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Artell just said that once the fans got on the players backs for passing it out from the back, they didn’t stick to the game plan, started whacking it forward and cost us the game.
The bloke is an complete fraud
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Agree , was a good appointment until he brought his tiki taka football to us our defence and keeper simply can’t do and he refuses to change it , bring back kick and rush and play to our strengths , think we’ve missed the right appointment which was the cowleys who would of kept us up
Yoda was right he will be gone next few games if we carry on like this
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Ha ha . What a clown. Bye bye!!
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Listening to that, the blokes completely delusional.
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He’s a man who is out of his depth and doesn’t have what it takes to get the best out of the team. It’s only a matter of time until he gets the boot.
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Artell just said that once the fans got on the players backs for passing it out from the back, they didn’t stick to the game plan, started whacking it forward and cost us the game.
The bloke is an complete fraud
He’s coming across as a right arrogant male masturbator. I’m all for trying to play good football but with players who can play it. The Crewe home game is a distant memory. |
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He's a not doing very well, but he's right a portion of the fans were absolute twits today. It had no bearing on the result because the game was lost, but to boo you own players for not twatting it is embarrassing.
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It’s better than trusting your manager’s judgment of passing it around the back 4 before losing possession and giving a goal away
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| February 10, 2024, 6:21pm |
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Think he is going to find out very quick what its like to upset town fans. Saying things like that is just going to wind the fans up. Its not the fans fault its yours Mr Artell and we are not going to let you forget it
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| February 10, 2024, 6:21pm |
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Artell just said that once the fans got on the players backs for passing it out from the back, they didn’t stick to the game plan, started whacking it forward and cost us the game.
The bloke is an complete fraud
That is absolutely not what he said. He DID say he "gets" the fans reaction. The players have an employer- Artell is the de facto representative of that employer. Playing out from the back makes me nervous. I vocalise that nervousness but the instructions of the manager MUST trump the views of people outside the organisation. I doubt a more experienced player than Cartwright would've been swayed. |
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He's absolutely right to be honest. Don't understand our "fans" discouraging and berating our players. How is that going to help them? If you're not going to support the team, then jog on, we don't need you.
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It’s not like we have the players to play longer balls anyway so it just comes straight back to us. I get the frustration but don’t quite buy the argument that you need to be Bobby Moore to play out from the back. Plenty of teams do it successfully at a much lower standard than us. It’s as much about positioning and decision making as it is about technical ability and both of those things can be taught. I hope we can scrape a few wins to ease the nerves so that we can develop our style of play ready for next season. We’ve not had a style of play for the last 20 odd years and it’s no coincidence that it’s been the worst period in our history. Long term I believe this change needs to happen it’s just dicey doing it when you’re so low in the table
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It’s better than trusting your manager’s judgment of passing it around the back 4 before losing possession and giving a goal away
I'd quite like a comparison of the number of times passing out from the baclk has cost us a goal with how many goals we've coceded from aimless punts upfield which have come back with interest. |
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Is this guy for real ? It's our right to voice our concerns if we can obviously see what the players are doing isn't working and they aren't comfortable doing it.
Mr artell, you are clearly out of your depth if you this down to the fans complaining about your stupid tactics that is the reason for the way we gift goals EVERY Fooking game.
The team we got promoted with would of been in the top half of this urine poor league.
The opposition cannot hurt us if the ball is in Thier 18 yard box can they instead we roll the ball out to players who see it as a hot potato and panic ensues.
Please stop this stupid tactic and let's get the ball up quicker, I'm not saying turn into Lincoln under John rudge ffsake, we pass it around for 5 mins, it comes back to the keeper and he hoofs it up anyway!
Just get it up there please, it's doing our heads in.
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Artell just said that once the fans got on the players backs for passing it out from the back, they didn’t stick to the game plan, started whacking it forward and cost us the game.
The bloke is an complete fraud
What I heard was " The players started listening to the fans and stopped playing it out from the back". Firstly employees do as the manager says and not some guy from the street ( No offence meant to any fan ) because the manager is responsible for his wages. If they don't do as he says then they will be disciplined, or should be. Secondly, I find it abhorrent that a manager blames the fans for HIS playing style. I think JS & AP should take him to task about this and the style he makes them play at home. |
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No this is on artell messing about at back again i'm all for playing but sometimes during a 90 min you have to get rid we are lge 2 , if we lose next week & we will he on borrowed time & stop blaming us for your mistakes
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The thing is, I don't think anyone can blame Artell for desiring a way to play, however, he does not have the players to go with it. We as fans know and the players seemingly also know it as they're excrement at implementing it.
The Stockport commentary were saying all game that it was a naïve way to play and they fancied themselves a goal against this outfit, which says it all really.
A good manager works with players that can play the way they can, not with what the way he desires.
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Let's not chat utter balderdash now.
He blamed the players for abandoning what they were doing and reacting to the booing but that he understood the fans reaction. So he's not blaming the fans, he's blaming the players.
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| February 10, 2024, 6:38pm |
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It's hard enough trying to beat the in form team that is top of the league.
There is no need to give them gifts and try to do things you are not very good at.
Take a hard look at yourself Artell and smell the coffee.
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The thing is, I don't think anyone can blame Artell for desiring a way to play, however, he does not have the players to go with it. We as fans know and the players seemingly also know it as they're excrement at implementing it.
The Stockport commentary were saying all game that it was a naïve way to play and they fancied themselves a goal against this outfit, which says it all really.
A good manager works with players that can play the way they can, not with what the way he desires.
Yeah it's cringingly embarrassing that it so obviously isn't working but he insists on playing in a way that's gifting teams so many goals against us. Try to lean a bit more towards that style sure, but don't be so rigid and unable to do anything but pressure ourselves. Well fooked off with today's performance and really really concerned with that interview - we won't be changing style and if that gets us relegated he just shrugs, leaves and blames the fans I guess. Meanwhile we are the ones left holding the excrement. |
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Let's not chat utter balderdash now.
He blamed the players for abandoning what they were doing and reacting to the booing but that he understood the fans reaction. So he's not blaming the fans, he's blaming the players.
Exactly how I intepreted it, it's on the players to drown out the noise from the fans. |
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Let's not chat utter balderdash now.
He blamed the players for abandoning what they were doing and reacting to the booing but that he understood the fans reaction. So he's not blaming the fans, he's blaming the players.
So what you are saying is that the players are not professionals as they do not do what the manager says. |
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He's a not doing very well, but he's right a portion of the fans were absolute twits today. It had no bearing on the result because the game was lost, but to boo you own players for not twatting it is embarrassing.
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A 10 year old boy behind me called it spot on shrieking in his best balls not dropped yet voice " hey artell, just get it up top and stop f.cking about with it"
Jus saying, it ain't rocket science Dave.
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I'd quite like a comparison of the number of times passing out from the baclk has cost us a goal with how many goals we've coceded from aimless punts upfield which have come back with interest.
I’d rather we compete from aimless punts upfield than just give a free pass to the opposition on fhe edge of our box . |
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Yeah it's cringingly embarrassing that it so obviously isn't working but he insists on playing in a way that's gifting teams so many goals against us.
Try to lean a bit more towards that style sure, but don't be so rigid and unable to do anything but pressure ourselves.
Well fooked off with today's performance and really really concerned with that interview - we won't be changing style and if that gets us relegated he just shrugs, leaves and blames the fans I guess. Meanwhile we are the ones left holding the excrement.
That is similar to my takeaway from DA's thoughts. We're in a dog fight but he's wanting to participate with an inebriated rabbit that's been told to move quickly. |
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Fans are fans and every club has them. Ultimately they pay his wages. You have to keep your mouth shut. The guy sounds out of his depth. He's been out of work for 18 months, long term unemployed territory, and then we offered him a 2.5 year deal. Unfortunately he's better out than in and we may just have to take the hit. It was the first time the new owners have been through this to be fair to them.
