager would have a pretty decent platform. I also think Stockwood will act if it comes to the point where all harmony has been lost.

Quoted from ginnywings

Remember that black cat that Holloway's other half went on about when they arrived at BP? I think PH must have run it over because the rub of the green isn't going his way at all.

For me, there has to be a certain amount of blame attached to the players, because as bad as we were today, and we were terrible; up until the sending off we had a few opportunities to take the lead and fluffed them all, then Waterfall does what he does and gets himself sent off. Had Eisa buried that chance, the whole course of the game would have changed, and that has happened far too often this season, namely missed opportunities.

Now, to my mind, Waterfall shouldn't have even started because Rodgers and Maher are a better pairing, so that can be laid at his door, but today could and should have been one of those games where we played badly, but won, and move on to the next.

There is much talk about the team from last season, and they were a never say die lot who somehow kept defying the odds, but were pretty limited technically for the most part. The squad from this season definitely contains some  better technical players but they simply are not operating as a cohesive unit as yet. We seem to be falling between two styles at the moment and maybe the players still left from last season aren't good enough to transition to a better, more possession based style, and I personally think it is mainly, but not exclusively, the midfield that is letting the side down, and although we have replaced a good few from the last campaign, we still haven't replaced enough of them to move to the next level.

Now do I think we should replace PH you may be asking? Up until now I have said he, and any manager for that matter, needs time to change a side for the better, and I always advocate that any team needs 10 to 12 games at the start of a season to bed in and play a range of opponents, both home and away. So, this being the 13th game, and against a not too threatening an opponent, we should be showing a lot more than we did today, and it's equally concerning and perplexing that were are not.

I don't think the board will sack PH, not yet anyway, but he is getting closer by the week, and I think they will see what happens for a few more games, especially with one or two of the bottom feeders coming our way, but he needs to buck up fast, and I'm on the fence myself. I'm not yet calling for his head, but if the board were to decide to part ways, I wouldn't be surprised, or if I'm honest, too bothered.

I expect I will now be labelled a deluded happy clapper, and I realise there was a bit of a sea change amongst the fans today, but I've tried to look at it in a balanced way from the fans point of view and the boards point of view, because ultimately, it's them who have to make the decision on what they see as a long term plan.

I expected this from you and I sort of get it but now, not only are the performances excrement, which they have been for long enough, the results are going the same way.

I’m not sure what you’re watching but I’m watching a team that isn’t a team which is very non Hurst. I’m seeing player reactions that deeply concern me and I’m seeing coaches making knee jerk decisions that have no rhyme or reason. Eisa had a shocker today yet Gnahoua got pulled first, Amos and Clifton were dreadful yet played 100 minutes.

I’m sure the board will take a look and make a serious decision but I’m sure they will also want to see the improvement they promised.

He’s got to go. Biggest budget he will have to get out of league two and closer to relegation. But Stockwood will never sack him

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I’m afraid that when a post match interview just turns into a barrage of excuses then it’s near the end. There was a point where he basically threw the responsibility on the players. They’re his players, his tactics, his formation. He recruited them. The buck stops with him.

If they miss sitters and keep failing to pass the ball to a teammate , that is their responsibility.

I fear the onslaught of Sky and TV in general (with major extensions forced upon us next season) the obscene commercialism, the selfishness and worshiping of the Premier League is causing untold damage to the soul of Real Football and its Real Football Supporters.  With this in mind many of those running football clubs see no option but to at least pay lip service to so-called “modern thinking” and a ‘corporatisation’ of our clubs to the detriment of its heart & soul.

I fear in the aim to look professional/forward looking/progressive, if PH went we may see a new departure via a Director of Football/Head Coach model introduced.

I sincerely hope/wish Hurst turns it round.  I fully understand the level of frustration out there. But I fear most of all a journey down the road alluded to above

From Busby, Shankly & Clough to Ferguson, Wenger & Mourinho, to Klopp & Guardiola no one of substance would put up with not being in control.  Even at Towns level would the objectionable (but successful) Steve Evans, Crowley or Nigel Clough put up with a Director of Football.

