Jeremy Corbyn

Even Ed Balls-up admitting the working class would take the hit for Corbo's Socialism, costed my bottom.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/.....vish-spending-plans/

Quoted from Grim74

A price worth paying to keep Corbo out you need to ask yourself
A. How much he would cost the tax payer?
B. Would Corbo contemplate a deal with the DUP like Brown did?

We'll never know because it didn't happen but what we do know now is that everything the Tories professed a Labour government to be, that would destroy the country is being carried out by themselves. A dubious coalition of chaos involving a party with not only terrorist sympathies but terrorist alliances who just rinsed the government for a cool 1 billion pounds(magic money tree?). And what makes it even more bizarre is the DUP generally always vote with the Tories anyway. And it was all completely unnecessary, May would have  had a majority, done what she wanted with Brexit and be over a billion pounds better off. Instead she believed what the unfounded Looney media were telling her about how popular she was and called an election which all went to excrement.

You can share all the quotes and stats that you want from the Telegraph, Guardian, or University of Bamber Gascoigne but the undeniable reality is that the country is worse off than it was, the government is lead by a bunch of inept weirdos who inspire zero confidence and even then there's still Brexit to come but I suppose I'm just talking the country down and being unpatriotic (c) Andrea Leadsom.

In the words of Fraser out of the Dads Army. "Dooooommmmmeeedddd!"

Quoted from Skrill

Venezuela's previous president, Hugo Chavez, set the stage for the country's destruction by spending Venezuela's oil money on social programs designed to boost his popularity even as he set about wrecking the country's assets, expropriating most valuable private companies. Jeremy Corbyn's recent skint at the middle-class Glastonbury concert talked about "scrapping the current system, it is now time for a new "system" that works for "everyone". This is what happened to Venezuela, socialists (or what we have, out-right Communist-Marxists), touting equal wealth by socialism, when in reality it is the cheapest political trick.

One last time. Venezuela is absolutely nothing like the UK and the UK could never become like Venezuela if the moderate social democratic policies of the Labour Party were enacted. Look towards the Scandinavian democracies such as Norway, Sweden, Denmark and the like to see what we should be aiming for. Better living standards from greater public spending (and taxation of the wealthy) leading to better education, lower poverty, lower inequality.

The attempted comparison to Venezuela is preposterous as it has long been one of the most corrupt countries in the world and was a petro kleptocracy long before Chavez came to power (and long before he attempted to carry out a coup back in 1992). Chavez undoubtedly attempted to get rid of much of the previous corrupt establishment (which attempted a coup against him in 2002) but corruption remained endemic. Chavez undoubtedly did some good spending a lot of money on the poorest Venezuelans (which is what Corbyn praised) and improving health, education and reducing poverty, but let's not forget that first and foremost he was a populist and his main aim was to cement his own position. Now, whether or not Chavez was worse than the previous corrupt governments, I can't say, but I'd say that the 'socialism' has less to do with the country's problems than the corruption and the fragile state of their society. At the very least, you'd have to say it was poor planning from Chavez - having vast potential oil wealth is all well and good, but they ended up with 95% of the country's economy being reliant on oil and once the oil price collapsed they were stuffed.

In fact, the oil price collapse wasn't the only problem because Venezuela also has large amounts of foreign debt (denominated in US dollars) and it seems the current president Maduro has been servicing these foreign debts rather than buying food for his citizens:

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/02/29/venezuela-is-making-surreal-suicidal-debt-payments.html

https://www.bloomberg.com/news.....-bonds-quicktake-q-a

An interesting choice, to say the least.

As for Corbyn, it seems he praised Chavez on occasions for the good things for the Venezuelan poor that he did but it doesn't seem he was very critical about some of the other policies which were enacted. Probably a failing on his part to some degree. If you like, you can equate this to the way that the Tories never criticise the Saudis for their illiberal policies and support of terrorist groups. Or the DUP, or that matter!

Quoted from Grim74

Even Ed Balls-up admitting the working class would take the hit for Corbo's Socialism, costed my bottom.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/.....vish-spending-plans/

Not the first time Ed Balls has been wrong.

Surprising, really, as he's a highly-educated economist but he's obviously been in politics so long that he's forgotten pretty much all he learned about macroeconomics while at university. Either that or he can't admit he was wrong support the abandonment of too many moderate left-wing policies back in the New Labour era.

I'll say it again - the Scandinavian social democracies show what we should be doing with our country and what could be achieved. I still find it amazing that so many are so desperate to follow the horribly flawed American neo-liberal model which is seeing society collapse around us.

Yawning gaps in inequality, housing and asset bubbles making property and rent almost unaffordable, vast and ever-increasing private debts, most of the wealth going to rentiers who do nothing to earn it. It's a shocking situation, yet still people vote for more punishment for the young and the poor, preferring to doff their caps to the wealthy.

Quoted from Manchester Mariner

We'll never know because it didn't happen but what we do know now is that everything the Tories professed a Labour government to be, that would destroy the country is being carried out by themselves. A dubious coalition of chaos involving a party with not only terrorist sympathies but terrorist alliances who just rinsed the government for a cool 1 billion pounds(magic money tree?). And what makes it even more bizarre is the DUP generally always vote with the Tories anyway. And it was all completely unnecessary, May would have  had a majority, done what she wanted with Brexit and be over a billion pounds better off. Instead she believed what the unfounded Looney media were telling her about how popular she was and called an election which all went to excrement.

You can share all the quotes and stats that you want from the Telegraph, Guardian, or University of Bamber Gascoigne but the undeniable reality is that the country is worse off than it was, the government is lead by a bunch of inept weirdos who inspire zero confidence and even then there's still Brexit to come but I suppose I'm just talking the country down and being unpatriotic (c) Andrea Leadsom.

In the words of Fraser out of the Dads Army. "Dooooommmmmeeedddd!"

You moan about a billion but want this shower of excrement in

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/18/nhs-records-system-10bn