The truth of hillsborough

Quoted from marinette

I'm surprised at some things that have come out of this.

I'm surprised that the cover-up has been exposed at all.  I would have thought that if documents had been falsified or destroyed then the perpetrators would have made a good job of it and no evidence or trace would have been left behind.  It kind of gives me hope that the truth has still managed to find its way out officially, in spite of everything.

The other thing that surprises me is that lives could have been saved if the emergency services had reacted more quickly.  I'm not naive about the police - I've witnessed police behaviour that has shocked me in the past, and I have direct experience of the way Liverpool fans were shoved around and treated like scum, but I  still cannot really believe that the police would deliberately deny access to medical attention when a large number of people were clearly dying right in front of their eyes.  Was it that there were not enough medical people / ambulances available at the time to deal with the numbers?  And if so, whose fault was that?

If there was a cover up over this - if the media and the state can collaborate in such a way to deliberately deceive the general population - how many other cover ups have there been that we don't know about?  Are things going to change and become more open?  

Liverpool fans, on the day, actually did more to save people's lives than the police, when the tragedy was first unfolding.  That is a fact.  And yet it was Liverpool fans who were forced to collectively take the blame.  I can understand that mistakes were made, I can understand why the authorities were afraid of the consequences - but I can't forgive them for dishonestly trying to apportion the blame onto others, who were suffering enough.  That's unforgiveable.

Quoted from marinette

I'm surprised at some things that have come out of this.

I'm surprised that the cover-up has been exposed at all.  I would have thought that if documents had been falsified or destroyed then the perpetrators would have made a good job of it and no evidence or trace would have been left behind.  It kind of gives me hope that the truth has still managed to find its way out officially, in spite of everything.

The other thing that surprises me is that lives could have been saved if the emergency services had reacted more quickly.  I'm not naive about the police - I've witnessed police behaviour that has shocked me in the past, and I have direct experience of the way Liverpool fans were shoved around and treated like scum, but I  still cannot really believe that the police would deliberately deny access to medical attention when a large number of people were clearly dying right in front of their eyes.  Was it that there were not enough medical people / ambulances available at the time to deal with the numbers?  And if so, whose fault was that?

If there was a cover up over this - if the media and the state can collaborate in such a way to deliberately deceive the general population - how many other cover ups have there been that we don't know about?  Are things going to change and become more open?  

Liverpool fans, on the day, actually did more to save people's lives than the police, when the tragedy was first unfolding.  That is a fact.  And yet it was Liverpool fans who were forced to collectively take the blame.  I can understand that mistakes were made, I can understand why the authorities were afraid of the consequences - but I can't forgive them for dishonestly trying to apportion the blame onto others, who were suffering enough.  That's unforgiveable.

Quoted from marinette

The other thing that surprises me is that lives could have been saved if the emergency services had reacted more quickly.  I'm not naive about the police - I've witnessed police behaviour that has shocked me in the past, and I have direct experience of the way Liverpool fans were shoved around and treated like scum, but I  still cannot really believe that the police would deliberately deny access to medical attention when a large number of people were clearly dying right in front of their eyes.  Was it that there were not enough medical people / ambulances available at the time to deal with the numbers?  And if so, whose fault was that?

Quoted from ExLeightonMariner

I feel very very sad for the families of the 96.  I watched the dreadful scenes live on tv and it was truly horrific.  But here we are many many years on, is it really about closure or is it now about finding someone accountable so that massive compensation claims can be lodged?  That's a question by the way, not a statement.

Quoted from Gary Haddock

I think for most, it's so that everyone knows the truth instead of being lead to believe lies. Liverpool fans had been made to look the villains, when it wasn't them at all and the cover ups, there was many laws broken, and the culprits should be brought to justice.

Quoted from ExLeightonMariner

I feel very very sad for the families of the 96.  I watched the dreadful scenes live on tv and it was truly horrific.  But here we are many many years on, is it really about closure or is it now about finding someone accountable so that massive compensation claims can be lodged?  That's a question by the way, not a statement.

Quoted from ExLeightonMariner

So there won't be a deluge of compensation claims then?

Quoted from ska face

That's a fairly classless thing to say when there are families who had to bury their flipping children and have spent the last 23 years hearing how it was all their own fault.