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September 25, 2020, 10:38am

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"Subtle because unlike an arm gesture it implies no obvious threat."

The thing is, you are now seeing many footballers and other sportsmen including the 'black power salute' in the 'taking of the knee'.


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Failing to read properly is even dimmer.



What threat does the BLM movement pose then? At least have the courage to say it rather than just imply it.

From what I can see, a movement for racial equality only poses a threat to those who don’t believe in the idea. Is that what you’re afraid of?
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You will probably find that most religions have surpressed some minorities not just in the past but currently especially in the Middle East.

Personally I think religion and worshiping a mythical Diety is a load of balderdash.


Wholeheartedly agree with this post.

To me, religion is just another form of oppression, along with racism, poverty, poor education and numerous other ways the majority are kept under the heel by the wealthy and privileged minority.

The world is getting more right wing and xenophobic, with people retreating behind their borders and adopting a parochial attitude toward others they don't see as "like us".

While we are fighting amongst ourselves, we are not asking the questions of our leaders that we should be asking. We even voted in a lying, racist xenophobe to rule over us. The mind boggles.
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What threat does the BLM movement pose then? At least have the courage to say it rather than just imply it.

From what I can see, a movement for racial equality only poses a threat to those who don’t believe in the idea. Is that what you’re afraid of?


If you had taken the time to read my post properly you would have seen that I implied actions are more important than gestures or symbols. Actions are a positive move but symbols and gestures can be hijacked and used to imply something totally different from the original purpose.
You ask what has Naziism got to do with BLM, well consider this. As part of the BLM movement there is a growing urge to shame families, pull down statues and re-name buildings that have any connection with past involvement in slavery and racism. On April 8th, 1933, the German Student Union proudly and fervently announced that there was to be nationwide celebration ; the burning of books which did not meet the standards of the National Socialist Third Reich. In other words re-write or eliminate history that involves anything that contradicts or opposes their political views. We also have a growing condemnation of J K Rowling for her supposed anti transgender views including calls by some people to burn her books, Jedward quoted in the Irish Press Sept 16th.


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It's not the gesture that is important but the action that counts. Like all symbolism it is meaningless without the deeds to correct the wrong. You only have to look back to Germany in the 30's to see symbolism and gestures being hijacked and used to enforce a political doctrine.


Perhaps the the biggest parallel is the right wing hatred and propaganda that is spreading. When people echo that those calling out for fairness and more equality  are the new fascists something has gone very wrong The media is owned by the super rich and works for those like themselves.
Equality  should be a right regardless of colour shade, sex or religion, everyone should have equality of opportunity, What would you say if it was your Daughter or Granddaughter mistaken 3 times in one day for a defendant rather than a solicitor because of the colour of her skin? Would you like to tell your kids they are going to be treated differently in this country their whole life because they have a different shade of skin?
My son in law is black if they have a child it will face this, the child will be seen as lesser by too many in this country because it will not be as white, if you do not thing this is wrong I pity you,
I salute those brave enough from my football club willing to take a knee to point out that this injustice is something that needs to be put right, that they kneel despite the pressure of the right wing keyboard snowflakes who fear peaceful protest in a democracy is a good thing, just as I abhor that a symbol of our club should be given to a racist at this of all times for cheap publicity
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What threat does the BLM movement pose then? At least have the courage to say it rather than just imply it.

From what I can see, a movement for racial equality only poses a threat to those who don’t believe in the idea. Is that what you’re afraid of?


The problem is that you consistently fail to read what people write and just reply with some insulting or trite comment. Several posters including me have shown what the BLM has on its official website and have pointed out its illogicalities. People have also pointed out the links between BLM and undemocratic extremist groups. If you have not bothered to read them it is useless to repeat them. If you still think BLM is a simple movement for racial equality then you are ignoring a lot of behind the scenes activity.

But in this instance the issue was not about that but about gestures and symbols ...... and it is pointed out as a truism that any gesture, symbol or manifesto used for unity and however well-meaning can be just as easily ignored or misused by the leadership.



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The problem is that you consistently fail to read what people write and just reply with some insulting or trite comment. Several posters including me have shown what the BLM has on its official website and have pointed out its illogicalities. People have also pointed out the links between BLM and undemocratic extremist groups. If you have not bothered to read them it is useless to repeat them. If you still think BLM is a simple movement for racial equality then you are ignoring a lot of behind the scenes activity.

But in this instance the issue was not about that but about gestures and symbols ...... and it is pointed out as a truism that any gesture, symbol or manifesto used for unity and however well-meaning can be just as easily ignored or misused by the leadership.



Spot on RRFC - there are none so blind as those that will not see.


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Perhaps the the biggest parallel is the right wing hatred and propaganda that is spreading. When people echo that those calling out for fairness and more equality  are the new fascists something has gone very wrong The media is owned by the super rich and works for those like themselves.
Equality  should be a right regardless of colour shade, sex or religion, everyone should have equality of opportunity, What would you say if it was your Daughter or Granddaughter mistaken 3 times in one day for a defendant rather than a solicitor because of the colour of her skin? Would you like to tell your kids they are going to be treated differently in this country their whole life because they have a different shade of skin?
My son in law is black if they have a child it will face this, the child will be seen as lesser by too many in this country because it will not be as white, if you do not thing this is wrong I pity you,
I salute those brave enough from my football club willing to take a knee to point out that this injustice is something that needs to be put right, that they kneel despite the pressure of the right wing keyboard snowflakes who fear peaceful protest in a democracy is a good thing, just as I abhor that a symbol of our club should be given to a racist at this of all times for cheap publicity


I am not a racist or condone racism. I am also intelligent enough to know that racism isn't just a one way thing. There is anti white racism in predominantly black populated countries (Zimbabwe), racism between different Asian countries (Pakistan and India).


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If you had taken the time to read my post properly


If I’d taken any more time to read your post I fear I would’ve had a stroke, as I nearly did reading your latest load of drivel.

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You ask what has Naziism got to do with BLM


No I never.

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well consider this. As part of the BLM movement there is a growing urge to shame families, pull down statues and re-name buildings that have any connection with past involvement in slavery and racism. On April 8th, 1933, the German Student Union proudly and fervently announced that there was to be nationwide celebration ; the burning of books which did not meet the standards of the National Socialist Third Reich. In other words re-write or eliminate history that involves anything that contradicts or opposes their political views. We also have a growing condemnation of J K Rowling for her supposed anti transgender views including calls by some people to burn her books, Jedward quoted in the Irish Press Sept 16th.


I have considered it and consider it to be a garbage. I’m afraid you’re beyond help if you think black people removing statues of slave traders is analogous to the burning of books described by the burners themselves as a “response to a worldwide Jewish smear campaign against Germany and an affirmation of traditional German values”.

This interview is also a decent read if you’re worried that Jedward are coming for JK Rowling’s head - https://www.newstatesman.com/i.....i-intellectual-times
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“BLM are the Nazis” is a particularly dim take, even for the low standards of this forum.


I never said "BLM are the Nazis" - obviously a misquote that you never read either!


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