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September 21, 2020, 6:55pm

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Only a complete nincompoop would come up with that comparison.

Remembrance Day is to remember those who gave their lives for freedom in many wars. Poppies are sold to raise money to support the Armed Forces Community.

And to top it all it's once a year not before every frigging football match.


I think it’s quite a fair comparison. Personally I think remembrance is hugely important and I greatly appreciate the work of  those that volunteer at the British Legion. For me it’s about remembering those who suffered in wars, I often think about those who signed up to fight in WW1, the lives lost and the lives of those who came home but were irreparably damaged.
Remembering those that went to fight against the nazis, they signed up to fight the ultimate evil and thankfully prevailed. It’s also important to remember the civilian cost in all wars. It’s also important for me to remember those involved in recent just and unjust conflicts that have been killed, injured or so poorly looked after on their return to this country.  

I see wars as generally unjust or unfair as it those that haven’t caused the wars who suffer above all.

So for me it’s an easy comparison to make to racism and standing up to it. It’s important to remember that lives are lost and damaged by racism both now and throughout History. Marking that with a peaceful protest is about remembering the issue and awareness for change.
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Only a complete nincompoop would come up with that comparison.

Remembrance Day is to remember those who gave their lives for freedom in many wars. Poppies are sold to raise money to support the Armed Forces Community.

And to top it all it's once a year not before every frigging football match.


So you don't think that governments who negate their responsibilities to the armed service men and women - the folk they readily term as heroes - and leave it to charity isn't political? The amount of ex service men and women suffering terrible PTSD is a scandal. The amount of rough sleeping ex service personnel is a scandal. The amount of ex service personnel in jail is a scandal. But let's buy a poppy and wave a flag instead, eh?



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So you don't think that governments who negate their responsibilities to the armed service men and women - the folk they readily term as heroes - and leave it to charity isn't political? The amount of ex service men and women suffering terrible PTSD is a scandal. The amount of rough sleeping ex service personnel is a scandal. The amount of ex service personnel in jail is a scandal. But let's buy a poppy and wave a flag instead, eh?



Oh for felicitations sake.

Where did I mention anything about it being either political or non political.

You could say underfunding the NHS is political, underfunding the fight against Islamic extremists who go on to kill innocent people is political just about any thing could be deemed political, the point I was making  is that footballers aren't going down on one knee before every game to prove that point.
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Les Ferdinand has got this bang on the money it’s no different to the clapping for NHS, nothing more than a token gesture by the vast majority of players, it’s time to drop it now and move on for the good of the game.
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Remembrance Day is to remember those who gave their lives for freedom in many wars.


True. People fought (and died) for their freedom.

And that's what the BLM campaign is all about; for black people it's to live a life free of prejudice; to be released from centuries of being treated differently, and to achieve equality.

Freedom is to be 'liberated from the power of another'.

Black people are dying at the hands of white power. Even if they're not dying, they don't have equality. Just look at how many black footballers report racist remarks made by fans at football matches. Racism is alive; it's still happening.

So for as long as racism exists, accept there will be protests.


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Oh for felicitations sake.

Where did I mention anything about it being either political or non political.
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That’s what was being discussed when you chimed in. Do keep up...
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True. People fought (and died) for their freedom.

And that's what the BLM campaign is all about; for black people it's to live a life free of prejudice; to be released from centuries of being treated differently, and to achieve equality.

Freedom is to be 'liberated from the power of another'.

Black people are dying at the hands of white power. Even if they're not dying, they don't have equality. Just look at how many black footballers report racist remarks made by fans at football matches. Racism is alive; it's still happening.

So for as long as racism exists, accept there will be protests.


If this was the sole aim of BLM then I doubt very much if there would be very much opposition. We all like to think of having equality in society. BLM in the U.K. has gone to great lengths to distance itself from BLM USA, which is a very good thing. The problem is that BLM UK still stands for so much more than simple anti-racism. It has admitted links with extremist and undemocratic groups and its website contains statements about being born white automatically making you a racist. By all means let’s demonstrate against racism but let’s not be so naive as to think this is all that BLM is about.





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Spot on. Unfortunately there are many people on this forum who fall into the category of denying they are racist, when everything they type would suggest the total opposite.

This reminded me of many Fishy posters when I saw it.
https://newsthump.com/2020/08/.....rossing-the-channel/


Hah hah! I like the comment about the Venn diagram.

You can probably chuck in climate change deniers and Holocaust deniers in the same too.


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Interesting that les Ferdinand has come out today and said : o

‘that it was good PR but it’s message has now Been lost and is about as much use as a hashtag or a pin badge ‘

‘Taking the knee has now been diluted, much in the same way that the clap for carers ran its natural course’

The statement he makes is spot on in my opinion. It’s not that people don’t care about it, it’s lost any impact it had. For me, the likes of Lewis Hamilton have over played it meaning the good work that’s been done by the likes of Marcus rashford Is now not as effective. And if Marcus Rashford doesn’t get sports personality of the year or recognised in the New Years honours, something is amiss



https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s.....essage-has-been-lost


That’s just giving racists another fig leaf to hide behind. Take the members of this board (I’m sure other platforms also have their share too) saying they will turn their backs if Town players take the knee. That’s not the action of someone who cares about the issue. It’s the action of an angry racist.

If you’re concerned about racism but don’t think taking the knee is helpful, you sure as hell wouldn’t be turning your back. You’d shrug your shoulders maybe. But you wouldn’t be foaming at the mouth in social media about it.


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How simplistic your views are, oh there is plenty of racism in the world, having lived in moss side and stratford and witnessed it first hand, black people are not the only victims but who wants to hear about any differing views other than the media driven BLM.


Some things really are that simple.

Nobody is saying that only white people are racist. The simple fact is though that non-white people are disproportionately victims of racism in this country. If the country was run by black people, and most of the wealth was held by black people, and most police were black, and if white people had the same experience as black people do in the real world, we’d be chanting White Lives Matter. But it isn’t, so ‘BLM’.

This has nothing to do with the ‘media driven BLM’ (Whatever that means). It’s down to real life observations. If you say that there is racial equality in this country you’re either a lier or you’ve been living in cloud cuckoo land.


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