To the Owners (merged)

If you can see alright you don't need data to tell you what's happening. The players are not playing either through choice or more likely urine poor tactics and coaching. We're getting visibily worse by the game and bizarre transfer business suggests there is a lot more going on than we realise behind tge scenes.Where is the money? Is there any money even?

Data is just a tool. How effectively you use it is down to you.

It shouldn't be relied upon solely. It should be used in conjunction with your management team's knowledge.

Used well it can give great insights, used poorly and it can have the opposite effect.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

It is depressingly true and you can use whatever data and highly paid analysts you like, it surely can’t legislate for you defending like a pub team.

For all we know the 21st Group have a Spreadsheet where you input all the players that are fit, and the software picks the team.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Which bit of data dictated that we allow one of the few decent footballers at the club out on loan?

WTF is going on?

Is he a decent footballer, though? Oldham, Hurst and now Artell didn't/don't apparently seem to think so, given the number of appearances he's made since the start of 2023.

Very strange situation where he looks to have some ability at times, but completely disappears out of games at others. 26 League starts and a dozen sub appearances at the age of 23 isn't exactly indicative of a great future ahead of him. It will be interesting to see how he does at York.

Quoted from GrimPol

For all we know the 21st Group have a Spreadsheet where you input all the players that are fit, and the software picks the team.

Did it spill coffee over Hunt Holohan and Glennon do you know ?

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I pride myself as being the biggest anti data poster on here,  and you quite rightly say data (or information as we used to quaintly call it) is indeed partly responsible for mankind's progress.

What we are talking about though is specifically data in a football context, apart from the incontrovertible data of the final score and league table. Everything else is just guff, as we have seen on countless occasions. Players coming with stats that might look good (or bad) in one team, and be completely different in another. That is because everything IS different.

Neither am I bothered about how many goals we nearly scored, or how many corners we got.

I don't care how many analysts we use, ten would come to 10 different conclusions and the PL employ the best there is but still manage to waste millions of pounds on players.[/


It could be worse at least we are no longer talking about 5 year plans

Quoted from HerveJosse

It could be worse at least we are no longer talking about 5 year plans

We've got plenty of 5-year plans. We write a new one every week

Quoted from Maringer

Is he a decent footballer, though? Oldham, Hurst and now Artell didn't/don't apparently seem to think so, given the number of appearances he's made since the start of 2023.

Very strange situation where he looks to have some ability at times, but completely disappears out of games at others. 26 League starts and a dozen sub appearances at the age of 23 isn't exactly indicative of a great future ahead of him. It will be interesting to see how he does at York.

Does it matter if Oldham, Hurst and now Artell don't seem to rate him enough to play him, there are players we have let go that are playing for better teams than us and most of our current players have been let go by their former clubs so obviously weren't wanted at those clubs.

Quoted from Maringer

Is he a decent footballer, though? Oldham, Hurst and now Artell didn't/don't apparently seem to think so, given the number of appearances he's made since the start of 2023.

Very strange situation where he looks to have some ability at times, but completely disappears out of games at others. 26 League starts and a dozen sub appearances at the age of 23 isn't exactly indicative of a great future ahead of him. It will be interesting to see how he does at York.

So it seems that he sees him as a ‘nice’ player who needs to learn to be more effective. It’s an interesting theory- let’s see what happens.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

So it seems that he sees him as a ‘nice’ player who needs to learn to be more effective. It’s an interesting theory- let’s see what happens.

Yep, an odd comment in that interview. I suspect that we have probably seen the last of him, unless he really sparks at York.