Artell Out  (triple merged)

Quoted from friskneymariner

Confuscius says''he who rides on the back of a tiger,cannot ever dismount''

Confuscius also say "inventor of shag carpet make big pile"

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Sooner or later the players will lose belief in what Artell is trying to do then we’re in even deeper sh1t.

They already have lost belief
So have the fans

I don't understand why Artell isn't more pragmatic. He can't be that thick surely? Every single team we play knows that we will struggle to move the ball from the defence into midfield so are happy to let our defenders have it. They also know that if they press when there's a longer or slower pass or a bad touch, that our spineless players will panic and gift them chances.

We're not Man City. We don't have an enormous team of fantastic coaches, a bottomless pit of money and one of the strongest squads that club football has ever seen. We have to be more pragmatic and limit our weaknesses. Maybe in the future, with the correct players, it will be possible to play like this but right now we're just gifting goals every week.

I wonder if Artell's relative success at Crewe has warped his perception of his own coaching ability. He had a squad supplemented by a large amount of youth players that are all playing Championship football now. Good, technical players who have been coached to play this way since childhood. But we're not Crewe. We don't have good technical players, we've mostly got players that have no bottle and often aren't particularly good at the basics. If he wants to save his job he needs to stop being so stubborn. I'd give him a week and if we haven't got at least three points from the next two games then he's got to go.

And people said Hurst was stubborn 😂😂😂

Quoted from mariner91

I don't understand why Artell isn't more pragmatic. He can't be that thick surely? Every single team we play knows that we will struggle to move the ball from the defence into midfield so are happy to let our defenders have it. They also know that if they press when there's a longer or slower pass or a bad touch, that our spineless players will panic and gift them chances.

We're not Man City. We don't have an enormous team of fantastic coaches, a bottomless pit of money and one of the strongest squads that club football has ever seen. We have to be more pragmatic and limit our weaknesses. Maybe in the future, with the correct players, it will be possible to play like this but right now we're just gifting goals every week.

I wonder if Artell's relative success at Crewe has warped his perception of his own coaching ability. He had a squad supplemented by a large amount of youth players that are all playing Championship football now. Good, technical players who have been coached to play this way since childhood. But we're not Crewe. We don't have good technical players, we've mostly got players that have no bottle and often aren't particularly at the basics. If he wants to save his job he needs to stop being so stubborn. I'd give him a week and if we haven't got at least three points from the next two games then he's got to go.

I subscribe to this belief. He was given an incredibly talented Alex side that were technical and could move the ball, so he went with it, thinking that he's a technical genius. Now he's got a dog excrement Grimsby side that can't hit barn door with a banjo and he's trying to make them Pirouettes with a club foot.

Rejecting any change and sticking to his way - even when clearly failing.  His post-match comments infuriate fans again when he still thinks he is right.  And will attempt to prove his case with selected evidence and dis-jointed views.  We are too good to go down.

Quoted from mariner91

I don't understand why Artell isn't more pragmatic. He can't be that thick surely?

I don’t think Artell is “thick” at all and if you want “pragmatic” then we had that in Hurst, in spades. Hurst recruited for and attempted to play a more attractive style of football at the beginning of this season. I’m sure he was happy with his close season business, as many of us seemed to be at the time. In his interviews discussing signings, he was literally beaming like a Cheshire Cat. You could even argue that Hurst believed he had recruited the type of player capable of playing in the style Artell now wants to adopt!

But, it soon became apparent to all that the new and existing players were not suited to a more passing style of play and being pragmatic Hurst soon returned to type. But we all know how that turned out!

I’ll be honest, I know didley squat about football tactics. But, there are numerous posts saying if Artell could just change this, tweak that, play to strengths etc. Surely though it’s not that easy and as simple as that, as The pragmatic and experienced Hurst realised to his peril?

Quoted from DB

Even starting to sound like him as it's everybody's fault we lose but his.

Wonder if he has got a dart board for "bonding"

First one minute, listen to what he says.

Quoted from heppy88

I don’t think Artell is “thick” at all and if you want “pragmatic” then we had that in Hurst, in spades. Hurst recruited for and attempted to play a more attractive style of football at the beginning of this season. I’m sure he was happy with his close season business, as many of us seemed to be at the time. In his interviews discussing signings, he was literally beaming like a Cheshire Cat. You could even argue that Hurst believed he had recruited the type of player capable of playing in the style Artell now wants to adopt!

But, it soon became apparent to all that the new and existing players were not suited to a more passing style of play and being pragmatic Hurst soon returned to type. But we all know how that turned out!

I’ll be honest, I know didley squat about football tactics. But, there are numerous posts saying if Artell could just change this, tweak that, play to strengths etc. Surely though it’s not that easy and as simple as that, as The pragmatic Hurst realised to his peril?

There must be a happy medium between Hurst's ultra defensive, keep your shape to the detriment of any attacking intent approach from earlier this season and the passing ourselves into trouble in our defensive third that Artell is insisting we play. Even when we're passing it across the back, it's so slow and predictable that it creates nothing. The whole idea of playing out from the back as far as I can tell is A) if you've got the ball, you're in control and B) moving it quickly disrupts the shape of the opposition to create space to attack. But we don't move it quickly and the showing from the midfield is non-existent. So if you're the manager and presumably can see the same things that the rest of us can namely that our defenders aren't good enough on the ball and panic when under pressure and that our midfielders don't move to receive it to feet then why keep playing that way?! If done well then playing that way creates more chances for you than it causes problems but the issue is that we're abysmal at it currently.