No matter what happens the least favourable option for me is the Director of Football route, which I believe is an option under consideration……..
(red cross below !)

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I expected this from you and I sort of get it but now, not only are the performances excrement, which they have been for long enough, the results are going the same way.

I’m not sure what you’re watching but I’m watching a team that isn’t a team which is very non Hurst. I’m seeing player reactions that deeply concern me and I’m seeing coaches making knee jerk decisions that have no rhyme or reason. Eisa had a shocker today yet Gnahoua got pulled first, Amos and Clifton were dreadful yet played 100 minutes.

I’m sure the board will take a look and make a serious decision but I’m sure they will also want to see the improvement they promised.

Now that sort of sounds like an accusation, as if I'm not allowed my opinion because it doesn't jibe with yours.

"There goes the stupid sod, still defending the indefensible"

I'm watching the same as you, but reaching a different conclusion, if that's alright with you?

The prevailing mood at this time is pitchforks for PH, so doesn't really matter what I say, if it doesn't contain the two words "sack" and "manager", so think I'll leave it there for the fall out.

Quoted from ginnywings

Now that sort of sounds like an accusation, as if I'm not allowed my opinion because it doesn't jibe with yours.

"There goes the stupid sod, still defending the indefensible"

I'm watching the same as you, but reaching a different conclusion, if that's alright with you?

The prevailing mood at this time is pitchforks for PH, so doesn't really matter what I say, if it doesn't contain the two words "sack" and "manager", so think I'll leave it there for the fall out.

I expected your opinion to be different to mine, that isn’t an accusation, it’s just an observation.

On to more serious matters, are you saying you’re ok with watching that? A team that doesn’t appear to be playing for the manager. A squad that he recruited. Not acceptable.

Just a thought Holloway is still living in the area and out of work  

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I expected your opinion to be different to mine, that isn’t an accusation, it’s just an observation.

On to more serious matters, are you saying you’re ok with watching that? A team that doesn’t appear to be playing for the manager. A squad that he recruited. Not acceptable.

No, of course not: it's beyond dreadful at times, but there has also been some good stuff as well, albeit not nearly enough.

Absolutely no doubt that there is loads of room for improvement, but there is nothing to say that it won't be PH that brings about that improvement, as he's done in the past.

However, if the board decide it's time for a change, then there will be no argument from me. Matt Dean asked earlier if he still has any credit in the bank, and for me he still does, but the balance is shifting to equilibrium and won't take long to tip the other way.

Why are people taking this as an opportunity to slate our Chairman? Bizzare

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

Why are people taking this as an opportunity to slate our Chairman? Bizzare

Simple. The Chair is the ultimate boss at the club. When things are going wrong at the club he is ultimately responsible. So when that happens fair criticism seems reasonable.

Quoted from ginnywings

No, of course not: it's beyond dreadful at times, but there has also been some good stuff as well, albeit not nearly enough.

Absolutely no doubt that there is loads of room for improvement, but there is nothing to say that it won't be PH that brings about that improvement, as he's done in the past.

However, if the board decide it's time for a change, then there will be no argument from me. Matt Dean asked earlier if he still has any credit in the bank, and for me he still does, but the balance is shifting to equilibrium and won't take long to tip the other way.

I'm sorry but no, he doesn't have any credit in the bank, not now.
I believe its 4 wins in 17 games now, he's even run out of loose change from down the back of the sofa for me now.
Honestly, the football at home last season was dire, I think the run of wins towards the end masked how poor we were and bar Gillingham/Salford this season has so far been the same.
We have no style, no identity, he constantly tinkers, plays players out of form whilst in form players sit warming the bench.
Thanks for the greatest play off run and fa Cup but time for a change, we need a complete reboot and to actually see some entertaining, exciting football, at least at home.

Seems like today has been a turning point for a lot of people. That was pretty much as bad as it gets. The board talk of incremental improvements, the manager has said in the past that he can’t be sentimental about players if the club is to move forward, the same can be said about Paul.