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DA blames the fans eh?
Well first 2 goals today we gifted them with a shiny ribbon on.
We had a corner today and Eisa/another took it short lost the ball and Stockport got a corner.What do you work on all week Mr Artell because its not set pieces ? Today's horror show stemmed from the dangerous brothers Maher and Rodgers not being able to play out defend or distribute.Added to this they got zero help from CM to me with this squad the best form of defence is attack maybe we should try that Danny Rose must be fed up he runs his balls off for nothing every game I didn't expect to beat Stockport and predicted 1-3 Colchester is massive we cang afford to lose.
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So what you are saying is that the players are not professionals as they do not do what the manager says.
I'm saying he didn't blame the fans. People can think what they want about the manager or the players but we're excrement enough without people trying to claim he said something he didn't. |
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A 10 year old boy behind me called it spot on shrieking in his best balls not dropped yet voice " hey artell, just get it up top and stop f.cking about with it"
Jus saying, it ain't rocket science Dave.
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He can blame who he likes but there’s a massive difference between his first home game (Crewe) and now.
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He's absolutely right to be honest. Don't understand our "fans" discouraging and berating our players. How is that going to help them? If you're not going to support the team, then jog on, we don't need you.
How long have you been watching football, whenever you play excrement especially at home the fans will moan and have every right to do so. Today we were excrement, especially pissing about with the ball at the back, we gave one goal away doing it then in the second half 3-1 down we were still pissing about with it. We scored one goal early on in that second half then never troubled them again, we created intercourse all passing from centre half to full back then back again. We just don't have the players to do it and on that showing we are no better if not worse than before the transfer window. |
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I'm saying he didn't blame the fans.
People can think what they want about the manager or the players but we're excrement enough without people trying to claim he said something he didn't.
He said that the fan reaction causes us to be excrement at playing out from the back at home. But the fact we are excrement playing out from the back at home won't stop us playing out from the back at home. I suppose therefore we are just going to have to get used to being excrement at home. |
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I'm glad JT pulled him up on the 5 goals against county thing as he's been dining out on those goals for weeks now. We're a shambles conceding so many at home.
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He said that the fans’ reaction is making the players hoof it. That’s as good as laying the blame at the door of the fans. Reality is that his approach isn’t fit for purpose and will take us down.
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Wake up and smell the 14 goals we’ve conceded in our last 3 games AT HOME
Well, I can still understand the anger and frustration, everyone hates a loss and moans. A loss is a loss, but least we didn't let 8 past us like Sutton or 5 like Doncaster. Even the mighty Walsall who beat us 1-6 lost 3-1 against Stockport just like we have.  Away Form |
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Well, I can still understand the anger and frustration, everyone hates a loss and moans. A loss is a loss, but least we didn't let 8 past us like Sutton or 5 like Doncaster. Even the mighty Walsall who beat us 1-6 lost 3-1 against them just like we have.
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At half time Stockport changed tactics knowing the game was won I take nothing from that game in a positive way
Yep. Totally obvious and Artell simply trying to use that to shore up his weakening position |
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He knows he is getting sacked after the next two games, he probably realises it’s his last managerial role in the football league.
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Yeah it's cringingly embarrassing that it so obviously isn't working but he insists on playing in a way that's gifting teams so many goals against us.
Try to lean a bit more towards that style sure, but don't be so rigid and unable to do anything but pressure ourselves.
Well fooked off with today's performance and really really concerned with that interview - we won't be changing style and if that gets us relegated he just shrugs, leaves and blames the fans I guess. Meanwhile we are the ones left holding the excrement.
He said that is the first goal we've conceded as a direct result of playing out from the back. Is he right? On the basis we've conceded16 in the last four home games just maybe the problem isnt confined to that area of the performance |
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I mean, he didn't, but don't let that cloud a good rant.
I'm as frustrated as anyone over this insistence on playing it out, but don't start inventing things to have a go.
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I mean, he didn't, but don't let that cloud a good rant.
I'm as frustrated as anyone over this insistence on playing it out, but don't start inventing things to have a go.
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Sadly today Stockport didn't have to get out of first let alone second gear to beat us....we gifted them the first.....pretty much gifted them the second albeit it was a very swift and good counter and the third was at best poor defending at times....
Cartwright was hardly troubled apart from the goals as Stockport didn't need to exert themselves due to our gifts and complete lack of threat.
As much as I disagree with the booing and grumbling it is frustrating watching us trying to play a system/style that the players just can't deliver. Artell really does need to realise they are not capable of it and adapt it slightly for now.
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Just a thought, but do the opposition know that we are going to try to play from the back so they play a high pressing game to make us more likely to make a mistake, if the opposition know we’re a big punt type of team then they would have to have more men at the back, hence you cannot just be a one trick pony, you have to play both ways to keep the opposition guessing.
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Just a thought, but do the opposition know that we are going to try to play from the back so they play a high pressing game to make us more likely to make a mistake, if the opposition know we’re a big punt type of team then they would have to have more men at the back, hence you cannot just be a one trick pony, you have to play both ways to keep the opposition guessing.
I think this is a big part of it. We do not seem to research opposing teams, but stubbornly stick to this philosophy. Hurst was a stubborn man but it was always born of reason, however we may have disagreed. This is seemingly through perseverance, rather than tactical decisiveness of the opposition. Hurst seemingly set up a team to play against the team we were facing, Artell seems to set up a team as to how he feels we should play, which is how it works with exceptional players as there's a mantra and ethos engrained. We've got Rodgers who has the best agent in football. |
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Artell just said that once the fans got on the players backs for passing it out from the back, they didn’t stick to the game plan, started whacking it forward and cost us the game.
The bloke is an complete fraud
That’s not what he said at all. As for blaming the fans for the defeat that’s twaddle. He did say we stopped doing what we were supposed to do after we’d conceded, but how in any way is that blaming the fans for the defeat? It’s just not. |
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Our insistence on playing out from the back simply invites teams to press us. I have no objection to this being part of our play, but we absolutely need to vary it. By the end of the first half Stockport were charging us down in the 18 yard box, and we were playing the ball back to Cartwright who was stood on his goal line. One mistake and it’s a guaranteed goal. See their first goal.
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Did Stockport play it out from the back?
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That’s not what he said at all. As for blaming the fans for the defeat that’s twaddle. He did say we stopped doing what we were supposed to do after we’d conceded, but how in any way is that blaming the fans for the defeat? It’s just not.
No, it’s not what he said. However I’m getting a bit drunk off with the ‘we’re too good to go down’ twaddle. |
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Did Stockport play it out from the back?
Yes, but they did it with purpose, and also with an end product, we just intercourse about n get nowhere then 5 passes later lose possession. |
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I actually think he’s showing some real naivety with some of his press interviews, it can be a dangerous thing to say what you believe even if your beliefs are incorrect.
I don’t think the players changed approach on the back of the supporters being disgruntled I think it was more that they couldn’t make an impact with what they’ve been instructed to do, maybe Artell needs to show a bit of magnanimity & humility.
The supporters bit actually didn’t trigger me it was the bollox about “metrics”, he needs to understand people who go to BP look forward to it all week & spend a big chunk of their disposable income on Town, to them (like me) the only “metric” is the result after the final whistle.
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Did Stockport play it out from the back?
Stockport never got out of 3rd gear, they didn’t need to. |
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Artell just said that once the fans got on the players backs for passing it out from the back, they didn’t stick to the game plan, started whacking it forward and cost us the game.
The bloke is an complete fraud
A rather stupid thing to do David…… I like most of what you have done, but if we don’t have players who can do what you ask, ask them to do something they can do. Rome was not built in a day. |
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I actually think he’s showing some real naivety with some of his press interviews, it can be a dangerous thing to say what you believe even if your beliefs are incorrect.
