To the Owners (merged)

What is a negative comment?

Wanting improvement in performances, results and a new manager are positive comments in my book.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Just a theory but here goes….

Artell allowed an open conversation with the players after the game yesterday and some home truths were raised by senior squad members. He then talks to the owners last night/this morning (maybe both) and admits that he’s made some mistakes and asks them for a chance to change things and they’ve agreed to it on the basis that he’s got a relatively short window (of the owners discretion) in which to turn things round.

I can’t imagine that they will allow this to run and run.

I like the idea but do we have the time to indulge in this? He has failed in his time here so just get rid. I like the guy but it's a matter of nice bloke at the wrong time.

Quoted from DB

I like the idea but do we have the time to indulge in this? He has failed in his time here so just get rid. I like the guy but it's a matter of nice bloke at the wrong time.

I don’t disagree with you - he would have gone last night for me - I was just trying to theorise why he didn’t.

He didn't because jason doesn't want to be like swann but sometimes even as a businessman you have to admit your errors of judgement

I wouldn’t have used the phrase ‘negative comments’ and I’m surprised JS did. He’s articulate and reflective usually, so I’m surprised he didn’t prefer something like ‘understandable frustrations’ or ‘angry and disappointed reactions’ or some such. Perhaps he was referring specifically to the verbal abuse DA received  from some attendees at the game ? Ok, we can probably all agree that verbal abuse is unpleasant and unwanted, and universally agreeable as negative, but why only mention them and not the thousands of others who have shared their feelings and views and dissatisfaction in other legitimate ways? Surely we are the majority.

If he does sense ‘negativity’ and reflects on that, then surely he can’t escape the conclusion that he has to expunge that. Negativity breeds failure and it’s an ugly look for an organisation with your name as responsible owner. This is how he seems to think. Failure, anger, negativity, humiliation, are not aspects of a ‘culture and environment’ they would associate with. Got to end it and only one way. If not - next game we lose, and it all comes back. If it’s at home it’ll be twice as bad. Twice as abusive. Twice as loud. Twice as prevalent.  It’s over already between the supporters and the manager. Patience has run out. It’s already an overdrawn account.

No, the only way to survive is to create conditions in which we can actually rally around the cause and stick together, even if we lose. We’ve got to be able to lose and react and bounce back without poisoning our own water, as it were. it’s the only way to have a team spirit, and to grind out a few more points.  

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I don’t disagree with you - he would have gone last night for me - I was just trying to theorise why he didn’t.

You, me and over 80% of The Fishy.

Quoted from chaos33

I wouldn’t have used the phrase ‘negative comments’ and I’m surprised JS did. He’s articulate and reflective usually, so I’m surprised he didn’t prefer something like ‘understandable frustrations’ or ‘angry and disappointed reactions’ or some such. Perhaps he was referring specifically to the verbal abuse DA received  from some attendees at the game ? Ok, we can probably all agree that verbal abuse is unpleasant and unwanted, and universally agreeable as negative, but why only mention them and not the thousands of others who have shared their feelings and views and dissatisfaction in other legitimate ways? Surely we are the majority.

If he does sense ‘negativity’ and reflects on that, then surely he can’t escape the conclusion that he has to expunge that. Negativity breeds failure and it’s an ugly look for an organisation with your name as responsible owner. This is how he seems to think. Failure, anger, negativity, humiliation, are not aspects of a ‘culture and environment’ they would associate with. Got to end it and only one way. If not - next game we lose, and it all comes back. If it’s at home it’ll be twice as bad. Twice as abusive. Twice as loud. Twice as prevalent.  It’s over already between the supporters and the manager. Patience has run out. It’s already an overdrawn account.

No, the only way to survive is to create conditions in which we can actually rally around the cause and stick together, even if we lose. We’ve got to be able to lose and react and bounce back without poisoning our own water, as it were. it’s the only way to have a team spirit, and to grind out a few more points.  

The whole tweet surprised me. The decision, the tone, the language and the fact that it even appeared at all.

Quoted from chaos33

It’s over already between the supporters and the manager. Patience has run out. It’s already an overdrawn account.
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I think this is the really key point. I'm already sick of hearing him and his BS in interviews as, it seems, are the majority of our fanbase. I don't trust he can coach, I don't trust that he can motivate and I don't trust that he can organise a team based around it's strengths and to minimise it's weaknesses. Judging by the signings as well, I also don't trust that he can recruit well and this is backed up by the majority of Crewe fans from his tenure there.

So even in the unlikely event that he keeps his job and we stay in the FL, how many fans will be enthused for the new season? How many will renew season tickets? It's going to have a massive effect on the playing budget and the reputation of the club and manager is hardly going to help attract players here either. Barring a miraculous turnaround in results and performance which I think we can all agree is highly unlikely, I don't see a future where Artell's reign works out here.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

The whole tweet surprised me. The decision, the tone, the language and the fact that it even appeared at all.

Definitely ego is running through that tweet and he couldn’t help having a little dig about negativity. What about the shite served up by the management and the players?

Dear Jason you say we have to dig in well that's just digging a bigger hold for us to fall in.

You need to get rid of Artell now before it's too late.

He has said he will continue in playing his way because he knows what he is doing he also said he was manager of the season when at Crewe.

That means nothing it's what he is doing here that counts and in another few weeks we will be in the bottom two.

Don't wait too long because time is not on our side.

A third period in non league is something the fans. Won't stomach and we could be down there for years.

Nearly 70 years of supporting town and I have never felt so low.