Jeremy Corbyn

Quoted from grimsby pete

Maringer have you ever thought of going into politics ?

Quoted from mariner91

Which saying? Moral fibre? Someone's ability to do what is morally correct in a particular situation? I'd say sticking your cock in to a dead animal is less morally correct than not singing the national anthem but then perhaps you consider a lack of "national pride" as worse than bestiality and necrophilia.

I see you are still suffering with the inability to actually debate something so resort to juvenile references to a tv advert.

Quoted from Marinerz93

What is the point of debating with you, you already admitted you don't research information given to you (Sweden's problems with immigration) and then post something about butter face which proves you don't take in what you read.  This alleged incident requires it's own thread but you throw it at me is if I'm some sort of Torry.  I can't stand the Torries, millionaires restricting the opportunities and services of the working class.

You are comparing two different situations as though they are the same which they are not.  Where did I say one was worse than the other. I would say the alleged pig incident if true is worse than not singing the national anthem on a scale below

Doing naughty things with animals be they dead or alive - 10 the worst - should be sacked with immediate effect.

Not singing the national anthem as a leader of the opposition  - 7 very poor - Should be given the chance to redeem himself and sing the national anthem. Which it looks like he is going to do, I will watch eagerly to see if he puts enough heart into it though  

If it was you, not singing the national anthem I would look on you with disdain, however someone in a position to sell and represent the UK should honour their duties which they signed up to when they swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen.

Hope you manage to take in what I have said, wouldn't want you to misread or make something up again.

Quoted from ginnywings

Why? Not everyone is enamoured with the Royal Family, myself included. I've never sung, nor will i ever sing the national anthem. They mean absolutely nothing to me and if that makes me unpatriotic, then i don't really care.

Corbyn is a Socialist Republican who is trying to do what he feels is right for the country. To do that he has to swear an oath of allegiance to a Queen he does not want, in some kind of archaic ritual. It's barmy if you ask me.

Quoted from Zmariner

I am no great conservative but will never support Corbyn UTM

Quoted from ginnywings

Corbyn is a Socialist Republican who is trying to do what he feels is right for the country. To do that he has to swear an oath of allegiance to a Queen he does not want, in some kind of archaic ritual. It's barmy if you ask me.

Quoted from Marinerz93

What is the point of debating with you, you already admitted you don't research information given to you (Sweden's problems with immigration) and then post something about butter face which proves you don't take in what you read.  This alleged incident requires it's own thread but you throw it at me is if I'm some sort of Torry.  I can't stand the Torries, millionaires restricting the opportunities and services of the working class.

You are comparing two different situations as though they are the same which they are not.  Where did I say one was worse than the other. I would say the alleged pig incident if true is worse than not singing the national anthem on a scale below

Doing naughty things with animals be they dead or alive - 10 the worst - should be sacked with immediate effect.

Not singing the national anthem as a leader of the opposition  - 7 very poor - Should be given the chance to redeem himself and sing the national anthem. Which it looks like he is going to do, I will watch eagerly to see if he puts enough heart into it though  

If it was you, not singing the national anthem I would look on you with disdain, however someone in a position to sell and represent the UK should honour their duties which they signed up to when they swear an oath of allegiance to the Queen.

Hope you manage to take in what I have said, wouldn't want you to misread or make something up again.

Quoted from Marinerz93

http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/swearingin/a

He won't sing the national anthem but he will kneel at the Queen's feet, and kiss her hand so he can get a position on the Privy Council, offered to him by Cameron.

Quoted from Maringer

Grim74, if you seriously believe Osborne has been "the one digging us out of the hole Brown and Balls left us in", you're either deluded or have a reading comprehension problem. Possibly both.  

I posted reams of information pre-election which showed that Osborne had done nothing but damage the economy since he became chancellor. The figures about the dismal recovery (which he makes fantastical claims about), lack of wage growth, income cuts for the poor, tax cuts for the wealthy are absolutely indisputable as are the ones which showed that the previous Labour government wasn't overspending and their spending wasn't the cause of the crash, a lie promulgated by Osborne himself at every given chance.