I don’t think the players changed approach on the back of the supporters being disgruntled I think it was more that they couldn’t make an impact with what they’ve been instructed to do, maybe Artell needs to show a bit of magnanimity & humility.
The supporters bit actually didn’t trigger me it was the bollox about “metrics”, he needs to understand people who go to BP look forward to it all week & spend a big chunk of their disposable income on Town, to them (like me) the only “metric” is the result after the final whistle.
Managers can't win can they? When they're cautious and non-committal (like Hurst) they get accused of hiding stuff from the fans or being oblivious to what's happening on the pitch But when they speak their mind, it's naïve? |
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Did Stockport play it out from the back?
Non of their 3 goals came from playing out from their back. |
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Doesn't help when your keeper is playing it to Harvey Rodgers and he's sticking it into the 3rd row of the main stand every time he goes direct or straight to one of there players everytime he goes short. There's no way he should be starting against Colchester, i'd rather have young Bramwell in there
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Doesn't help when your keeper is playing it to Harvey Rodgers and he's sticking it into the 3rd row of the main stand every time he goes direct or straight to one of there players everytime he goes short. There's no way he should be starting against Colchester, i'd rather have young Bramwell in there
Bramwell appears composed on the ball and more likely to manage what Artel wants from what I've seen. Give him a go I say. |
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How long is Doug out for?
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How long is Doug out for?
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Can we stop playing niall maher please mr artell you was a cb why cant you see he cant defend to save his life
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Doesn't help when your keeper is playing it to Harvey Rodgers and he's sticking it into the 3rd row of the main stand every time he goes direct or straight to one of there players everytime he goes short. There's no way he should be starting against Colchester, i'd rather have young Bramwell in there
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Maher is a joke always getting pulled out of position chasing balls.
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You have to ask what the centre halfs were doing for their third goal with three Stockport players unmarked. Does no one take charge in that defence?
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You have to ask what the centre halfs were doing for their third goal with three Stockport players unmarked. Does no one take charge in that defence?
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Just a thought, but do the opposition know that we are going to try to play from the back so they play a high pressing game to make us more likely to make a mistake, if the opposition know we’re a big punt type of team then they would have to have more men at the back, hence you cannot just be a one trick pony, you have to play both ways to keep the opposition guessing.
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Challinors post match interview stated exactly this. They set traps for us and we walked into them.
Even with the traps they set they looked physically bigger stronger than us pretty much all over the park without even mentioning how organised they were. We didn’t even see the best of Stockport imo they have another gear to go to which they didn’t use yesterday. Worrying times |
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It's hard enough trying to beat the in form team that is top of the league.
There is no need to give them gifts and try to do things you are not very good at.
Take a hard look at yourself Artell and smell the coffee.
How did DA give them gifts? Cartwright gave them a gift, Clifton gave them a gift and the whole of the defence gifted the third goal scorer with a free header. Not much you can do about that from the touchline! |
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No this is on artell messing about at back again i'm all for playing but sometimes during a 90 min you have to get rid we are lge 2 , if we lose next week & we will he on borrowed time & stop blaming us for your mistakes
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How did DA give them gifts? Cartwright gave them a gift, Clifton gave them a gift and the whole of the defence gifted the third goal scorer with a free header. Not much you can do about that from the touchline!
He basically tells the opposition how his team is going to play. It’s so easy. They picked us apart at will. |
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Exactly how I interpreted it, it's on the players to drown out the noise from the fans.
And me too, but some people have an agenda and just want DA gone, in fact one poster said he didn't like DA before he even signed for us! |
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A 10 year old boy behind me called it spot on shrieking in his best balls not dropped yet voice " hey artell, just get it up top and stop f.cking about with it"
Jus saying, it ain't rocket science Dave.
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How long have you been watching football, whenever you play excrement especially at home the fans will moan and have every right to do so. Today we were excrement, especially pissing about with the ball at the back, we gave one goal away doing it then in the second half 3-1 down we were still pissing about with it.
We scored one goal early on in that second half then never troubled them again, we created intercourse all passing from centre half to full back then back again.
We just don't have the players to do it and on that showing we are no better if not worse than before the transfer window.
Two of the better defensive players we signed were both out injured. |
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Yeah right, and you can just imagine the fans reaction when 'hoof ball' doesn't work!
No ones asking for hoofball as such but more of a variation of play. It was obvious early doors yesterday that playing out from the back was causing all sorts of problems. In the second half they eased the press cos the game was won it wasn’t because we got better. The good thing is I suppose not everyone is as good Stockport |
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He basically tells the opposition how his team is going to play. It’s so easy. They picked us apart at will.
Every manager in the division would pick us to play every week if they could. All you have to do is press us and force mistakes. Like taking candy from a baby. Then once you are a couple of goals up rest your best forwards and defend. We don't have the attacking threat to carve teams open. |
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Rodgers and Maher are no better than the ageing Waterfall yet we are stuck with these two game after game. Waterfall did at least give his all and was a threat whenever we got a corner or free kick. Cartwright was sent here to get experience - he's definitely getting experience behind these two.
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DA blames the fans eh?
Well first 2 goals today we gifted them with a shiny ribbon on.
We had a corner today and Eisa/another took it short lost the ball and Stockport got a corner.What do you work on all week Mr Artell because its not set pieces ? Today's horror show stemmed from the dangerous brothers Maher and Rodgers not being able to play out defend or distribute.Added to this they got zero help from CM to me with this squad the best form of defence is attack maybe we should try that Danny Rose must be fed up he runs his balls off for nothing every game I didn't expect to beat Stockport and predicted 1-3 Colchester is massive we cang afford to lose.
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He knows he is getting sacked after the next two games, he probably realises it’s his last managerial role in the football league.
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I didn't know Artell was playing in the back four!
We might have done better if he was. |
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Two of the better defensive players we signed were both out injured.
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I think this is a big part of it. We do not seem to research opposing teams, but stubbornly stick to this philosophy. Hurst was a stubborn man but it was always born of reason, however we may have disagreed. This is seemingly through perseverance, rather than tactical decisiveness of the opposition.
Hurst seemingly set up a team to play against the team we were facing, Artell seems to set up a team as to how he feels we should play, which is how it works with exceptional players as there's a mantra and ethos engrained. We've got Rodgers who has the best agent in football.
Well that didn't do PH much good, also I remember people moaning on here that he should pay more attention to how we played instead of trying to stop the way the opposition played. |
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Well that didn't do PH much good, also I remember people moaning on here that he should pay more attention to how we played instead of trying to stop the way the opposition played.
There’s a difference between setting up to play a different way and then dogmatically sticking to it even though you’re getting picked apart every week. |
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He said that the fans’ reaction is making the players hoof it. That’s as good as laying the blame at the door of the fans. Reality is that his approach isn’t fit for purpose and will take us down.
What he actually said was, "I understand the fans reaction", and " we started whacking the ball forward because the fans demanded it". That is NOT blaming the fans, it is blaming the players for reacting to the fans demands instead of playing to the Managers instructions. |
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I actually think he’s showing some real naivety with some of his press interviews, it can be a dangerous thing to say what you believe even if your beliefs are incorrect.
I don’t think the players changed approach on the back of the supporters being disgruntled I think it was more that they couldn’t make an impact with what they’ve been instructed to do, maybe Artell needs to show a bit of magnanimity & humility.
The supporters bit actually didn’t trigger me it was the bollox about “metrics”, he needs to understand people who go to BP look forward to it all week & spend a big chunk of their disposable income on Town, to them (like me) the only “metric” is the result after the final whistle.
The thing is it is not up to the players to change the way they have been told to play, that is the managers job. |
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And me too, but some people have an agenda and just want DA gone, in fact one poster said he didn't like DA before he even signed for us!
Probably me, not that I didn't like him, I just looked at him in the same way I do players. If their last season was a relegation one, I expect them to be rubbish. How many exceptions to that have we had? |
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How did DA give them gifts? Cartwright gave them a gift, Clifton gave them a gift and the whole of the defence gifted the third goal scorer with a free header. Not much you can do about that from the touchline!
