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April 3, 2019, 12:14am

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Well she's gone and put the car amongst the pigeons with that offer. On the one hand Cornyn is licking his lips in glee but on the other hand he must be fearing it's all a potential trap.
Meanwhile the ERG are spitting feathers an d God knows what the level of hatred must be for her. Shame they can't do anything about it. You may remember that they backed in the no confidence vote in December and we all know, since they've told us so loudly and so often, that once you've voted on something it's impossible to change your mind and have another vote....         😂😂😂
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Wow she’s actually sunken to new depths after a 7hour lock in with her cabinet she then decides to ask a fuckin committed Marxist for help!


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Corbyn is a moderate social democrat, not a Marxist. As I've noted many times in the past, most of his policies wouldn't look too much out of place in a Conservative Party manifesto from the 1970s, before Thatcher got her grubby claws on power, of course. Look at all of the successful Scandinavian economies to see what sensible social democratic policies can do. Not our corrupt and rigged version of capitalism.

Back to the topic in hand, this move from May strikes me as just another attempt to save the Tory Party. If Labour get involved in any agreement, the blame game from those unhappy with the outcome will be shared between the two parties. Unfortunately, too many people just aren't aware enough not to fall for this ploy.

If no agreement can be made, May will attempt to shift some of the blame onto Corbyn/Labour so they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

However, the Tories have made such a excrement show of things that, on balance, it would be better for the national interest if Labour did help to get a more sensible agreement of some sort through parliament. You can only let the Tories intercourse things up for so long when the future of the country is at stake and, by God, they've been doing their very best to intercourse it up for a decade now.
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May asking Corbyn what to do, you couldn’t make this stuff up.  Unfortunately she is 2 years too late, the Tories are in meltdown over this, there supporters who were crying about Labour deselection are now being infiltrated by UK on a massive scale and those who are remain or softer brexitare going to facevotes of no confidence.  Labour will be unlikely to trust May who has lied and deceived at every turn.
Hopefully an election soon so Corbyn can sort out this Chaos
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Actually agree with some of what you say this time Maringer but when Corbyn’s own shadow chancellor says his leader is a Marxist and that the party is now strongly influenced by Marxism then I fail to to see what you’re missing, despite what you like to think and say it’s always best from the horses mouth.

I’ve told you before the Scandinavian model is a poor argument to compare!
It just wouldn’t work here much smaller country amongst other reasons I’ve covered this with you.

May is politically copulated now so looking to take Corbyn down with her to deludedly believe it will save her party in a general election.


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I suspect the talks with Corbyn might be about pressuring the ERG into supporting her original deal. She can hold talks, come away saying we might have a way forward but to a very soft, unsatisfactory Brexit then say to the ERG you've got two choices.....I've still seen nothing that makes me think she wants anything other than her own deal.
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Actually agree with some of what you say this time Maringer but when Corbyn’s own shadow chancellor says his leader is a Marxist and that the party is now strongly influenced by Marxism then I fail to to see what you’re missing, despite what you like to think and say it’s always best from the horses mouth.

I’ve told you before the Scandinavian model is a poor argument to compare!
It just wouldn’t work here much smaller country amongst other reasons I’ve covered this with you.

May is politically copulated now so looking to take Corbyn down with her to deludedly believe it will save her party in a general election.


I don't think McDonnell has ever claimed Corbyn is a Marxist, has he? I know Corbyn has never claimed to be one himself.

I know McDonnell has described himself as such in the past, but he clearly isn't, given his policy aims and other things he's said/done. I suppose it really depends on what you mean by Marxist. Is he a classical Marxist and thinks the state should take control of the means of production? Doubt it. Does he think the critique of Capitalism by Marx is correct? Probably. And you'd have to say that the way the world economy has been reshaped since the 1980s seems to be proving Marx correct so far. However, I don't imagine it will inevitably lead to a popular revolution and universal move to socialism and I doubt McDonnell thinks that either. Too many levers of power for the establishment to use to keep control these days, but there's no doubt that Capitalism continues to eat itself at an increasing rate, especially as so many of the checks and balances of government have been removed in the neoliberal era.

I don't recall seeing you posting anything about the Nordic model, though I certainly might have forgotten. Needless to say, I disagree that a larger state couldn't work in the UK - if you can point me towards your post (and can remember where it is!) I'll take a look.

One other point is that it could well be that May's latest ploy is just a shady way of deliberately trying to force her deal through. If we're going to have a longer extension, we'll have to legislate by 12th April to enable us to hold European elections which are an absolute requirement of us remaining in the EU for even a shorter amount of time. If we aren't able to hold EU elections on 23rd May, then we're out either with May's deal or no deal, because the European Parliament would be illegally constituted if we don't have MEPs there, even if just for a few months until an exit. Given how dishonest and devious May has been thus far, I wouldn't put it past her to be claiming to want talks with Corbyn while actually acting in bad faith to try and waste time. Here's an article about this possibility:

https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/04/02/no-10-statement-look-out-for-theresa-may-s-no-deal-trap
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I wouldn't worry about Corbyn him and May will just go through the motions of pretending to find common ground, and of course fail which will push responsibility back to parliament. It's Monday where the action will all happen. May is in charge now so she'll pick a voting process which will give as much chance of her deal coming out top, and remember something has to win. Hats off for her if she gets her deal through. There's going to be a massive amount of tactical voting, and it could sneak through in first place, maybe with a confirmatory referendum attached to it.


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Corbyn  has been called a Marxist by at least 2 MP's today so there must be some truth in there somewhere.


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Quoted from grimsby pete
Corbyn  has been called a Marxist by at least 2 MP's today so there must be some truth in there somewhere.


Like MPs have never lied.

I don't know if he is a Marxist or not, but you've got to pick a better test than that Pete.


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