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thats the point here isnt it, relegation rivals. And they weren't anything special

I cannot believe he's still here, I'm gobsmacked by it, I haven't come across a single fan on here, on twitter, on Facebook, who thinks he should still be in charge. I've never seen a more unanimous call.

That the owners are either that stubborn, or deluded to think he can turn this round, is stupidity, theres no way for him to salvage this, he has made us worse.

he may well keep us up, god i flipping hope he does, but he is not the right man for here.

If we leave him in charge till the FGR game, then the board need a hard look at themselves

This is frightening:

Artell managed Crewe for 42 league games in the 21/22 season when they were relegated. He managed a further 8 cup games, winning 5 of them (4 of them were in the EFL Trophy).

42 league games at Crewe in 21/22:
Won 6
Drawn 7
Lost 29
Goals For 32 (0.76 GF per game)
Goals Against 78 (1.86 GA per game)
PPG 0.60
Win Rate 14.29%

Looking at his 12 league games in charge of Town:
Won 2
Drawn 4
Lost 6
Goals For 17 (1.42 GF per game)
Goals Against 28 (2.33 GA per game)
PPG 0.83
Win Rate: 16.67%

Artell's last 54 league games in charge:
Won 8
Drawn 11
Lost 35
Goals For 49 (0.91 GF per game)
Goals Against 106 (1.96 GA per game)
PPG 0.65
Win Rate 14.81%

Over the last 54 league games he has managed, his style of play has produced a positive outcome 8 times. Over this period, his team's don't score a great deal. 8 of the 17 goals scored under him for Town were in 2 games. His team's don't score many, and they concede double what they score.

His system isn't working, and the more I look, the more obvious it becomes that he needs to go.

Quoted from Hagrid

thats the point here isnt it, relegation rivals. And they weren't anything special

I cannot believe he's still here, I'm gobsmacked by it, I haven't come across a single fan on here, on twitter, on Facebook, who thinks he should still be in charge. I've never seen a more unanimous call.

That the owners are either that stubborn, or deluded to think he can turn this round, is stupidity, theres no way for him to salvage this, he has made us worse.

he may well keep us up, god i flipping hope he does, but he is not the right man for here.

If we leave him in charge till the FGR game, then the board need a hard look at themselves

I scrolled through the replies to Jason's tweet earlier. There was just one person who said they think Artell should stay, and that was Jazz Mariner who always comes across as being a bit cantankerous. The board needs to read the room urgently.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I scrolled through the replies to Jason's tweet earlier. There was just one person who said they think Artell should stay, and that was Jazz Mariner who always comes across as being a bit cantankerous. The board needs to read the room urgently.

I couldn't reply. He's blocked me!

Quoted from jamesgtfc

This is frightening:

Artell managed Crewe for 42 league games in the 21/22 season when they were relegated. He managed a further 8 cup games, winning 5 of them (4 of them were in the EFL Trophy).

42 league games at Crewe in 21/22:
Won 6
Drawn 7
Lost 29
Goals For 32 (0.76 GF per game)
Goals Against 78 (1.86 GA per game)
PPG 0.60
Win Rate 14.29%

Looking at his 12 league games in charge of Town:
Won 2
Drawn 4
Lost 6
Goals For 17 (1.42 GF per game)
Goals Against 28 (2.33 GA per game)
PPG 0.83
Win Rate: 16.67%

Artell's last 54 league games in charge:
Won 8
Drawn 11
Lost 35
Goals For 49 (0.91 GF per game)
Goals Against 106 (1.96 GA per game)
PPG 0.65
Win Rate 14.81%

Over the last 54 league games he has managed, his style of play has produced a positive outcome 8 times. Over this period, his team's don't score a great deal. 8 of the 17 goals scored under him for Town were in 2 games. His team's don't score many, and they concede double what they score.

His system isn't working, and the more I look, the more obvious it becomes that he needs to go.

That’s some great analysis, and it’s absolutely terrifying. I’ve tried to reasonably polite up to this point but this just confirms what we thought we all knew; that what we’re seeing isn’t some unfortunate quirk but a reflection of the manager’s superhuman ineptitude.

Get him gone. Jason, send me the bill for his compo and I’ll pay it myself.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

This is frightening:

Artell managed Crewe for 42 league games in the 21/22 season when they were relegated. He managed a further 8 cup games, winning 5 of them (4 of them were in the EFL Trophy).

42 league games at Crewe in 21/22:
Won 6
Drawn 7
Lost 29
Goals For 32 (0.76 GF per game)
Goals Against 78 (1.86 GA per game)
PPG 0.60
Win Rate 14.29%

Looking at his 12 league games in charge of Town:
Won 2
Drawn 4
Lost 6
Goals For 17 (1.42 GF per game)
Goals Against 28 (2.33 GA per game)
PPG 0.83
Win Rate: 16.67%

Artell's last 54 league games in charge:
Won 8
Drawn 11
Lost 35
Goals For 49 (0.91 GF per game)
Goals Against 106 (1.96 GA per game)
PPG 0.65
Win Rate 14.81%

Over the last 54 league games he has managed, his style of play has produced a positive outcome 8 times. Over this period, his team's don't score a great deal. 8 of the 17 goals scored under him for Town were in 2 games. His team's don't score many, and they concede double what they score.