Clifton gave a dubious foul away on the age of their box. That's not a gift, there's no way they should score with one pass from there. Defence totally asleep. |
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Our insistence on playing out from the back simply invites teams to press us. I have no objection to this being part of our play, but we absolutely need to vary it. By the end of the first half Stockport were charging us down in the 18 yard box, and we were playing the ball back to Cartwright who was stood on his goal line. One mistake and it’s a guaranteed goal. See their first goal.
And that is the name of the game! It's a tactic to bring some of their players forward, and out of their defensive positions, to give us more room to attack IF we can get past the pressing opposition. I have seen it happen a few times, but unfortunately it doesn't happen all the time. I think we should remember that we are a League Two side for a reason, and in reference to yesterdays game, remember that Stockport are top of the League and have not lost away from home since August of last year. |
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And that is the name of the game! It's a tactic to bring some of their players forward, and out of their defensive positions, to give us more room to attack IF we can get past the pressing opposition. I have seen it happen a few times, but unfortunately it doesn't happen all the time. I think we should remember that we are a League Two side for a reason, and in reference to yesterdays game, remember that Stockport are top of the League and have not lost away from home since August of last year.
What’s your excuse for the Walsall game then? Harrogate? Tranmere? All the others? |
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The thing is it is not up to the players to change the way they have been told to play, that is the managers job.
Hmmm… I get your point for sure & agree but disagree. You sometimes have to accept that professional footballers can make their own decisions on the pitch. |
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I think we should remember that we are a League Two side
In fairness to Artell, he’s having a bloody good go at doing something about that. |
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Clifton gave a dubious foul away on the age of their box. That's not a gift, there's no way they should score with one pass from there. Defence totally asleep. [/quote]
As was Clifton. He was 2 yards away from the ball, and should have stepped in front of it to stop the quick free kick, same as you see Sunday League players do!
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Two?
Yes, Curtis Thompson (DM) and Doug Tharme (CB). |
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There’s a difference between setting up to play a different way and then dogmatically sticking to it even though you’re getting picked apart every week.
The thing is, I can't see how changing the way we play again, is going to be very productive. Again, it will take time to change and adapt, and as the Forum shows, people don't like to give the manager time, he said when he first came into the job that it would take many months. Also, what system would we change to, do we have the players to be able to adapt to a new way of playing? |
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It’s not what he meant at all, and I’m sure most of you know that. Within the context of the interview it was clear to me he didn’t mean that.
It’s exactly the same scenario as when a bunch of fans started crying about Hurst saying the fans were spoilt.
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The thing is, I can't see how changing the way we play again, is going to be very productive. Again, it will take time to change and adapt, and as the Forum shows, people don't like to give the manager time, he said when he first came into the job that it would take many months. Also, what system would we change to, do we have the players to be able to adapt to a new way of playing?
Saying it'll take time doesn't excuse what we're watching. Nobody expected anything from this season when he came in, so time was well and truly on his side. I've never heard a manager say anything else. It's their get out for it not instantly working. And that's fair enough when you haven't been able to sign your own players yet. What's not fair enough is making a team that was missing lots of chances and losing by the odd goal now look like cannon fodder. |
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What’s your excuse for the Walsall game then? Harrogate? Tranmere? All the others?
I'm not making excuses for any games we lost, I'm just saying that DA stated when he joined the club that it would take many months before we could see a successful change to the way we play. He inherited a squad of players that PH brought in, plus in the last two weeks 6 players of his own choosing from the January window. Two of those defensive players are out injured, and I believe that when they return we will become more solid at the back. |
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It’s not what he meant at all, and I’m sure most of you know that. Within the context of the interview it was clear to me he didn’t mean that.
It’s exactly the same scenario as when a bunch of fans started crying about Hurst saying the fans were spoilt.
At least we’re not going to concede loads of goals in the next game like we did at Halifax after PH said what he said 🤔 |
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Saying it'll take time doesn't excuse what we're watching. Nobody expected anything from this season when he came in, so time was well and truly on his side.
I've never heard a manager say anything else. It's their get out for it not instantly working. And that's fair enough when you haven't been able to sign your own players yet. What's not fair enough is making a team that was missing lots of chances and losing by the odd goal now look like cannon fodder.
We have scored more goals than Harrogate who are in 7th place and one less than Barrow who are 4th. |
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Clifton gave a dubious foul away on the age of their box. That's not a gift, there's no way they should score with one pass from there. Defence totally asleep.
Exactly - then instead of reacting he proceeded to debate the issue with the ref instead of stopping the kick being taken. It wasn't just them defence, the whole team were slow to react. It doesn't matter how much you debate whether playing out from the back is right or wrong , the fact remains that we gifted them 3 goals from players making mistakes. |
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Saying it'll take time doesn't excuse what we're watching. Nobody expected anything from this season when he came in, so time was well and truly on his side.
I've never heard a manager say anything else. It's their get out for it not instantly working. And that's fair enough when you haven't been able to sign your own players yet. What's not fair enough is making a team that was missing lots of chances and losing by the odd goal now look like cannon fodder.
So, we have so far scored 42 goals which is only 7 less than we scored in the whole of season 22/23 where we finished 11th in League Two, and where we scored 49. Also, we have scored 4 more goals than Harrogate who are in 7th position in League Two and 1 less than Barrow who are 4th |
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So, we have so far scored 42 goals which is only 7 less than we scored in the whole of season 22/23 where we finished 11th in League Two, and where we scored 49. Also, we have scored 4 more goals than Harrogate who are in 7th position in League Two and 1 less than Barrow who are 4th
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Hi David Artell’s mum.
Childish remark. |
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Childish remark.
Hi David Artell’s wife. |
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An even more childish remark. |
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So, we have so far scored 42 goals which is only 7 less than we scored in the whole of season 22/23 where we finished 11th in League Two, and where we scored 49. Also, we have scored 4 more goals than Harrogate who are in 7th position in League Two and 1 less than Barrow who are 4th
What's your point? It's going well? We either draw or get hammered at the moment. Under Hurst we were missing tap ins every week and losing by 1 goal. You could see how we could turn that around. Artell has made us look like we'll concede loads more and with the exception of Notts County game we don't look like scoring any more. It's awful and if you can't see that this is markedly worse then you might need help of some sort. |
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What's your point? It's going well? We either draw or get hammered at the moment. Under Hurst we were missing tap ins every week and losing by 1 goal. You could see how we could turn that around. Artell has made us look like we'll concede loads more and with the exception of Notts County game we don't look like scoring any more.
It's awful and if you can't see that this is markedly worse then you might need help of some sort.
Agree with this. But will the owners accept they’ve made a mistake and cut their losses? Or will they stubbornly continue down a path that’s destined to fail? |
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Agree with this. But will the owners accept they’ve made a mistake and cut their losses? Or will they stubbornly continue down a path that’s destined to fail?
I think the only way we sell a decent amount of season tickets next season is too replace him and pick up a few wins towards the end of the season. That might bring a slight bit of optimism about next season. I suppose it would if we had a decent run in and playing well, but that seems unlikely right now |
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What's your point? It's going well? We either draw or get hammered at the moment. Under Hurst we were missing tap ins every week and losing by 1 goal. You could see how we could turn that around. Artell has made us look like we'll concede loads more and with the exception of Notts County game we don't look like scoring any more.
It's awful and if you can't see that this is markedly worse then you might need help of some sort.
Its a real worry. Performances through out the team have dropped, even since Hurst was sacked. There doesn't appear to be any improvement, anywhere. Still defensively naive, passing it awkwardly around the back - the passing game that appeared to be working has gone out of the window. We have barely created a chance in 120mins of football now. Tactically terrible. Just high press this team and they crumble. Didn't take L2 managers long to figure Artell out. Most strikingly and certainly most worryingly we have slipped closer to the trap door and seem to have no fight in us whatsoever. Cant see Artell turning this around now. |
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The thing is, I can't see how changing the way we play again, is going to be very productive. Again, it will take time to change and adapt, and as the Forum shows, people don't like to give the manager time, he said when he first came into the job that it would take many months.
