That is simply an outright lie. Both the Conservative and Labour parties policies is to deliver Brexit for a start so a substantial number of their votes will support Brexit . Some of the Lib Dem votes will be for other things rather than Brexit; ditto with the Green party.
They gained 20% more of the vote between them than they did last time, I bet most who voted for them didn’t even know any other policies they had.
An independent self governing country can do anything it likes; in any event the EU say they wont put up a border, we won't put up a border and Ireland wont put up a border.
We voted to leave by a substantial majority and that means leaving all the institutions of the EU - or what you would presumably call a "Farage Brexit"
It was a UK wide referendum by the way.
Unfortunately an independent nation can't just do what it wants. If we don't put customs checks on EU goods coming from via Ireland we can't put custom checks on any country in the world so we leave ourselves open to poor quality goods being imported.
If we don't put tariffs on goods such as steel from the EU. We can't put tariffs on rediculously cheap steel from China. This would be another knife in the back for Scunthorpe.
It really isn't simple. If we leave the EU we have to abide by rules still. The WTO makes sure of that. They are less stringent but still exist.
I really think there were legitimate reasons to vote leave but no deal really is a crazy idea. It would leave us in a huge state of limbo with very few cards to play. The EU will definitely lose out from no deal Brexir but countries like Germany will still have 70 counties to sell goods to tariff free. The UK would have around 10 with the current number of trade deals signed. Just on population the UK represnts a market of 65 million which a country like Germany will no longer have tariff free access to but the UK loses access to a market of 430 million people.
It does look like the choice will come down to no deal vs remain. I hope when this time comes, politicians are honest with the general population about the consequences of a no deal option.
It does look like the choice will come down to no deal vs remain. I hope when this time comes, politicians are honest with the general population about the consequences of a no deal option.
I think there are lots of politicians that are being honest about the consequences of no deal, but they are just being shouted down as remoaners or scaremongers. There is no persuading brexiteers I'm afraid, so we are going to have to live through it until the penny drops and we go back cap in hand to the EU in 7-10 years time. I bet any money that the brexit supporters will be the first to blame politicians for not explaining the consequences when the true reality hits their pocket.
Out of interest how would you counter the arguments Rory Stewart makes in this video?
Staunch defender of May’s surrender deal! Wants a national slogan of ‘just get on with it’ and how you going to get on with it Rory? ‘Oh a people’s assembly of 500 people’ WTF
Asked on question time last night what if the 500 hundred majority vote for no deal then what Rory? .....urm ......urm
The man is a clown who shouldn’t be anywhere near government.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Promise a man someone else's fish and he votes Labour.
Unfortunately an independent nation can't just do what it wants. If we don't put customs checks on EU goods coming from via Ireland we can't put custom checks on any country in the world so we leave ourselves open to poor quality goods being imported.
If we don't put tariffs on goods such as steel from the EU. We can't put tariffs on rediculously cheap steel from China. This would be another knife in the back for Scunthorpe.
It really isn't simple. If we leave the EU we have to abide by rules still. The WTO makes sure of that. They are less stringent but still exist.
I really think there were legitimate reasons to vote leave but no deal really is a crazy idea. It would leave us in a huge state of limbo with very few cards to play. The EU will definitely lose out from no deal Brexir but countries like Germany will still have 70 counties to sell goods to tariff free. The UK would have around 10 with the current number of trade deals signed. Just on population the UK represnts a market of 65 million which a country like Germany will no longer have tariff free access to but the UK loses access to a market of 430 million people.
It does look like the choice will come down to no deal vs remain. I hope when this time comes, politicians are honest with the general population about the consequences of a no deal option.
The pre-referendum lie by Cameron et al was that the UK would leave the customs union and single market if the vote was leave, with the implication that this would be a straight forward process. Not a duplicitous lie, they just hadn't thought through the consequences for the Good Friday Agreement, probably because they thought the vote would be remain. Out of any country in Europe, a UK departure is probably the most complicated - it's in the name - we are a united kingdom of 4 nations, with some different laws in N Ireland and Scotland. N.Ireland and Scotland were never going to vote for Brexit and the majorities for Remain were much bigger than the overall leave majority. Tony Blair actually flagged the NI issue pre-referendum and the UK government ignored it and then May stupidly created her red lines that exacerbated the issue. Millions of people voted for Brexit because of the impact of austerity and seeing Polish people ahead of them in the queue at A and E or the doctor's surgery, or for jobs on building sites. Pre-referendum, millions of people who voted leave did not give a flying feck about being in a customs union, they'd never heard of it and didn't have clue what it is. Now we have government in cahoots with a bunch of religous fascists who don't represent the majority view in Northern Ireland and garner votes by historical scaremongering about invasion by papists. Moderate unionist opinion in NI has created a potential majority for a united Ireland. That will be eventual outcome of no-deal. May twigged this too late and that's why she is now firmly in the anti-no-deal camp.
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. Promise a man someone else's fish and he votes Labour.
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