Like others have said we’re eternally grateful for his contribution over the last few years, we’ve had more amazing moments during this period than some clubs have had in their history. But the club has to improve, and if an opportunity presents itself by way of a new and improved manager then so be it.

Keep your heads people. Hurst will turn this around and ensure we’re safe. It’s still only October and the run of fixtures is starting to ease. If we twist, a new manager will come in without having their players or identity in place.

This isn’t a Mike Newell or Ian Holloway team with a bunch of slackers or young lads out of their depth. Whilst mistakes have been made, let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water. This team is probably 2/3 players away from being a pretty decent team.

No one will be putting Hurst under more pressure to sort this out than himself.

Quoted from Simon

Just a thought Holloway is still living in the area and out of work  

Nah !  I'd still go with the Tea lady option.

If we are going to sack him this is the time. Next week is a free hit at Stockport. There is still plenty of the season left and everything to play for. A new manager can be appointed and have plenty of time to assess the squad before the next window.

The FA Cup run last season papered over a fairly disappointing league season where we picked up a few wins at the end to make it more respectable than it was. This season looks to follow a similar pattern. I can't see having more than an outside chance of ever going up. If it's stick or twist I'd rather twist because I think a few years hovering around 14th place will only see crowds go one way and eventually we'll get sucked back into the National League. At least if we're going to finish 14th every year then a more entertaining product to while away the mid-table days would help...

Quoted from davmariner

Keep your heads people. Hurst will turn this around and ensure we’re safe. It’s still only October and the run of fixtures is starting to ease. If we twist, a new manager will come in without having their players or identity in place.

This isn’t a Mike Newell or Ian Holloway team with a bunch of slackers or young lads out of their depth. Whilst mistakes have been made, let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water. This team is probably 2/3 players away from being a pretty decent team.

No one will be putting Hurst under more pressure to sort this out than himself.

We are keeping our heads but you would have to have been hiding under a rock not to see how appalling its been. Today was a big game for the manager and the players and they failed dismally.

Accrington were the worst team I've seen this season but we matched them all the way! Some of our football just leaves you incredulous at the sheer ineptness of it all. We have given Hurst every chance to succeed but despite all much fabled data analysts and backroom team we have managed to assemble a team totally lacking in pace, power and goals, a porous defence and 2 keepers neither of whom are as good as Crocombe.

Hurst has had a brilliant run but I hope we make a change to reinvigorate the team, the fanbase and start giving us an identity that we can build on in the coming years.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

I'm sorry but no, he doesn't have any credit in the bank, not now.
I believe its 4 wins in 17 games now, he's even run out of loose change from down the back of the sofa for me now.
Honestly, the football at home last season was dire, I think the run of wins towards the end masked how poor we were and bar Gillingham/Salford this season has so far been the same.
We have no style, no identity, he constantly tinkers, plays players out of form whilst in form players sit warming the bench.
Thanks for the greatest play off run and fa Cup but time for a change, we need a complete reboot and to actually see some entertaining, exciting football, at least at home.

It’s 3 wins in 17 including the Barrow shambles.

We need a manager to get the best out of this squad. Soon.

Quoted from davmariner

Keep your heads people. Hurst will turn this around and ensure we’re safe.

If that's the extent of our ambition or what we're willing to accept (just finishing above the bottom 2) after the increased budget, multiple fees paid for players etc, then that on its own merit is enough to call it a day.

Quoted from davmariner

It’s still only October and the run of fixtures is starting to ease.

Should we wait until we've played the bottom 2 teams so we can beat them and say we're too good to go down? Or do we have some interest in competing with the top half of the league? I don't get all this acceptance from many that we've had a tough start of fixtures so didn't need to be concerned by our lack of results. We want to compete with those teams, not just be defeatist and aim for mid-table.

Quoted from davmariner

If we twist, a new manager will come in without having their players or identity in place.

But we have no identity now anyway. We started the season trying to play possession football but chose to abandon that rather than get better at it and tweak bits to improve how we did it.

