Jeremy Corbyn

Brilliant piece by Frankie Boyle doing the rounds today.

http://www.theguardian.com/com.....ritish-frankie-boyle

I've generally kept out of this for now.  However, it's only fair that I provide my thought(s) (don't want to overdo it, I can be a bit hard of thinking).  

Corbyn seems like a decent principled guy who will actually provide a different perspective to our politics.  I think this is incredibly important for our country.  There will finally be a difference between the two main parties rather than the non opposition we saw under Milliband and Balls.  Someone needs to stand up to some of the worst excesses of the current government (and lets face it, there's a fair amount that they've got wrong).  

That said, I'd like to highlight a major issue that I have with JC.  It appears that he is listening closely to his "adviser" on the economy, Richard Murphy.  I've heard him described by someone who shall remain nameless but who I have a deep respect for as a "a dangerous and influential idiot".  For those of you who haven't heard of him, he is a failed accountant who went on to write some satirical articles and is now a self styled expert on tax fairness (among other things). He recently wrote a paper for the Green Party in the European Parliament on profit shifting by major Banks. This simplified mess of a paper even contained basic factual errors like having the exchange rates used for some of the calculations round the wrong way. in spite of this, the Green Party are now using this paper to lobby in the European Parliament.  If Corbyn is to have a chance of winning the election, he has to distance himself from these types of characters to retain any credibility at all.

I'll watch with interest over the next few months to see how things develop but it should be a really interesting time for politics in this country.

Quoted from Grim74

FFS he quotes the guardian!

And reports from the IFS, OECD, various charitable foundations, academic work, blogs of Economics professors etc etc. You, on the other hand, post the odd link to articles on the Spectator (ha ha!) and random blogs elsewhere.

You've obviously got a very poor memory, by the way, as I've told you repeated times I don't work in the public sector and never have done.

I'll address your earlier lengthy post when I get the chance later on. I've only skimmed through it but I thin that all I need to do to rebut everything you say is search through some of my earlier posts including many from the General Election thread. Plenty of links to data there that clearly rebuts all arguments.

I'll post some links a bit later on.

Quoted from Grim74

"Lack of wage growth"  you cry! Are you talking about the public sector? If so great news these wages had grown far to big in comparison with the similar jobs in the private sector, we just need to reduce the size now (brown increased this to 52% during his unelected tenure) and then boost the private sector which after all creates all the wealth in our economy.

I can't be arsed to hack the rest of your nonsensical post to pieces, but this is total rubbish. A lack of wage growth in any sector is A Bad Thing. Just today it was quietly revealed that the UK's budget defecit had risen to £12.1bn (the highest level since 2011 and considerably higher than expected by analysts). The main reason for this? A fall in tax receipts due to stagnant wage growth. Why's there been a lack of wage growth? Because Gideon Oliver "George" Osborne's supposed economic recovery has been based around an increase in part-time, zero-hour and self-employed jobs as well as further inflation of our ridiculous housing bubble! Only 1 in 40 jobs created since the recession have been full-time (http://www.theguardian.com/bus.....loyee-tuc-employment) and the exchequer's now feeling the effects of this sham recovery through reduced income tax receipts.

A strong public sector with well renumerated staff is necessary for this country to function. Where would the private sector be without a functioning public sector containing things like roads, railway infrastructure, street lights, the police, the fire service and schools? Clearly you don't believe this as you've bought into the "lazy public sector workers" argument spread by the Tories and a complicit media. The wonderful and amazing private sector is hardly picking up the slack and showing the public sector where it's supposedly going wrong either - our national productivity is at the lowest level since World War 2 (http://www.theguardian.com/bus.....-since-wwii-says-ons).

George Osborne is a total fraud. As Maringer has quite clearly pointed out (with an array of well sourced evidence - not just from 'left wing newspapers') it isn't working for the poorest and most vulnerable in society. It's not working for me (a middle-class professional in his mid 20s with a respectable job stuck in rented accommodation with no hope of buying a house in the next decade). It's only working for those who already own a home, already have loads of assets, already have a huge pension saved up. The goal of a civilised society should be to ensure that the next generation are better off than the last. Up until recently that was clearly happening, but it's not any longer.

Truly excellent contribution Chrisblor...

As Chrisblor notes, the people struggling most are the younger generations.

I'm early 40s and my house in Cleethorpes which I bought when I was 29 is now 'worth' twice as much as I paid for it. And don't forget that N.E. Lincs is one of the areas of the country which has seen the smallest growth in property prices.

In comparison, my wife's sisters are both teachers who have just turned 30 and they are struggling to make ends meet down in Norwich (and Warwick respectively) even though they are sharing a house with their husband (and fiance respectively). The one who is married only bought a house last year with her husband after they had lived with his parents for a year. He's a teacher as well yet they have had to really stretch themselves financially to buy a small 2 bedroom house.

The other sister and her fiance can't possibly afford to buy so are renting near Warwick where they work.

I left University with practically no debt to speak of and could easily afford to buy a decent house on my own during my late 20s. Just 13 or so years later, my wife's sisters (and their partners) still have considerable debts from their student years - 4 years as a student for teachers, don't forget - and can either just barely afford to buy a house or simply can't even contemplate it with the current market.