His system isn't working, and the more I look, the more obvious it becomes that he needs to go.

DATA ALERT! DATA ALERT! Great work - perhaps 21st Group didn't do things this diligently.

Accrington Stanley owner. I wonder if he's talking about Harvey Rodgers and Doug Tharme?

Quoted from jamesgtfc

This is frightening:

Artell managed Crewe for 42 league games in the 21/22 season when they were relegated. He managed a further 8 cup games, winning 5 of them (4 of them were in the EFL Trophy).

42 league games at Crewe in 21/22:
Won 6
Drawn 7
Lost 29
Goals For 32 (0.76 GF per game)
Goals Against 78 (1.86 GA per game)
PPG 0.60
Win Rate 14.29%

Looking at his 12 league games in charge of Town:
Won 2
Drawn 4
Lost 6
Goals For 17 (1.42 GF per game)
Goals Against 28 (2.33 GA per game)
PPG 0.83
Win Rate: 16.67%

Artell's last 54 league games in charge:
Won 8
Drawn 11
Lost 35
Goals For 49 (0.91 GF per game)
Goals Against 106 (1.96 GA per game)
PPG 0.65
Win Rate 14.81%

Over the last 54 league games he has managed, his style of play has produced a positive outcome 8 times. Over this period, his team's don't score a great deal. 8 of the 17 goals scored under him for Town were in 2 games. His team's don't score many, and they concede double what they score.

His system isn't working, and the more I look, the more obvious it becomes that he needs to go.

Bloody hell, were the owners aware of this appalling record or have the data analysts completely fooked up.

Either way he should go and go now and the owners should explain why they appointed him with this record or why they weren't aware.

Either way they have really dropped us in this pile of poo.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

This is frightening:

Artell managed Crewe for 42 league games in the 21/22 season when they were relegated. He managed a further 8 cup games, winning 5 of them (4 of them were in the EFL Trophy).

42 league games at Crewe in 21/22:
Won 6
Drawn 7
Lost 29
Goals For 32 (0.76 GF per game)
Goals Against 78 (1.86 GA per game)
PPG 0.60
Win Rate 14.29%

Looking at his 12 league games in charge of Town:
Won 2
Drawn 4
Lost 6
Goals For 17 (1.42 GF per game)
Goals Against 28 (2.33 GA per game)
PPG 0.83
Win Rate: 16.67%

Artell's last 54 league games in charge:
Won 8
Drawn 11
Lost 35
Goals For 49 (0.91 GF per game)
Goals Against 106 (1.96 GA per game)
PPG 0.65
Win Rate 14.81%

Over the last 54 league games he has managed, his style of play has produced a positive outcome 8 times. Over this period, his team's don't score a great deal. 8 of the 17 goals scored under him for Town were in 2 games. His team's don't score many, and they concede double what they score.

His system isn't working, and the more I look, the more obvious it becomes that he needs to go.

That is quite startling. Over a 46 game season that would give a total of 29/30 points which is pathetic. We’ve got that already this season and we’re shite! I knew he’d done badly in his final season at Crewe but didn’t know it was quite to that extreme.

Which then begs the question, where the hell was the due diligence on this?! What possible answer could he have given them that would explain being quite that shite over such a sustained period?! This solidifies  my belief that they appointed him on the strength of this “Grimsby way” notion. There’s no way your first choice manager would be one who hasn’t worked for 18 months and who’s most recent  season was as bad as that surely?!

I’m genuinely astonished that they haven’t fired him yet. Everyone makes mistakes in recruitment at times and I think this naive belief that we’re going to play like we did in 1998 may have played a part in that decision. But despite teams seemingly just being clinical against us, my reading of that situation is that they don’t need to do any more than that because we gift teams so many easy chances each game. Even Doncaster barely had to get out of 2nd gear. We might have a period of 20 minutes or so where we keep the ball well and create some half chances but you know that we will present you with at least two or three gilt edged chances. Why go hell for leather when you can sit back and let us present the gift wrapped three points eventually? We’re literally the worst we’ve ever been which given the last 20 years is one hell of an achievement.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

DATA ALERT! DATA ALERT! Great work - perhaps 21st Group didn't do things this diligently.

You see this is the thing with data - it can be interpreted any way you like.  They would obviously have been aware of this data set but perhaps due to personal preference,  the extra cost of a manager with a better record or they felt there was mitigating circumstances,  they overlooked the bad data.

Whatever else they were looking for in a manager, shouldn't the ability to win games been at the top?