Jeremy Corbyn

Frightening the Blairite career politicians by talking a bit of sense and actually wanting to make the country more equal

Well, Corbyn originally entered the leadership contest as a stalking horse to mix things up a bit, but he's the only one of the candidates not tarred by New Labour in some way (Kendall doesn't really count because she's clearly a closet Tory) and you do at least get the feeling he's a proper person with no doubt about his principles.

The funny thing is that he's portrayed as a left-wing fanatic by the (mostly right-wing) media, but if you actually look at his record, he's been right about pretty much everything he's campaigned for during his long career! He's not in it for the power or the glory, that's for sure. Apparently a very self-effacing man.

I think the problem is that he probably wouldn't be able to succeed as leader of the Labour party for a number of reasons. He's not slick with the media as successful modern politicians need to be, he's clearly not spent his career trying to network and toady up to backers like most modern politicians and he's getting on a bit as well. The man actually has some substance to him which, looking at most modern politicians of all stripes, seems to be an unusual trait! Too much in his record for the right-wing press to attack - I can only imagine some of the mendacious bullshit they would print about him. Miliband was mildly left-wing though with centrist policies and they were printing a lie a day in the run up to the last election.

Hopefully Corbyn will do well enough in the contest to get rid of the appalling Kendall and will drag the Overton Window of the Labour party back leftwards so that Burnham or Cooper can take the leadership and actually go for the moderate policies which benefit the whole of the country instead of following the Tories rightwards which would destroy any semblance of equality in the country.

What a comical farce the Labour Party has fast become, they bring in this nutcase socialist as a token leftist to widen the debate and now he's surging ahead as the true face of labour   clueless!

I have to agree with Trisram Hunt that Labour could (will be in my opinion) be the new Woolworths!
Until these muppets get a grip of reality and realise why they lost the election they will continue their slide to extinction.

Nutcase socialist? Do tell more.

The wiki page is a decent enough run down of his various causes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn

Don't see anything nutty there myself.

Of course, I don't doubt you're just believing everything you're told by the Telegraph/Mail/Times/Express (delete as applicable). Other than casting wild aspersions around about him, I've not seen the right wing media come up with stuff which indicates he's anything more than a sensible socialist.

Quoted from Maringer

Nutcase socialist? Do tell more.

The wiki page is a decent enough run down of his various causes:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Corbyn

Don't see anything nutty there myself.

Of course, I don't doubt you're just believing everything you're told by the Telegraph/Mail/Times/Express (delete as applicable). Other than casting wild aspersions around about him, I've not seen the right wing media come up with stuff which indicates he's anything more than a sensible socialist.

Yea and the wiki page doesn't mention Vladimir Lenin being nutty!

Wild aspersions? Like the fact he's on record as a terrorist sympathiser -
http://www.politico.eu/article/labour-hamas-London-ira/

His Lenin views are totally of of touch with a modern society and the aspirations of working people, a socialist nutcase of the uppermost, the man is a reincarnated Micheal Foot dinosaur.

If he gets the vote and I pray he does then Labour will capitulate, remember this is the man who rebelled against his own party 533 times since they came to power in 1997, he would cause splits right through the party he would cause mayhem.

Right I'm of to cast my vote .........£3.00

Hmmm. Rather short on evidence. Again. It's becoming a bit of a habit for you, isn't it?

Comparing Lenin (communist revolutionary) to Corbyn (moderate socialist and lifelong Labour party member) is one of the most bizarre things I've seen for some time. Comical, actually.

Amusing hit piece posted from Politico, American right-wing site. Lots of insinuation, not much fact in there.

Looking at the record, you'll note that Corbyn has been a supporter of Palestinian causes for a long time (not surprising when you consider that there are literally millions of Palestinians living in refugee camps around the middle east which have been established for many decades), so it's not surprising he's had some association with Hamas.

He also met with Sinn Fein in the past in an attempt to advance the peace process. No doubt you think this is awful as well.

As regards the vexed question of Israel/Palestine, it is often difficult to pick out what is true or not. The Israeli propaganda machine is pretty powerful (see the Politico piece) and I'd imagine the truth lies somewhere between the two extremes. No doubt which side Corbyn is leaning towards. Will be interesting to see what happens at the hustings on Monday as it wouldn't surprise me to see plenty of aggressive questions being sent his way. Lets see how he deals with them.

It's also amusing that you're criticising him for going against the whip on numerous occasions as if that's a bad thing. If you don't agree with a policy, why should you vote in support of it? Much more laudable than doing what you're told just to advance your career.

Considering your views about Blair, it's also amusing that you're so much against Corbyn as he voted against the Iraq (and every other) War started by the Labour government - against the party line you're criticising him for not toeing!

Anyway, heading off for the weekend now.

A couple of weeks ago Corbyn was 20/1 with some bookies now he's third favourite at 7/2

Do you think he actually entered the contest as a serious candidate or just to stir things up and stop others trying to out-tory each other

I like Corbyn and welcome any move back to the left and away from the centre ground most modern career politicians tread. Unfortunately, he would get slaughtered by the press in the same way Michael Foot did, which is a pity.

