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I watched it on itv and as a Liverpool fan i shall be eagerly awaiting the verdict tomorrow, to be fair to pc david duckenfield he didn't mean for people to die and it isn't his fault he was so inexperienced, but he shouldn't of lied, also one person who lost his 2 daughters went to get a coffee and went into a side pen, that probably saved his life, reminds of alfreton away last season
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Marinerz93 |
September 11, 2012, 8:20am |
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Overall blame lays with the Police for opening the gates no doubt but those pushing to get in and be honest it happened at every big game including ones for Town are to blame too. I don't see why an inquiry was needed. There is blame on both sides, partially with those fans who were saying heave and pushing and the majority of blame lays at the feet of the Police for not policing those out side the ground and opening the gates.
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Super Clive |
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Just argued on facebook with someone who still believes it was the fans fault. The fans just wanted to get in and out of the crush taking place at the gates. How is that their fault? They went where the police told them to go. And going by the documentary the police ignored cries for help before they opened the gates and even when they did open the gates they still ignored the cries for help. The truth needs to be told to let the people who still blame the fans know that it wasn't their fault at all. R.I.P. 96.
It seems you argue alot on Facebook, Jeremy Kyle's ideal guest? I agree though it was never the fans fault.
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RoboCod |
September 11, 2012, 8:53am |
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Overall blame lays with the Police for opening the gates no doubt but those pushing to get in and be honest it happened at every big game including ones for Town are to blame too. I don't see why an inquiry was needed. There is blame on both sides, partially with those fans who were saying heave and pushing and the majority of blame lays at the feet of the Police for not policing those out side the ground and opening the gates.
The serious issues need addressing, if it's what the families of those who lost loved ones want then that's a good enough reason for one I think. The blame that was laid at the fans feet which was later disproven, the missing CCTV tape, the awful conclusion that the fatalities had all stopped breathing by 3.15, later disproven, the decision to kick off on time while a huge crowd was still waiting to get in through an ancient turnstyle system into a ground lacking a valid safety certificate, the one single ambulance that made it through and a whole load of other mistakes and quite deliberate actions that compounded this tragedy all of which are now officially documented and viewable. Hopefully this will all be finally addressed and the families at least can move on a little and the yearly blame game will stop. That's all that one can realistically hope for.
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Marinerz93 |
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The serious issues need addressing, if it's what the families of those who lost loved ones want then that's a good enough reason for one I think. The blame that was laid at the fans feet which was later disproven, the missing CCTV tape, the awful conclusion that the fatalities had all stopped breathing by 3.15, later disproven, the decision to kick off on time while a huge crowd was still waiting to get in through an ancient turnstyle system into a ground lacking a valid safety certificate, the one single ambulance that made it through and a whole load of other mistakes and quite deliberate actions that compounded this tragedy all of which are now officially documented and viewable.
Hopefully this will all be finally addressed and the families at least can move on a little and the yearly blame game will stop. That's all that one can realistically hope for.
Fair points RoboCod an excellently put across.
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Alfie |
September 11, 2012, 8:59am |
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I watched it on itv and as a Liverpool fan i shall be eagerly awaiting the verdict tomorrow, to be fair to pc david duckenfield he didn't mean for people to die and it isn't his fault he was so inexperienced, but he shouldn't of lied, also one person who lost his 2 daughters went to get a coffee and went into a side pen, that probably saved his life, reminds of alfreton away last season
My lord, you're a moron.
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crusty ole pie |
September 11, 2012, 10:36am |
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I always feel that the main fault was the design of the stand limitless amount of people entering by a tunnel onto a top feeding stand pure recipe for disaster and the fencing fans were treat no better then convicts in those days
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louth_in_the_south |
September 11, 2012, 10:48am |
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One of the worst parts of the hillsborough tragedy was seeing hundreds , if not more , Liverpool fans jumping the turnstiles at the 2 European cup finals they got to after . I would've thought that Liverpool fans would've been the last to do this with such a tragedy in living memory for those fans .
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roundballovalhole |
September 11, 2012, 11:10am |
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It wasn't the Liverpool fans' fault. . .
Heysel. . . That was their fault!
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ROKERITE |
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Of course, at the time, there was a fair bit of trouble surrounding football in general, relating to the behaviour of some so-called fans, so it's probably not surprising that the police were unsympathetic to people who wanted to get onto the pitch. It's clear to me that those police weren't aware of the seriousness of the situation or of the tragedy that was unfolding. I think the main problem was lack of communication between the police / stewards outside the ground and those inside it. But anyway, in my mind I relate Hillsborough to football violence - I see the two as interconnected, but not in an obvious way. I detest the stupid glorification that we hear now of the violence surrounding football before Hillsborough - in my opinion, that violence led indirectly to real tragedy in the end. If people (and I'm referring to the minority who were always looking for trouble) had behaved like civilised human beings, there would have been no need to put up those cages to segregate supporters and it would have been so much easier for the victims to escape from the Leppings Lane End.
A very sensible post Marinette. It seems to me there is a vindictive desire amongst many to find someone (preferably the police or government) to blame for the tragedy.There isn't someONE to blame, there are many, and none had any idea of the horrific result of their actions.
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