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Quoted from MarinerMal

It is poor because it is selective. As you continue to be.

Could you point to some non-selective data or facts that suggest Artell will turn round this disastrous run of form?

Quoted from MarinerMal

It is poor because it is selective. As you continue to be.

I think you are being extremely naive, just about every football manager who has been sacked will have been sacked because of their recent record.

Quoted from MarinerMal

It is poor because it is selective. As you continue to be.

OK - let's be a little bit more selective. We've taken one point (and needed to score 5 to do so) from the last six home games, conceding 23 goals. Please give me any reasoning as to how that can be acceptable.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

We can all find his overall record at a glance, but I would argue that the more recent data is more relevant. His overall record before that looks alright. Crewe had an alright season in League One under him, but then capitulated in 21/22 and he seems incapable of addressing that.

Surely his overall record is more relevant than his last season?

Why does he seem incapable? He was in a similar situation when he took over Crewe and they only achieved a 17th followed by a 15th finish in League two in his first two seasons before leading them to promotion. So he has a proven track record of addressing it.

Quoted from MarinerMal

Surely his overall record is more relevant than his last season?

Why does he seem incapable? He was in a similar situation when he took over Crewe and they only achieved a 17th followed by a 15th finish in League two in his first two seasons before leading them to promotion. So he has a proven track record of addressing it.

Well, in his first season here, we're staring at between 22nd and 24th in League Two.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

You are forgetting that in the 18 months between jobs he studied coaching methods at Sale Sharks and the Olympic Taekwondo team.

Reckon Lutalo Muhammad could do a job at centre back.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I think you are being extremely naive, just about every football manager who has been sacked will have been sacked because of their recent record.

Even when the majority of the recent record that was used he wasn't even at this club? Some mangers have had very poor starts to their careers at clubs but turned it around. If rumours are to be believed even Alex Ferguson was one game away from being sacked (and no I am not comparing DA to AF)

Surely if you are going to analyse somebody's competence based on their statistics it is only fair to use their full career?

Quoted from MarinerMal

Surely his overall record is more relevant than his last season?

Why does he seem incapable? He was in a similar situation when he took over Crewe and they only achieved a 17th followed by a 15th finish in League two in his first two seasons before leading them to promotion. So he has a proven track record of addressing it.

You are being selective in ignoring his last season at Crewe when they got relegated and according to Wiki  one of the worst season's in their recent history.

When I employed someone I would look at their CV and whilst reviewing it all would have a good look their latest employment and how they did with that.

Quoted from MarinerMal

Even when the majority of the recent record that was used, he wasn't even at this club? Some mangers have had very poor starts to their careers at clubs but turned it around. Even rumours are to be believed even Alex Ferguson was one game away from being sacked (and no I am not comparing DA to AF)

Surely if you are going to analyse somebody's competence based on their statistics it is only fair to use their full career?

Would any top club go for Jose Mourinho at the minute?

Quoted from MarinerMal

It is poor because it is selective. As you continue to be.

It’s a consecutive sequence of games totalling more than a season’s worth of games, running up to the current day. It’s not cherrypicking, it’s just a matter of recency.

A good chunk of Russell Slade’s earlier CV is quite impressive, but there’s a very stark decline in performance and results post-Cardiff City, and that’s the reason he no longer gets a sniff at EFL or even non-league gigs. After a certain amount of time, his earlier achievements become increasingly less relevant.

We’re talking about a shorter timeframe when we look at David Artell’s career, but to dismiss analyses which highlight a very distinctive pattern over his 50+ games at two clubs as “poor” purely because it discounts earlier data is too simplistic, imo. Managers lose effectiveness. Managers lose the plot. Powerpoint peddling, Matt Dean-blaming Russell Slade again a very good case in point.