It was unbelievably naive to embark on a process that will take many months when we were a few points above the relegation zone. Even if we stay up season ticket sales will tank. Football managers don't get "many months". Bignot and Holloway talked about grandiose long term plans and utterly failed in the here and now. A year ago everyone was talking about us and the future looked bright now we have reverted to relegation fodder. |
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It was unbelievably naive to embark on a process that will take many months when we were a few points above the relegation zone. Even if we stay up season ticket sales will tank. Football managers don't get "many months". Bignot and Holloway talked about grandiose long term plans and utterly failed in the here and now. A year ago everyone was talking about us and the future looked bright now we have reverted to relegation fodder.
Using more purest terms & referencing Artell is doing the same thing in his interviews as Holloway & Bignot. There are some real personality similarities here across all 3 managers with a message that kind of says “I am the messiah” when he may turn out to be a very naughty boy. |
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What's your point? It's going well? We either draw or get hammered at the moment. Under Hurst we were missing tap ins every week and losing by 1 goal. You could see how we could turn that around. Artell has made us look like we'll concede loads more and with the exception of Notts County game we don't look like scoring any more.
It's awful and if you can't see that this is markedly worse then you might need help of some sort.
# I don't need your advice on any kind of help I might need thankyou. |
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Hi David Artell’s mum.
How old are you? |
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How old are you?
To be honest, old enough to know you’re a bit odd |
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To be honest, old enough to know you’re a bit odd
I very much doubt that. |
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Artell didn’t blame the fans at all . It’s like a click bait headline that only a simpleton or a tacky journalist would write .
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Artell just said that once the fans got on the players backs for passing it out from the back, they didn’t stick to the game plan, started whacking it forward and cost us the game.
The bloke is an complete fraud
I’ve now had the opportunity to listen to Artell post match interview. I’m not sure who the OP of this thread is. I’ve not noticed any of their posts before. Could it be a reporter from the Sun or some other scurrilous rag? It certainly does not reflect what Artell said. I get it. People are disappointed in yesterdays first half, but let’s stick to accurate threads not the nonsense set up by the OP |
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I’ve now had the opportunity to listen to Artell post match interview.
I’m not sure who the OP of this thread is. I’ve not noticed any of their posts before.
Could it be a reporter from the Sun or some other scurrilous rag?
It certainly does not reflect what Artell said.
I get it. People are disappointed in yesterdays first half, but let’s stick to accurate threads not the nonsense set up by the OP
But aren't a lot of posts on here similar? They dissect an interview until they find something to hammer the interviewed person with to suit their own agenda. |
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Even with the traps they set they looked physically bigger stronger than us pretty much all over the park without even mentioning how organised they were. We didn’t even see the best of Stockport imo they have another gear to go to which they didn’t use yesterday. Worrying times
Without a doubt they had several more gears if needed...better players technically....very organised...but we just gifted them it..the first two goals killed us and the disallowed goal didn't help. I dont think I had any doubts they would have beaten us regardless but such naive stuff at times from professional footballers. |
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Without a doubt they had several more gears if needed...better players technically....very organised...but we just gifted them it..the first two goals killed us and the disallowed goal didn't help.
I dont think I had any doubts they would have beaten us regardless but such naive stuff at times from professional footballers.
That's the bit that annoys me most. Regardless of tactics, so called " professional footballers" are not doing the basic things that will have been coached into them from their very early years. |
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Without a doubt they had several more gears if needed...better players technically....very organised...but we just gifted them it..the first two goals killed us and the disallowed goal didn't help.
I dont think I had any doubts they would have beaten us regardless but such naive stuff at times from professional footballers.
I think the naive stuff is coming from the manager expecting low confidence poor defenders to be able to switch to his high risk style of play and when the inevitable mistakes happen not let it effect their confidence still further. Sure give it a try but when it obviously isn't working start to accommodate their actual abilities into your plan. It might've worked when he first arrived when teams hadnt worked us out (Newport) or against teams that also play the same style (notts, mk dons) or against teams that were abysmal (Salford). Now every team knows how to get at us we are lambs to the slaughter. Let's just hope Colchester and Donny are as bad or worse than Salford were against us, looking at the table that is possible. |
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A 13 page thread for something that didn’t even happen.
I’ll be absolutely buzzing if it clicks under Artell and the people seemingly hell bent on him failing have to start reluctantly enjoying the football.
He’s given us the ‘teething issues’he promised in bucket loads and it may transpire that he’s not up to it, but the absolute determination to hammer the guy by either point blank lying or blaming him for certain things out of his control makes for tough reading.
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A 13 page thread for something that didn’t even happen.
I’ll be absolutely buzzing if it clicks under Artell and the people seemingly hell bent on him failing have to start reluctantly enjoying the football.
He’s given us the ‘teething issues’he promised in bucket loads and it may transpire that he’s not up to it, but the absolute determination to hammer the guy by either point blank lying or blaming him for certain things out of his control makes for tough reading.
In a nutshell. |
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Actually no he didn't. Watch the interview again (if you even watched it in the first place), and see what he ACTUALLY said!
I watched the interview thinking it would be codswallop. He actually gives a fair assessment of the game and the fans reaction. I didn't agree with everything he said but what he said about the fans is right. It doesn't help the team with them booing and walking out. |
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A 13 page thread for something that didn’t even happen.
I’ll be absolutely buzzing if it clicks under Artell and the people seemingly hell bent on him failing have to start reluctantly enjoying the football.
He’s given us the ‘teething issues’he promised in bucket loads and it may transpire that he’s not up to it, but the absolute determination to hammer the guy by either point blank lying or blaming him for certain things out of his control makes for tough reading.
I can't be bothered to read 13 pages of nonsense but I'd bet Denni and Louth are the leads on this thread  . Both have an obsession with getting managers sacked and did a hatchet job on Hurst before he even returned to the club while whinging about every single defeat he had. Artell has barely been in the job and some people are continuing with the same patterns as if they enjoy it. I say put down your bottles of White Lightning, stop thinking about the good old days when you were in the fishing industry before it collapsed and the club was going toe to toe with the big boys, neither of those things are coming back. It's been 40 years since the mid-80's, time to move on. Lots of clubs that are having some success now had to suffer way worse declines than we have, that includes yesterday's opponents. We've yet to see the real depths of non-league relegation battles or slipping further down the pyramid as we've always been able to compete in the NL each time after a period of rebuilding from NL mediocrity. Perhaps if we really had fallen into non-league decline as some teams have then our fans might be less arrogant. We're so self-important, we act like judge,jury and executioner, we act like the fans are more important than anything else and I honestly believe many feel that way. They soon get offender when a manager isn't going to get on their knees and suck up to them at every opportunity. |
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I watched the interview thinking it would be codswallop. He actually gives a fair assessment of the game and the fans reaction. I didn't agree with everything he said but what he said about the fans is right. It doesn't help the team with them booing and walking out.
Over five and a half thousand home fans turned up yesterday, as they do most weeks, to be entertained not to watch another timid capitulation. Our best performance this season was against Crewe, apart from Conteh the rest of the squad are still here, try and replicate and get the crowd up. All we’re getting is patronising BS. Between the owners and the coaches, there needs to be some leadership otherwise it’s going to go horribly wrong. |
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A 13 page thread for something that didn’t even happen.
I’ll be absolutely buzzing if it clicks under Artell and the people seemingly hell bent on him failing have to start reluctantly enjoying the football.
He’s given us the ‘teething issues’he promised in bucket loads and it may transpire that he’s not up to it, but the absolute determination to hammer the guy by either point blank lying or blaming him for certain things out of his control makes for tough reading.