I don't think my relative comfort is anything to do with being particularly clever, or working hard or anything other than being born in the early 1970s instead of the mid-1980s. Simple as that. I'm comfortable, my friends are doing very well (some have made a killing on 3 or 4 houses as they've moved around the country over the years) yet people with identical or better educations and qualifications haven't got a chance just because they were born half a generation later than me.

That's the society in which we're living. It's simply not sustainable yet Osborne's plans (which aren't working in any case) to 'balance the books' rely on consumers increasing their personal debt even further to levels higher than 2008! Anybody defending this must have half a brain.

Quoted from Marinerz93

http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/swearingin/a

He won't sing the national anthem but he will kneel at the Queen's feet, and kiss her hand so he can get a position on the Privy Council, offered to him by Cameron.

Yeah, because he has to, as i pointed out. I guess he'd much rather not.

Quoted from mariner91

The pig incident isn't used as a dig trying to label you a Tory. You are pouring scorn on Corbyn for not singing the national anthem as though it's the crime of the century (it's not, look how many people on this thread alone truly couldn't give a shite) but sticking your package into a dead animal is definitely worse when it comes to selling and representing the UK. You claim Corbyn would make a terrible leader for whatever reason but I'd much rather see him in 10 Downing Street than old pasty face. As Ginny pointed out, the swearing an oath of allegiance to the Queen is an archaic ritual which has to be performed if you want to serve the people of this country, which Corbyn clearly believes he is trying to do.

Didn't read the first part due to buffer face.

The pig incident deserves it's own thread when it has been proven said person carried out such a stupid act.  That person should lose his position as a public servant if it is proved he did what is claimed. All you have done is try detract from the original debate by getting over excited by a scorned torry millionaire who wanted something from Cameron and when he didn't get it, wrote a book.

The fishy has proved many times before that it is more republican and maybe Grimsby as a town is more republican, we did consider ourselves an outpost of Norway at one point in our history.  Until there is a national vote, neither side can claim what the majority of people think.

The oath of allegiance dates back to 1215 becoming a statue law in 1297. Corbyn is like the other republican politicians since then, when they get a taste of the good life they change their tune and you never hear a peep from them again and that's the way it will be for the foreseeable future. I wonder if he is looking forward to kneeling before the queen before he kisses her hand, something he knew he would have to do before becoming the leader of the party.

I also don't like Corbyn's view on Northern Ireland and the Falklands or Malvinas as Corbyn calls them to his Argentinian friends at the Argentinian embassy he often visits, and they say "Jeremy Corbyn is 'one of ours' " . I won't get into that with you

Quoted from Marinerz93

Didn't read the first part due to buffer face.

The pig incident deserves it's own thread when it has been proven said person carried out such a stupid act.  That person should lose his position as a public servant if it is proved he did what is claimed. All you have done is try detract from the original debate by getting over excited by a scorned torry millionaire who wanted something from Cameron and when he didn't get it, wrote a book.

The fishy has proved many times before that it is more republican and maybe Grimsby as a town is more republican, we did consider ourselves an outpost of Norway at one point in our history.  Until there is a national vote, neither side can claim what the majority of people think.

The oath of allegiance dates back to 1215 becoming a statue law in 1297. Corbyn is like the other republican politicians since then, when they get a taste of the good life they change their tune and you never hear a peep from them again and that's the way it will be for the foreseeable future. I wonder if he is looking forward to kneeling before the queen before he kisses her hand, something he knew he would have to do before becoming the leader of the party.

I also don't like Corbyn's view on Northern Ireland and the Falklands or Malvinas as Corbyn calls them to his Argentinian friends at the Argentinian embassy he often visits, and they say "Jeremy Corbyn is 'one of ours' " . I won't get into that with you

So if the Scots on the west coast had voted to leave the Uk and the Scots on the east coast had voted to stay should Scotland have been divided in 2 like Ireland?  Ireland costs us a fortune in this country the Irish are Irish and protestants who moved there and live there should accept that just as we should expect immigrants to follow the rules in England.

The fact that are you defending  in a so called democracy elected officials being forced to kneel before someone because they were born lucky is astonishing.   Your support of st.George also seems ironic seeing as many believe he was Syrian or  Turk of greek ancestory who apparently killed a dragon... even the mail would be stretched with that story

Quoted from Maringer

Why not? As I've noted earlier in this thread, many of his policies don't differ a great deal to those of the Conservatives from the 1970s and earlier. Thatcher began the rightward swing, New Labour mostly kept the status quo in many respects and then the coalition and new Tory government have been implementing stuff which even Thatcher wouldn't have considered possible. All this has lead to is greater transfer of wealth to the richest in society and greater inequality.

The idea that Corbyn is some kind of a rabid left-wing nutjob just doesn't stand up to scrutiny when you listen to what he says and the outlines of his policies, regardless of what the media would have you believe.

He has some points that I agree with him but I generally have agreed with spending cuts. Corbyn is not a nut job but I am 25 years self employed and after Brown have very little faith in socialist economics. There is terrible inequality I agree but I do like hard work to be rewarded and higher taxation of the wealthy although popular is not always proven as an economic winner. I work in finance , usually in London, and have seen crazy waste in the mixed up councils in London. Good luck to everybody with their own choices and much is determined by your background. Mine is very working class and I have grafted very hard and all over the place hence I only want to pay benefits for those in real need and not those who are not prepared to graft