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IlkleyMariner
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Town had a contract. He could have sat back and got paid to play gold. If he was paid off in full, it doesn't mean we didn't have to pay, we just paid our obligations to him sooner. If we have agreed to pay him salary until x date, we owe him that money unless we strike up a deal to say we can pay upfront if you accept a bit less, but I cannot imagine it's that much less. Who doesn't want a holiday?

Unless town have a magic money tree, I'm assuming it came out of the company accounts, the same ones that covers salaries, transfer fees and ground costs, and it'll be same if we bump off another manager.



I don’t know the details of PH contract, but it’s not unusual that payment stops once the manager gets another job in football.

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I don’t know the details of PH contract, but it’s not unusual that payment stops once the manager gets another job in football.



Does that make sense to you? Paid to play golf, and if you accept working 6 days per week, you say goodbye to what you're owed? I'm assuming it's paid in lump sum to simplify the payroll, and hand over the p45 or whatever. Perhaps it's less because coach is going to get more money anyway, but I cannot imagine our obligations vanish. It would mean no manager would ever step down to a lower salary when out of work...
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Town had a contract. He could have sat back and got paid to play gold. If he was paid off in full, it doesn't mean we didn't have to pay, we just paid our obligations to him sooner. If we have agreed to pay him salary until x date, we owe him that money unless we strike up a deal to say we can pay upfront if you accept a bit less, but I cannot imagine it's that much less. Who doesn't want a holiday?

Unless town have a magic money tree, I'm assuming it came out of the company accounts, the same ones that covers salaries, transfer fees and ground costs, and it'll be same if we bump off another manager.


If he didn't come to an arrangement on his contract then when he went to manage another club his contract with us ceases and we stop paying him. Alternatively if he has done a deal with us he is free to take that money and get another job in management. I don't know how much we would have had to pay him in such a deal but a fair way short of 100 percent or else why bother. It can still work out enormously beneficial for both parties as would be the case now he has another job.
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Most likely scenario there was a full and final settlement . He gets a lump sum or deferred payments which is less then full value of remaining contract but is free to get another job and benefit from a new salary . Where the settlement is pitched is a matter for negotiation and on PH side would depend on how confident he would be off getting another job. Same for Doug as well don’t forget. Either way it will have cost us a fair bit and with JS dropping hints about his children’s inheritance the odds of disposing of Artell as well are slim short of total meltdown.
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Most likely scenario there was a full and final settlement . He gets a lump sum or deferred payments which is less then full value of remaining contract but is free to get another job and benefit from a new salary . Where the settlement is pitched is a matter for negotiation and on PH side would depend on how confident he would be off getting another job. Same for Doug as well don’t forget. Either way it will have cost us a fair bit and with JS dropping hints about his children’s inheritance the odds of disposing of Artell as well are slim short of total meltdown.


Hopefully there is a performance-linked clause in the contract that means we don't have to compensate Artell if he takes us down.
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Most likely scenario there was a full and final settlement . He gets a lump sum or deferred payments which is less then full value of remaining contract but is free to get another job and benefit from a new salary . Where the settlement is pitched is a matter for negotiation and on PH side would depend on how confident he would be off getting another job. Same for Doug as well don’t forget. Either way it will have cost us a fair bit and with JS dropping hints about his children’s inheritance the odds of disposing of Artell as well are slim short of total meltdown.


that's what I'm led to believe was the situation, and much as it pains me to say it   , I agree with Herve
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Town had a contract. He could have sat back and got paid to play gold. If he was paid off in full, it doesn't mean we didn't have to pay, we just paid our obligations to him sooner. If we have agreed to pay him salary until x date, we owe him that money unless we strike up a deal to say we can pay upfront if you accept a bit less, but I cannot imagine it's that much less. Who doesn't want a holiday?

Unless town have a magic money tree, I'm assuming it came out of the company accounts, the same ones that covers salaries, transfer fees and ground costs, and it'll be same if we bump off another manager.


It cost the club north of £500,000 to pay off Paul and Chris.
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It cost the club north of £500,000 to pay off Paul and Chris.


If true, no wonder Hurst is still so magnanimous about Jason and Andrew.
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If true, no wonder Hurst is still so magnanimous about Jason and Andrew.


Keeping his options open for his third spell here in the summer if Shrewsbury and us are relegated.
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Most likely scenario there was a full and final settlement . He gets a lump sum or deferred payments which is less then full value of remaining contract but is free to get another job and benefit from a new salary . Where the settlement is pitched is a matter for negotiation and on PH side would depend on how confident he would be off getting another job. Same for Doug as well don’t forget. Either way it will have cost us a fair bit and with JS dropping hints about his children’s inheritance the odds of disposing of Artell as well are slim short of total meltdown.


He's had big gaps between jobs but took this one quite quickly. Read into that what you will but would suggest he wasn't on gardening leave.


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