Teething issues. Bit of an understatement |
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That's the bit that annoys me most. Regardless of tactics, so called " professional footballers" are not doing the basic things that will have been coached into them from their very early years.
One of the biggest FFS moments yesterday was a short corner at the Imperial Ave corner....a Stockport player was stood about 5 yds away but they still tried to take it..lost the ball and Stockport were in on the counter.....I mean just why would you even try that ?? Beggar's belief. |
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One of the biggest FFS moments yesterday was a short corner at the Imperial Ave corner....a Stockport player was stood about 5 yds away but they still tried to take it..lost the ball and Stockport were in on the counter.....I mean just why would you even try that ?? Beggar's belief.
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I can't be bothered to read 13 pages of nonsense but I'd bet Denni and Louth are the leads on this thread . Both have an obsession with getting managers sacked and did a hatchet job on Hurst before he even returned to the club while whinging about every single defeat he had. Artell has barely been in the job and some people are continuing with the same patterns as if they enjoy it. I say put down your bottles of White Lightning, stop thinking about the good old days when you were in the fishing industry before it collapsed and the club was going toe to toe with the big boys, neither of those things are coming back. It's been 40 years since the mid-80's, time to move on. Lots of clubs that are having some success now had to suffer way worse declines than we have, that includes yesterday's opponents. We've yet to see the real depths of non-league relegation battles or slipping further down the pyramid as we've always been able to compete in the NL each time after a period of rebuilding from NL mediocrity. Perhaps if we really had fallen into non-league decline as some teams have then our fans might be less arrogant. We're so self-important, we act like judge,jury and executioner, we act like the fans are more important than anything else and I honestly believe many feel that way. They soon get offender when a manager isn't going to get on their knees and suck up to them at every opportunity.
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A 13 page thread for something that didn’t even happen.
I’ll be absolutely buzzing if it clicks under Artell and the people seemingly hell bent on him failing have to start reluctantly enjoying the football.
He’s given us the ‘teething issues’he promised in bucket loads and it may transpire that he’s not up to it, but the absolute determination to hammer the guy by either point blank lying or blaming him for certain things out of his control makes for tough reading.
I think most of us wish for this to end well, but we have seen enough poor Grimsby Town teams and managers over the years to know how this is probably going to pan out. |
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I’ve not really got an issue with the comments about us playing long because the fans booed and pressured the players. That is probably factual correct. You could argue we might have gone in 5-0 down at HT it Cartwright hadn’t been peer pressured into going long. We’ll never know.
What I do have any issue with however is the myth that DA is subtly trying to sow that our away form is “good”. It isn’t. He’s managed 5 league away games and 1 in the FA Cup and we’ve only won 1 of those games. I don’t think that constitutes “good”.
I mean it’s better than our home form but I would call our away form AVERAGE against our ABJECT home form.
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I’ve not really got an issue with the comments about us playing long because the fans booed and pressured the players. That is probably factual correct. You could argue we might have gone in 5-0 down at HT it Cartwright hadn’t been peer pressured into going long. We’ll never know.
What I do have any issue with however is the myth that DA is subtly trying to sow that our away form is “good”. It isn’t. He’s managed 5 league away games and 1 in the FA Cup and we’ve only won 1 of those games. I don’t think that constitutes “good”.
I mean it’s better than our home form but I would call our away form AVERAGE against our ABJECT home form.
Good point on the away form. He’s taking the fans as stupid if he thinks that this so called ‘away form’ is going to wash. |
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He shooting himself taking the fans on we are not idiots we've seen this crap with hollohead , i feel we are sleepwalking to national lge under this guy & after all the hard work to get back two seasons ago i'm at my wits end thinking here we go again , he just not willing to change his way or the highway but i feel the players will eventually throw him under a bus not because they dont like him or understand him but because they cant play like he asking
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I can't be bothered to read 13 pages of nonsense but I'd bet Denni and Louth are the leads on this thread . Both have an obsession with getting managers sacked and did a hatchet job on Hurst before he even returned to the club while whinging about every single defeat he had. Artell has barely been in the job and some people are continuing with the same patterns as if they enjoy it. I say put down your bottles of White Lightning, stop thinking about the good old days when you were in the fishing industry before it collapsed and the club was going toe to toe with the big boys, neither of those things are coming back. It's been 40 years since the mid-80's, time to move on. Lots of clubs that are having some success now had to suffer way worse declines than we have, that includes yesterday's opponents. We've yet to see the real depths of non-league relegation battles or slipping further down the pyramid as we've always been able to compete in the NL each time after a period of rebuilding from NL mediocrity. Perhaps if we really had fallen into non-league decline as some teams have then our fans might be less arrogant. We're so self-important, we act like judge,jury and executioner, we act like the fans are more important than anything else and I honestly believe many feel that way. They soon get offender when a manager isn't going to get on their knees and suck up to them at every opportunity.
Yes I’m no fan of DA ( understatement ) but I definitely didn’t do a hatchet job on hurst thank you. |
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A 10 year old boy behind me called it spot on shrieking in his best balls not dropped yet voice " hey artell, just get it up top and stop f.cking about with it"
Jus saying, it ain't rocket science Dave.
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One of the biggest FFS moments yesterday was a short corner at the Imperial Ave corner....a Stockport player was stood about 5 yds away but they still tried to take it..lost the ball and Stockport were in on the counter.....I mean just why would you even try that ?? Beggar's belief.
5 yards away! Don't think so, they have to be 10 yards away when the corner is taken. |
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So would you all prefer that we brought back Russel Slade?
MK1 yes tbf - first season he tried similiar to what Artell is now , total football . Was a joy to watch but in the end didn't bring success in league 2 . Changed to a more 'league 2 style' second season and it was mighty effective . I'm not sure league 2 has changed much , to do well you seem to need industrial , physical and organised teams that can play a bit - yes there is Notts trying to play like Barcelona but I have not seen any others of note - Mansfield can play but mix it aswell, same with Stockport and Barrow who impressed me most . |
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He said that is the first goal we've conceded as a direct result of playing out from the back. Is he right? On the basis we've conceded16 in the last four home games just maybe the problem isnt confined to that area of the performance
i think theres something in this. if memory serves most have come from turnovers in play. ie hoof ball up and not win it or we loose posession in the oposiitons half and they run at us at pace(often but not always down our right hand side). |
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5 yards away! Don't think so, they have to be 10 yards away when the corner is taken.
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One of the biggest FFS moments yesterday was a short corner at the Imperial Ave corner....a Stockport player was stood about 5 yds away but they still tried to take it..lost the ball and Stockport were in on the counter.....I mean just why would you even try that ?? Beggar's belief.
My dad was doing his nut when that happened, but it did lead to something very unusual - a very rare piece of defending from Rodgers to stop them getting a 4th, this team are absolute sausages, |
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Can we get rid of this post, or at least change the title to reflect what he actually said…
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Stockport was our only home defeat in playing 5 of the top 7 teams at home (I believe so anyway).
But we have conceded a shedload of goals at home and taken 1 point at home from the last 15.
We drop points from winning positions. We sometimes capitulate after going a goal down. We have no leadership on the pitch and worse of all, we have no fight. All critical weaknesses when in a relegation fight. Not great reasons for optimism unfortunately.
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Artells away record is played 5, won 1 drawn 3, lost 1 so 6 points from 5 games
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My dad was doing his nut when that happened, but it did lead to something very unusual - a very rare piece of defending from Rodgers to stop them getting a 4th, this team are absolute sausages,
Sorry to disagree they are not sausages. Sausages are very tasty which the team isn't but they perform like a load of old bangers. |
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Tweet 1757093727254806752 will appear here... Hopefully he means interesting in a good way |
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5 yards away! Don't think so, they have to be 10 yards away when the corner is taken.