And regards a new manager having his own players. You could argue, in a sense, that PH doesn't have his own players (that he wants) as he doesn't seem to trust many of them to either play, or play more than one game before being dropped.

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

Why are people taking this as an opportunity to slate our Chairman? Bizzare

I back Pettit & Stockwood , seem good owners in a world of really bad one's . Now they have a decision to make and an opportunity to move us forward .

They need to get the right one ,lets see.

We got 6400 against Accrington , if we were doing well the support is there to fill the place out - that's what we need now to move us on .

We are a big club at league 2 level , no doubt about it ,  10 other clubs feel the same  probably , but we need the right man to find out what our potential is both as a fanbase and team .

John Eustace recently sacked by Birmingham did a brilliant job of getting them into play off contenders.

Quoted from Grimal

Nah !  I'd still go with the Tea lady option.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Sorry Paul you have got to go.

It's not just this season all last season home games bar one of two were dreadful.

Fans need to be entertained you have had vastly increased gates and more money and we are no better.

We are not improving from one window to the next so Jason stick to your word and let Hurst go.

I really wanted to read all 7 pages of this thread before posting but this post should sum it up for season ticket holders, let alone the poor souls fighting for a ticket. Last season AT HOME was crap (barring FA Cup). We at least had a half decent away record with a decent day out where we picked up points!
This season however….biggest budget by a country mile for years, even to come, we don’t look improved and as for the way we have been setting up. We field a team that plays exactly as a Hurst interview. Dreary, monotonous and void of any ambition! Too many people have blown smoke up the blokes bottom. We’ve had brilliant times but also a massive amount of lows.
Every transfer window we seem to have a good shuffle around. Yes PH has an eye for a talent but his stubbornness stops that talent playing to any of his strengths within a few games. It’s not just the manager but we have team of 5 first team coaches that all have played defensive positions all their careers yet we leak goals? Let alone an attack minded style of play. I don’t have a magic wand, wish I had an answer but it’s beyond me where we can from here. We have decent players for this division but not playing to strengths. Do Jason and Andrew enough contacts to make the call and get in the building what’s needed?

Time will tell….All town are we! UTM

Quoted from come_on_town

I really wanted to read all 7 pages of this thread before posting but this post should sum it up for season ticket holders, let alone the poor souls fighting for a ticket. Last season AT HOME was crap (barring FA Cup). We at least had a half decent away record with a decent day out where we picked up points!
This season however….biggest budget by a country mile for years, even to come, we don’t look improved and as for the way we have been setting up. We field a team that plays exactly as a Hurst interview. Dreary, monotonous and void of any ambition! Too many people have blown smoke up the blokes bottom. We’ve had brilliant times but also a massive amount of lows.
Every transfer window we seem to have a good shuffle around. Yes PH has an eye for a talent but his stubbornness stops that talent playing to any of his strengths within a few games. It’s not just the manager but we have team of 5 first team coaches that all have played defensive positions all their careers yet we leak goals? Let alone an attack minded style of play. I don’t have a magic wand, wish I had an answer but it’s beyond me where we can from here. We have decent players for this division but not playing to strengths. Do Jason and Andrew enough contacts to make the call and get in the building what’s needed?

Time will tell….All town are we! UTM

Seems to me that when we played in the FA Cup run (especially at home), PH let the reigns off of the players and went with a completely attacking style (hence the 5-1 agains Plymouth and 3-0 Luton), so why not do that now instead of one up front and being too scared to lose, at this moment in time it may be the only option ??

Quoted from spuggybridge

Seems to me that when we played in the FA Cup run (especially at home), PH let the reigns off of the players and went with a completely attacking style (hence the 5-1 agains Plymouth and 3-0 Luton), so why not do that now instead of one up front and being too scared to lose, at this moment in time it may be the only option ??

Fully agree but what do we know as fellow Coke drinkers ha ha

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

A Paul Hurst side is hard to play against, defensively resillient and will die for each other on the pitch. I don't see any of the traits in this team.

I honestly need more time to measure my thoughts tonight and articulate them properly.

