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Sandford1981
September 22, 2020, 10:48am
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When people make trite comments about walking in a black person’s shoes and about white people being institutionally racist for being born white, it shows a level of bias and hatred of humanity on a par with any and every other racist attitude.



How on earth do you get to that conclusion from what Bobby said. The mind boggles.


“The pace of the Megane is too leisurely to be called quick. Uphill runs become power sappingly mundane whilst overtaking National Express coaches becomes a long, drawn-out affair. Not my words, Carol, those are the words of Top Gear Magazine.”
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I think people are, quite blatantly, hiding behind this idea of BLM being an official organisation with a set of specific values and goals to justify withholding any support for the broad aims to the protest - nebulous as they are.

Not a problem in itself, everyone’s entitled to support or not support whatever causes they like. But I think it’s pretty clear that footballers are doing the protest to raise awareness and encourage action to be taken to address forms of systemic racism - and not because they want to abolish prisons or the concept of nations.

It’s usually from the same people that “support the message” but didn’t support removing statues celebrating slave traders.
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Are the players and the club going to take any responsibility for the problems that will arise if fans are eventually allowed in. As can be seen on here and across other football sites many are opposed tokneeling by footballers who have may or may not have any  idea what the BLM movement stand for and hope to achieve. There will certainly be arguments and possibly violence which is all down to allowing politics into sport.
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Politics has and always will be in sports.  If people are really that upset at players expressing a personal choice to send a statement over racial injustice, then maybe they should just stay away and let those who want to support the players on the pitch do so.

Edit.  Those who start the violence if any (ie those against the knee) should be held responsible not the players or the club and the fans should be banned accordingly if any violence  offence has been committed.
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Are the players and the club going to take any responsibility for the problems that will arise if fans are eventually allowed in. As can be seen on here and across other football sites many are opposed tokneeling by footballers who have may or may not have any  idea what the BLM movement stand for and hope to achieve. There will certainly be arguments and possibly violence which is all down to allowing politics into sport.


This is ridiculous!
How about individuals being responsible for their own behaviour?
If fully grown adults cannot strongly disagree without resorting to violence then they deserve to face the consequences of their actions.


“The pace of the Megane is too leisurely to be called quick. Uphill runs become power sappingly mundane whilst overtaking National Express coaches becomes a long, drawn-out affair. Not my words, Carol, those are the words of Top Gear Magazine.”
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This is ridiculous!
How about individuals being responsible for their own behaviour?
If fully grown adults cannot strongly disagree without resorting to violence then they deserve to face the consequences of their actions.


I agree with you completely but sadly there's overwhelming evidence that many adults can't disagree without resorting to violence.

I don't buy that people will resort to violence as a result of players taking a knee (I don't discount it being conceivable). Taking a knee as a protest came to prominence in the NFL a few years back and there was no violence associated with it, despite the protest taking place in cities forever associated with slavery and 'The South' and the president was openly opposed to it.

I suspect that if violence did become associated with taking a knee it would be because far right groups took the opportunity to counter protest and that descended into violence.


40+ years of black and white striped misery.
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September 22, 2020, 5:16pm
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My point is they can't. That's why we have riots and clashes between groups of differing strong opinions. If GTFC allow the situation which could cause these flash points knowing full well it could. They are corporately responsible as are the Individuals. They segregate supporters to stop violence but when that fails as at the port Vale game the. Club were also rightly castigated for allowing the situation to be possible. It can all be prevented by leaving politics and protests outside the gate. Simple
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I agree with you completely but sadly there's overwhelming evidence that many adults can't disagree without resorting to violence.


Absolutely, but to hold someone else accountable for your own behaviour is infantile.  




“The pace of the Megane is too leisurely to be called quick. Uphill runs become power sappingly mundane whilst overtaking National Express coaches becomes a long, drawn-out affair. Not my words, Carol, those are the words of Top Gear Magazine.”
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Out of interest why is someone who disagrees with black lives matter and their ideology labelled Far Right. I certainly disagree with them. But quite happy with  not today, not any day and it's predecessor say no to racism. None of which were divisive.,resulted in violence, riots, property damage and murder as it has in the states. For me the minute you put a colour before any statement it becomes racist. Can ordinary people not just have an opinion without being labelled just because their opinion is different.
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This entire thread feels like a discussion between white people.

If any of you get the chance, sit down with a black person and talk about their everyday experiences in the UK. Very few will have been violently and verbally abused because of their race but they will have been discriminated against many times every day - the way white people look at them, the subtle shifts in body language when a white person meets a black person, the subtle change of tone and words in a conversation. Many institutions that we use every day are designed by and for white people.

A black mother was interviewed on the TV recently and she said she feared for her pre-teen son because he was very close to the point where British society stopped seeing him as cute and started seeing him as a threat.

Walk a mile in a black person's shoes.


Works both ways that, I presume you have never lived in heavily populated black areas, I do not condone any racism, have friends and workmates of all ethnicities but to say walk a mile in a black persons shoes you should also try walking a mile in a white persons shoes living amongst blacks before you mount your soap box.
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