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Tweet 1757093727254806752 will appear here... Hopefully he means interesting in a good way
Curiouser and curiouser. It’s pretty common for Town managers to give batshít interviews prior to pressing the eject button on their GTFC career. I hope, for Artell’s sake, this isn’t that. |
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Given Tonduer likes to be the star of the show at times and has already appeared to take a dislike to Artell, I feel this can only be a bad thing…
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Don’t think his characterisation of what went on under Hurst is accurate at all.
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Why should we be worried that it might be a bad thing? What’s the worst that can happen? Artell tees up a prelude to quitting? He’s not going to, but if he did…..it’s not going great is it. I’d care less about that than about our prospective results and he ain’t winning us many points with his acumen is he.
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Sorry to say it but this guy has no idea what he’s talking about. Listening to him makes me feel even worse.
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There wasn’t much in it that was remotely interesting. Most worryingly, he just seems to be on a massive ego trip, in an ‘I’m right, Hurst was wrong’ sort of way.
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There wasn’t much in it that was remotely interesting. Most worryingly, he just seems to be on a massive ego trip, in an ‘I’m right, Hurst was wrong’ sort of way.
He’s just all over the place and not particularly coherent with his answers. Wittering on about being relegated to the Conference whacking it up, which makes no sense. It was Holloway’s excrement players and playing out which cost us points. And clearly didn't watch us last season where we played good football in spells under Hurst. |
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The more I listen to him the more, I'm sorry to say, he sounds like oloway. Tells us what we like to hear and again reassures us we won't get relegated. As far as I'm concerned, tomorrow is a big game, so time will tell.
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I think it’s a good interview, Tonduer asks some really good questions and Artell gives some pretty level headed answers whilst acknowledging that there’s a lot of issues to be resolved.
It’s the most open I’ve heard Artell so far, I’m not sure how it can be deemed to be otherwise.
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Honestly, this forum is unbelievable....complain about Hursts pragmatic, don't lose at any cost, to complaining about a man who's strong enough to believe that a change in tactics was needed....and actually Artell is correct, we did lump it up to often and people moaned about that!!
Liked what he said about Wilson, and it would appear that the players (listen to his Rose comment) are starting to buy into his methodology.
I've said it before, I'm still not convinced by Artell, but I have to give him time, its the right thing to do.
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You obviously weren't watching the TV at that point, they were clearly less than 10 yards away sadly the Ref just ignored it.
Now have a day off.
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Honestly, this forum is unbelievable....complain about Hursts pragmatic, don't lose at any cost, to complaining about a man who's strong enough to believe that a change in tactics was needed....and actually Artell is correct, we did lump it up to often and people moaned about that!!
Liked what he said about Wilson, and it would appear that the players (listen to his Rose comment) are starting to buy into his methodology.
I've said it before, I'm still not convinced by Artell, but I have to give him time, its the right thing to do.
I agree with your post but I'm undecided if Artell is a charlatan, or not. |
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It was a good honest and interesting interview and I agree with just about everything he said.
I sincerely hope we can get a couple of results and calm frayed nerves as we have been crying out for someone with a cast iron belief in playing the right way which in the end will prove vital for our long term success.
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My main takeaway from that is that Artell doesn't know what the royal "we" is.
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I haven't really connected to Artell at all up to this point. However I thought this interview was a thoughtful and honest interview. There was a lot of sense to what he was saying - I just hope we manage to secure enough points over the next few weeks to see his plan and philosophy develop.
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Overall was a pretty good interview from JT and Artell, I don’t get the few digs he made at Hurst, don’t really think they were needed - especially when we’ve not really seen any signs of improvements in the 11/2 games he’s been in the hot seat.
Huge 2 games coming up this week, let’s hope we can turn the corner.
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Yeah didnt get the Hurst digs. Weren't needed.
But thought he was honest, considered in his words, and cant fault that.
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Good interview that . He gave away a lot more than most would in his situation. 3 wins in the next 5 games and he might start to relax a bit more
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lmao the best bit is where he calls out the OP of this thread for spreading balderdash
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I really like the way he talks. He is honest and he believes in what he says. Weather it will work out or not is questionable lol but I think it's admirable that he has a plan and is going to stick to it. As I said before it could go very wrong but if it goes right we may achieve things that we definitely wouldn't have before.
I don't think he was really digging Hurst out. Some of those comments were perhaps a little ill informed but you can't really blame him for generalising our style.
Hopefully things will pick up and the questions and emotions will be very different.
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I really like the way he talks. He is honest and he believes in what he says. Weather it will work out or not is questionable lol but I think it's admirable that he has a plan and is going to stick to it. As I said before it could go very wrong but if it goes right we may achieve things that we definitely wouldn't have before.
I don't think he was really digging Hurst out. Some of those comments were perhaps a little ill informed but you can't really blame him for generalising our style.
Hopefully things will pick up and the questions and emotions will be very different.
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Talk less. Don’t feel qualified or entitled to look back and comment on history which is higher than our current predicament.. Get 3 points tomorrow. Focus on the job and the performance and how we will win against a team below us that is millions and millions of pounds in debt. Please, help us to help you and not get distracted.
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Think my favourite bit (and most ironic), was him saying that he didn’t like hearing some in the crowd behind him bawling out our young goalkeeper for his error as ‘it’s not gonna help him. It’s just not!’. Having himself just launched into him verbally.
Some encouraging bits, and I give him credit for his candour but for me, he says too much and does too little. It’s like a lecturer or professor spending hours explaining the theory and expounding the rationale, and then publishing a duff book.
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Honestly, this forum is unbelievable....complain about Hursts pragmatic, don't lose at any cost, to complaining about a man who's strong enough to believe that a change in tactics was needed....and actually Artell is correct, we did lump it up to often and people moaned about that!!
Liked what he said about Wilson, and it would appear that the players (listen to his Rose comment) are starting to buy into his methodology.
I've said it before, I'm still not convinced by Artell, but I have to give him time, its the right thing to do.
Does it occur to you that different people complained about different things? There are a few hundred voices on here and we disagree about lots of things. In general people post more when they unhappy and less when they are happy, that is human nature. People like you speak as though the Fishy was some giant amorphous cloud-like intelligence. |
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I understand why he’s name dropped Rose - too quiten or dispel any rift rumours..- but not sure I agree with him doing so. Unnecessary for me.
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lmao the best bit is where he calls out the OP of this thread for spreading balderdash
Someone called out of town, they probally are now. Just kidding out of town, it did kinda sound that way when you first heard it. |
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lmao the best bit is where he calls out the OP of this thread for spreading balderdash
Welcome to The Fishy Big D Hopefully he's printed off some of the stuff on here and it gives some of the players a rocket for tomorrow night. |
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lmao the best bit is where he calls out the OP of this thread for spreading balderdash
Covenentiently ignoring the fact that if you read down there are plenty of people who say they think it is balderdash. At the same time saying it's easier to play away from home. I think getting the BP crowd on your side is very hard and a lot of our managers have battled with it. Rob Scott, Jolley, Hurst (ear cupping), Bignot. Holloway was lucky there was no crowd. I think Hurst figured it out eventually but it took him a long time. Can't knock the interview though, he's sincere in what he believes in. I very much doubt he is going to get a year to work on his pet project though. But I will happily be proved wrong and in 20 years be sat in the David Artell stand in our brand new ground watching Championship football. |
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Covenentiently ignoring the fact that if you read down there are plenty of people who say they think it is balderdash.
I would be deeply, deeply concerned if the manager spent a single second reading the dogshíte on here. |
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He isn't wrong about the way we have played for the last 20 years, with the same outcome.
It definitely needs a new approach, but I'm not certain he is the man to deliver it. I hope I'm wrong, and I generally wait a while before passing judgement on managers or players, but something just doesn't feel right about him to me.
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He isn't wrong about the way we have played for the last 20 years, with the same outcome.
