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BobbyCummingsTackle
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Out of interest why is someone who disagrees with black lives matter and their ideology labelled Far Right. I certainly disagree with them. But quite happy with  not today, not any day and it's predecessor say no to racism. None of which were divisive.,resulted in violence, riots, property damage and murder as it has in the states. For me the minute you put a colour before any statement it becomes racist. Can ordinary people not just have an opinion without being labelled just because their opinion is different.


Nowhere in my post does it say that people who oppose BLM are automatically 'Far Right'. What it says is "if violence did become associated with taking a knee it would be because far right groups took the opportunity to counter protest and that descended into violence"

Far Right groups have a clearly demonstrable history of counter protesting race related protests and those counter protests becoming violent, from the NF in the 70s to the BNP recently.

Disagreeing with BLM is part of a democratic process and an expression of free speech. Counter protests that descend into violence are a tactic of Far Right groups.


40+ years of black and white striped misery.
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[quote=36114]Politics has and always will be in sports.  If people are really that upset at players expressing a personal choice to send a statement over racial injustice, then maybe they should just stay away and let those who want to support the players on the pitch do so.

Well I only started this thread to find out if anyone knew how much longer “taking the knee” was to go on for. But as it’s gone on this far, I think, I obviously don’t know, that there is a great deal of pressure on people to take the knee, so as not to appear racist.
Just because you don’t go down on your knee, it doesn’t make you a racist, but reading on here, I think a lot would disagree.

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This entire thread feels like a discussion between white people.

If any of you get the chance, sit down with a black person and talk about their everyday experiences in the UK. Very few will have been violently and verbally abused because of their race but they will have been discriminated against many times every day - the way white people look at them, the subtle shifts in body language when a white person meets a black person, the subtle change of tone and words in a conversation. Many institutions that we use every day are designed by and for white people.

A black mother was interviewed on the TV recently and she said she feared for her pre-teen son because he was very close to the point where British society stopped seeing him as cute and started seeing him as a threat.

Walk a mile in a black person's shoes.


I actually work with a black person and I was surprised when he recently told me he’d only ever experienced racist abuse once in the 40 years since he moved to Grimsby, and that was from a young kid on the Nunny whilst working on a job there.
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Problem is 1300 season tickets had been sold and 3 games played before they decided to take the knee. So if people do disagree then they have paid to show their disagreement. I agree if they knew the club were  going to support a movement many people disagree with then stay away. Unfortunately they are more likely to attend and voice their disagreement as staying away after spending almost £400 is not really an option
Perhaps the club could offer refunds to those, myself included who are opposed to supporting not the message but the ideology of the movement. Lets just stick with the EFL message Not today not any day that no one could oppose
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[quote=36114]Politics has and always will be in sports.  If people are really that upset at players expressing a personal choice to send a statement over racial injustice, then maybe they should just stay away and let those who want to support the players on the pitch do so.

Well I only started this thread to find out if anyone knew how much longer “taking the knee” was to go on for. But as it’s gone on this far, I think, I obviously don’t know, that there is a great deal of pressure on people to take the knee, so as not to appear racist.
Just because you don’t go down on your knee, it doesn’t make you a racist, but reading on here, I think a lot would disagree.



I think there's a lot more pressure from those that are against the kneeling than those whom are for.  Just look at the previous games where they didn't take the knee, no one was bothered, no thread created saying they should have.  Those that are for taking the knee say it is the players choice, those against say they shouldn't take the knee and no choice should be given.

But it does raise the question if player X didn't want to take the knee would he feel like he has to? I'd like to think that within GTFC's dressing room that if a player didn't want to take a knee that he could have an open and honest conversation with the senior members of the squad (Macca, Hendrie, Waterfall and Green) to explain why and they would accept his reasoning, whilst also explaining why it is important for the player who do wish to take a knee.  

It is my belief than the players are not being cohersed into taking a knee and that they are doing it because they want to and they are showing solidarity against racism by doing so.

Edit:  If someone is so anti racisal equality then are they not racist? They are certainly against freedom of free will and personal choice.
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Problem is 1300 season tickets had been sold and 3 games played before they decided to take the knee. So if people do disagree then they have paid to show their disagreement. I agree if they knew the club were  going to support a movement many people disagree with then stay away. Unfortunately they are more likely to attend and voice their disagreement as staying away after spending almost £400 is not really an option
Perhaps the club could offer refunds to those, myself included who are opposed to supporting not the message but the ideology of the movement. Lets just stick with the EFL message Not today not any day that no one could oppose


This is not a club decision, clubs are rightly staying impartial to this and allowing the players to make their own decision. You can see from this thread what would happen if the club stated their support either for or against taking the knee. To turn your back on your club because the players want to do a symbolic gesture that hurts nobody is crazy. Whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant, we're all Grimsby Town fans, and I don't think anybody would say that they don't want equality, regardless of what the kneeling means to you or other people.
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Nowhere in my post does it say that people who oppose BLM are automatically 'Far Right'. What it says is "if violence did become associated with taking a knee it would be because far right groups took the opportunity to counter protest and that descended into violence"

Far Right groups have a clearly demonstrable history of counter protesting race related protests and those counter protests becoming violent, from the NF in the 70s to the BNP recently.

Disagreeing with BLM is part of a democratic process and an expression of free speech. Counter protests that descend into violence are a tactic of Far Right groups.


Taking a knee is associated with BLM, and they made themselves associated with violence quite a bit before any ignorant skinheads started turning up to cause trouble.
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Well I have a Nigerian friend and the only problem he has had in this country is people being afraid of offending him and so not really being themselves.
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I actually work with a black person and I was surprised when he recently told me he’d only ever experienced racist abuse once in the 40 years since he moved to Grimsby, and that was from a young kid on the Nunny whilst working on a job there.


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Well I have a Nigerian friend and the only problem he has had in this country is people being afraid of offending him and so not really being themselves.


Hilarious!


“The pace of the Megane is too leisurely to be called quick. Uphill runs become power sappingly mundane whilst overtaking National Express coaches becomes a long, drawn-out affair. Not my words, Carol, those are the words of Top Gear Magazine.”
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Hilarious!


Why?

Is this not supposed to be in the scipt? This is what he told me in a recent conversation do you think he’s lying to me?🤯
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