The country is full of people who are scared of the left because the right wing press tell them to be. I can't understand why working people are so scared of a party that represents them and without whom, they'd be a lot worse off. The NHS wouldn't exist without socialism and we'd still be living in some kind of cap doffing Victorian hell.

Quoted from Maringer

Hmmm. Rather short on evidence. Again. It's becoming a bit of a habit for you, isn't it?

Comparing Lenin (communist revolutionary) to Corbyn (moderate socialist and lifelong Labour party member) is one of the most bizarre things I've seen for some time. Comical, actually.

Amusing hit piece posted from Politico, American right-wing site. Lots of insinuation, not much fact in there.

Looking at the record, you'll note that Corbyn has been a supporter of Palestinian causes for a long time (not surprising when you consider that there are literally millions of Palestinians living in refugee camps around the middle east which have been established for many decades), so it's not surprising he's had some association with Hamas.

He also met with Sinn Fein in the past in an attempt to advance the peace process. No doubt you think this is awful as well.

As regards the vexed question of Israel/Palestine, it is often difficult to pick out what is true or not. The Israeli propaganda machine is pretty powerful (see the Politico piece) and I'd imagine the truth lies somewhere between the two extremes. No doubt which side Corbyn is leaning towards. Will be interesting to see what happens at the hustings on Monday as it wouldn't surprise me to see plenty of aggressive questions being sent his way. Lets see how he deals with them.

It's also amusing that you're criticising him for going against the whip on numerous occasions as if that's a bad thing. If you don't agree with a policy, why should you vote in support of it? Much more laudable than doing what you're told just to advance your career.

Considering your views about Blair, it's also amusing that you're so much against Corbyn as he voted against the Iraq (and every other) War started by the Labour government - against the party line you're criticising him for not toeing!

Anyway, heading off for the weekend now.

'Short on evidence'  Who do you think you are, the fishy forum judge?

Is this all because I mocked your non biased evidence academic research  
Come on Maringer you was fair game, do you really expect me to post links to back up every single issue that I comment on, really are you mad?
Besides its common knowledge Corbyn is a serial terrorist sympathiser, but anyway read this, I do hope it's not to biased straight from the yogurt knitters central
http://leftfootforward.org/2015/06/an-open-letter-to-jeremy-corbyn/

I would go as far as to say he's a traitor but that's just my opinion. ...No link required!

There is a thin line between what amounts to communism and socialism depending on definitions, but one thing they most certainly have in common is failure, and Mr Corbyn the Lennin hat wearing, Morning Star (commi rag) columnist, champion of lost causes, can relate to both in abundance whilst living in a free market country.

I'm not going to get into your tangent on the old Palestine v Israel who's right and who's wrong debate, the bottom line is Corbyn got into bed with a terrorist organisation, and then unashamedly invited them to parliament - did you read the link?  I told you he was nuts.
Maybe he forgot Hezbollah were accused of mass war crimes by amnesty international, a charity he is a member off.

Regarding Sinn Fein it's also public knowledge that the Corbyn  caused outrage by inviting them along with Gerry Adams to the commons, this was just weeks after the murdering scumbags tried to bomb Thatcher and her cabinet.

He then went on to observe a minutes silence for IRA scum that had been killed by our crack troops,  they were killed whilst cowardly setting more bombs off in their attempt to kill more innocent people, but Corbyn the traitor during a troops out meeting stood there to 'honour' the eight.

Can you imagine what he would do with the Falklands? ....... No need to answer enough said enjoy your weekend.

Quoted from ginnywings

I like Corbyn and welcome any move back to the left and away from the centre ground most modern career politicians tread. Unfortunately, he would get slaughtered by the press in the same way Michael Foot did, which is a pity.

The country is full of people who are scared of the left because the right wing press tell them to be. I can't understand why working people are so scared of a party that represents them and without whom, they'd be a lot worse off. The NHS wouldn't exist without socialism and we'd still be living in some kind of cap doffing Victorian hell.

"I can't  understand why working people are so scared of a party that represents them and without whom, they'd be a lot worse off"

Labour haven't represented the working class for a long time and it's about time the left woke up and accepted this reality, instead of putting the blame on  Murdoch and co, as if they have brainwashed the weak minded! the arrogance from the left is outstanding.

Labour is still controlled by the unions whose ideology based on a working class of manual labours has been out of date for years, most workers today will see themselves as middle class or at least aiming for that.

People want better for themselves a nice car, nice house, good school for the kids, with a nice holiday now and then , but labour are against all this their policies are based on class warfare and they seek to punish success.

"The NHS wouldn't exist without socialism"

The NHS is one big drain it doesn't matter how much money gets thrown at it it will continue to drain, totally inefficient costing every man woman and child over £2000 -https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Health_Service_(England)

The Guardian will tell you it's the envy of the world but it's not even ranked in the top 10 of 33 European healthcare systems - http://www.healthpowerhouse.com/index.php?Itemid=55
If it was that good why as no other country in the world thought it a good idea to copy us?
It's about time we got rid of this burden and started again.