It definitely needs a new approach, but I'm not certain he is the man to deliver it. I hope I'm wrong, and I generally wait a while before passing judgement on managers or players, but something just doesn't feel right about him to me.
That’s about where I am too. Really enthused by the home performance against Crewe but we’ve been generally awful since at BP. I’m only guessing but he thinks he can get us safe and, if he does, he’ll be with us for a while. |
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I would be deeply, deeply concerned if the manager spent a single second reading the dogshíte on here.
Sometimes it is a good idea to get out of the echo chamber where everyone tells him what he wants to hear. The abuse from the Main Stand is a thousand times worse anyway and he can't ignore that, it has broken many! |
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Haven’t sat in the Main Stand for about 20 years. What do they all say?!
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Haven’t sat in the Main Stand for about 20 years. What do they all say?!
Hoof it, by the sounds of it. |
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Hoof it, by the sounds of it.
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I would be deeply, deeply concerned if the manager spent a single second reading the dogshíte on here.
He doesn't read it, it was Tondeur who informed him of the post. |
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Like others I thought it a decent interview, ( a question re Hunt’s fall from grace would have been welcomed by me ), and DA is very clear on how he wants to play and that’s not going to change whether the BP faithful go into meltdown or not.
Interesting discussion about Russell Martin & Southampton this morning who whilst now on a long unbeaten run had a few iffy results as they adapted to his new style earlier in the season. The focus of the discussion was when Martin was managing MK Dons and having introduced his new style there they asked him the old chestnut what is plan B if plan A doesn’t work? His response was there is, nor will be, a Plan B we just have to get better at the way we play plan A. Clearly DA is of the same mould and we will either get some bloody good football to watch or get relegated trying to play his way.
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lmao the best bit is where he calls out the OP of this thread for spreading balderdash
This is typical of you, putting stuff on here that is not correct. This is what he said, and I quote, "You just told me that the fans forum, which I don't go on is saying that I am blaming the crowd for defeats. I'm pretty sure that if we get the transcript that is not what I said at all". So where in those two sentences did he call out the OP of that thread for spreading balderdash? You love making stuff up to fit your agenda don't you! |
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That quote suggests that's exactly what he said |
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Oh dear. Sometimes I wish a Mod would delete a thread and we can start it all again as ver 2.0, but improved.
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Oh dear. Sometimes I wish a Mod would delete a thread and we can start it all again as ver 2.0, but improved.
ok - but not this thread. Just delete is fine. |
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He doesn't read it, it was Tondeur who informed him of the post.
Yeah, sounded like Tondeur had told him about it before the interview started. "Hey Dave guess what they are saying on The Fishy...", probably only giving the opinion of OP and ignoring the many balancing views on here. Anyway, Hi John! You're clearly a lurker not a poster. |
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Yeah, sounded like Tondeur had told him about it before the interview started. "Hey Dave guess what they are saying on The Fishy...", probably only giving the opinion of OP and ignoring the many balancing views on here.
Anyway, Hi John! You're clearly a lurcher not a poster.
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Hoof it, by the sounds of it.
I sit in the main stand and I don’t shout hoof it as I’m prepared to give it the time that is needed but yes many around me are now shouting/screaming hoof it and generally abusing everything that’s trying to be done. I find it extremely disappointing and whilst I’m here I’ll say the playing away thing is a thing as generally the support are doing what it says on the tin, supporting!!! |
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Yeah, sounded like Tondeur had told him about it before the interview started. "Hey Dave guess what they are saying on The Fishy...", probably only giving the opinion of OP and ignoring the many balancing views on here.
Anyway, Hi John! You're clearly a lurker not a poster.
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Quoted from 123614
This is typical of you, putting stuff on here that is not correct. This is what he said, and I quote, "You just told me that the fans forum, which I don't go on is saying that I am blaming the crowd for defeats. I'm pretty sure that if we get the transcript that is not what I said at all".
So where in those two sentences did he call out the OP of that thread for spreading balderdash?
You love making stuff up to fit your agenda don't you!
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Quoted from 123614
This is typical of you, putting stuff on here that is not correct. This is what he said, and I quote, "You just told me that the fans forum, which I don't go on is saying that I am blaming the crowd for defeats. I'm pretty sure that if we get the transcript that is not what I said at all".
So where in those two sentences did he call out the OP of that thread for spreading balderdash?
You love making stuff up to fit your agenda don't you!
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That quote suggests that's exactly what he said
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Another day another attack from the keyboard Pootin
Really? That's what you see when I call out a guy for lying in this thread. Unbelievable. |
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Artell just said that once the fans got on the players backs for passing it out from the back, they didn’t stick to the game plan, started whacking it forward and cost us the game.
The bloke is an complete fraud
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| February 13, 2024, 7:01pm |
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Bollox you liar
Artell just said that once the fans got on the players backs for passing it out from the back, they didn’t stick to the game plan, started whacking it forward and cost us the game. The bloke is an complete fraud. No he is not. The players didn't stick to the plan, therefore it was their fault, FFS they need to grow a pair and ignore the crowd, and stick to the plan they have trained for all week. They are not 12 year old kids, they are grown men! |
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Quoted from 123614
Artell just said that once the fans got on the players backs for passing it out from the back, they didn’t stick to the game plan, started whacking it forward and cost us the game.
The bloke is an complete fraud.
No he is not. The players didn't stick to the plan, therefore it was their fault, FFS they need to grow a pair and ignore the crowd, and stick to the plan they have trained for all week. They are not 12 year old kids, they are grown men!
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Stallingbrough? Healing? Brigg? Or further? |
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| 123614 |
| February 14, 2024, 8:50am |
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Out of town needs to be out of town
# You lost me there mate! |
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| February 14, 2024, 9:42am |
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Christ it’s like being back at junior school on here at times…he said, she said..no I didn’t..yes you did..name calling, cantankerous folk.
You’re adults are you not????
Discuss/debate - then Agree, disagree..agree to disagree..without all the crap.
Not a hard concept.. 🙄
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| February 14, 2024, 1:44pm |
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Christ it’s like being back at junior school on here at times…he said, she said..no I didn’t..yes you did..name calling, cantankerous folk.
You’re adults are you not????
Discuss/debate - then Agree, disagree..agree to disagree..without all the crap.
Not a hard concept.. 🙄
Absolutely correct. Notwithstanding who said what, Mr Artell ought to look at his record, look at the league table, remember that we've already spent too much time in non league and work out for himself why the natives are restless. It's not flipping rocket science. |
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Absolutely correct.
Notwithstanding who said what, Mr Artell ought to look at his record, look at the league table, remember that we've already spent too much time in non league and work out for himself why the natives are restless. It's not flipping rocket science.
Is that review process part of the "project" plan? |
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Is that review process part of the "project" plan?
It may well be. The project looks a bit like a SpaceX launch at present, unsure when or if it's ever going to get off the ground. |
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| friskneymariner |
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Christ it’s like being back at junior school on here at times…he said, she said..no I didn’t..yes you did..name calling, cantankerous folk.
You’re adults are you not????
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Not a hard concept.. 🙄
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Hegelian Dialectic Thesis-Antithesis =Synthesis
Which would normally mean compromise. Therein some of the perceived problem. According to Kant, the ancient Greeks used the word "dialectic" to signify the logic of false appearance or semblance. So it all comes down to who are Hegel's supporters and who are Kants. |
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| February 14, 2024, 6:39pm |
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Which would normally mean compromise. Therein some of the perceived problem.
According to Kant, the ancient Greeks used the word "dialectic" to signify the logic of false appearance or semblance.
So it all comes down to who are Hegel's supporters and who are Kants.
Excellent. |
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Which would normally mean compromise. Therein some of the perceived problem.
According to Kant, the ancient Greeks used the word "dialectic" to signify the logic of false appearance or semblance.
So it all comes down to who are Hegel's supporters and who are Kants.
I think I once overheard Rob Scott calling out some fans for being Kants. |
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