I'm numb. Just numb from that display. The above quote goes some way to how I'm feeling. I'm at the point of wanting to leave games with some sort of pride. Be it in our effort, our style, anything.

I've dipped into anger with Hurst all evening and since the afternoon. But the players are within that train of thought too. There was some seriously half-arsed, going through the motion displays there. The manager is responsible for motivating and getting the best out of players, which he clearly isn't. But professional pride kicks in at some point.

That so many left early saved Hurst and the team a very hostile and vocal exit from the pitch.  I fear the voting will be done with feet for the Colchester game.

Don’t think there’s any way Hurst will be sacked before the end of the month and he shouldn’t be either in my opinion. However, if he was sacked would his critics be so happy they became happy clappers? Or would they still be miserable and moan about the next manager whilst finding other childish insults to throw at anyone that disagreed with them?

Tough day today. I like to think of myself not as a happy clapper, but as someone who is objective and rational in the moment, rather than letting raw emotions get the better of me.

I also consider myself a huge fan of Paul Hurst. In my 30+ years following Town, he is comfortably the second best manager we’ve had at the helm. I am eternally grateful for the memories he has given us at Wembley, Meadow Lane, the Racecourse, London Stadium, St Mary’s, and even the Amex.

So much so, having begun to read this before I set off back to Leeds tonight, I spent the whole journey home trying to come up with a robust, logic and evidence-based counter-argument. Here’s what I came up with.

Nothing. I came up with nothing. Today was up there with the kind of gutless and lacklustre performances we’ve seen in the worst of Bignot, Slade and Holloway’s reigns. Only expectations are higher now. And rightly so, because the prevailing circumstances are so much better for the manager than they were back then.

Of course, it cant be forgotten this is in no small part due to Hurst’s own good work. Where would we be today if we hadn’t got out of the National League at the first attempt? What would our playing budget have looked like if we hadn’t reached the quarter final of the FA Cup?

But herein lies the rub. Of all the reasons I could fathom as to why Hurst should remain in the dugout, 100% were based on past events. And that’s not completely devoid of logic. Sometimes the past holds clues to what might happen in the future.

But that can work both ways. Graham Rodger, new in the job in 2006, was sacked after 17 games with a PPG of 0.94. I don’t think anyone disagreed with the decision. Marcus Bignot, remembered as being calamitously inept, was sacked with a record of 1.26. Russell Slade, the infernal Russell Slade, was sacked with a PPG of 1.09 that season.

Hurst, with everything going for him that the aforementioned didn’t have, is currently on 1.08. Forget for a moment that the entertainment value has been poor, remove all subjectivity, the cold, hard numbers tell us that he is well and truly within sacking territory.

The question then becomes one of: how long do you allow a manager to dine out on yesterday’s achievements?

I don’t know the answer to that. I know what I hope. I hope Hurst gets another game. I hope we beat Stockport on their own patch next Saturday. I hope that we then kick on to the extent that in a few months’ time every dissenting voice in this thread, my own included, looks profoundly foolish.

But I see no evidence, in the present, that this will happen. If, on Monday, news breaks that Hurst has left the club, I will be surprisingly unsurprised.

I will say this, though. Should that transpire, and I have a sneaking suspicion that it just might, it can be both the right decision and a sad day.

I'm not sure where I stand on Hurst currently. We've been very frustrating to watch so far this season. We seem to be able to go toe to toe with most of the teams in the division but there constantly seems to be a missing killer touch or even an ability to pick a simple pass. I disagree with some on here that the players aren't working for Hurst. I don't think effort is an issue. We seem to be out working teams but we lack shape and players don't appear to know where their team meets are or should be.

We were the better team for most of the match today. Around the 35th min I could tell that we would likely lose though. We had the wind in the first half and we didn't take our opportunities and also didn't create as many opportunities as we should have.

I'm sure Stockwood will understand the mood around the club. If Hurst has lost the dressing room then he should go. I feel like we aren't that far from being a good team. We press teams well and win the ball back but constantly give the ball away too cheaply. Can Hurst solve that?