I call you a Tory because you appear to be in agreement with everything they say, however obviously untrue the propaganda may be. If it walks like a duck and looks like a duck, chances are, it's a duck.

Speaking of propaganda, you mention Osborne's proper 'national living wage'. You are, of course, aware that the real "Living Wage" as promoted by the Living Wage Foundation takes into account all income/benefits which a worker is due? The current Living Wage figures of £7.85/£9.15 were calculated on the assumption that low earners will be in receipt of the tax credits and other benefits which Osborne has just slashed! The LWF will update the figure in a month or two for 2016 and you can expect the figures to rise a good amount to take these cuts into account. Personally, I reckon Lidl have been quite clever announcing they will begin to pay above the Living Wage this past weekend as they know the official figure will increase a lot soon. I've not checked, but I'm guessing they haven't committed to keeping up with an increased living wage for 2016. Don't be surprised if one or two other organisations suddenly announce they will follow suit for a PR move before the Real Living Wage (which is what they should rename it) is increased.

Osborne's "National Living Wage" is a handy increase in the minimum wage but is simply passing off, trying to use the reputation of the actual, real Living Wage. The cuts to tax credits and reduced benefit caps mean that millions of workers will be worse off than before the implementation of this 'NLW'. Raising the minimum wage whilst at the same time reducing overall income for the poorest in society is one of the most disingenuous things you can do. The most ridiculous thing, of course, is that under-25s aren't going to get anywhere near this higher rate so they are going to be dreadfully hit by the cuts. Talking about pissing all over the young. No political party has ever been so generous to the older demographic whilst shitting all over the younger generation as this lot and they surely can't be thinking about the longer-term? Building up anger and resentment amongst the young is not something which a healthy society should accept. Bear in mind, the elderly will be relying on this generation to look after them as they get older.

The problem here is outlined in your penultimate paragraph. You believe that anybody on welfare or benefits (or social security as it was once known - the right-wing had to change the nomenclature to help them change the narrative), is a feckless workshy slacker who sits on their backsides all day laughing at people going to work whilst swigging their Diamond White and watching TV. The reality, of course, is much different. Not that you believe any of the information that disproves it, of course.

As for Corbyn and his views, I personally think it is right for us to continue to accept immigrants though it obviously shouldn't be completely unfettered immigration. I'd go as far as to say we have a moral responsibility to do so as it is our involvement in wars and other military action which has destabilised the areas from which the immigrants are coming. If you're going to overthrow the governments (appalling as they were) of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria, you have to be aware that refugees are going to be an issue.

On another tack, but for immigrants, we have an aging population and it is only the children born to immigrants which is actually stopping our population declining. Bluntly, with many more elderly people in the country, we need people to be working in the economy to look after and support them. The baby boomers have started to retire now and are putting an enormous strain on NHS and Social Care.

This is not to say that there isn't a balance to be struck between immigration and making sure the young in this country have a chance with jobs as well. Government investment on education and training is appalling low in this country in comparison to our competitors (and has been for decades) so it is no surprise that many of the immigrants coming here to work, especially from Europe, tend to be better educated than our general populace.

Quite a wordy way to say that I think reasonable levels of immigration are both OK and necessary. However, we need government investment in education/training to fill skills shortages and this is something that the current and previous governments simply haven't provided. In fact, the enormous debt which University students need to accept in this country now are making things even worse in this regard. Explains why increasing numbers of British students are studying in Europe.

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[/quote]I posted reams of information pre-election which showed that Osborne had done nothing but damage the economy since he became chancellor. The figures about the dismal recovery (which he makes fantastical claims about), lack of wage growth, income cuts for the poor, tax cuts for the wealthy are absolutely indisputable as are the ones which showed that the previous Labour government wasn't overspending and their spending wasn't the cause of the crash, a lie promulgated by Osborne himself at every given chance.[quote]

Quoted from grimsby pete

Maringer have you ever thought of going into politics ?

Serious question as you do talk a lot of sense,