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im not convinced by MB at all , he comes in says all the right things and gets the fans on board , then he puts on double sessions with the players to fix ??? What ??? we were doing ok under PH , not great but ok .. Goals being a problem but im sure that would of sorted its self out . If rumours are to be believed the players arnt too convinced either !! He was cheap and said all the right things ... perfect for our current board .................... If this Gamble fails we could be right in the excrement very soon
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I agree. We will probably be relegated under MB. PH would have at least got us mid table, possibly play-offs
JF using the hype of a "young, up and coming manager" to Justify the cheap appointment he is....
Hello National League next year..........................................................
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And so it begins again.
"If rumours are to believed neither are there players"
You just made that up haven't you!
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| December 10, 2016, 5:03pm |
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I'd agree, I also think his comments during interviews aren't going to go down as well when we're not winning. I wasn't overly enamoured by him in the first place, I thought Hursty did an excellent job.
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I remember when people like this said they weren't doom and gloomers, they just didn't support Hurst. Are you still sure about that?
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Bit early for that nonsense, he needs time and the opportunity to bring in his own players. Today was awful though.
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Ultimately the players aren't good enough for this level. Under Hurst's defensive style we could scrape by, but with manager who wants to attack, they are found wanting.
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Talking a good game and delivering is completely different.
Still early days for him but im not sure how many more 20 minute interviews we need him talking a good game.
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We need more than a few pre match Cliches to win games
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| December 10, 2016, 5:17pm |
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I think its a bit early to get too gloomy. We've played the top 3 in four games and won, drawn and lost. I think most people thought we were a mid table team and thats exacty where we are.
No question the honeymoon is over and talk means nothing but lets not too despondent.
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I still think MB is a great appointment, I'm glad we've taken a punt on an up and coming manager instead of someone who has been round the block a dozen times and has as many relegation's to his name then promotions which is what it looked like we were looking at.
OK we've not had the greatest of starts but we've hardly had the worst start, we've played the3 of the top 4 teams in the division and we're playing the 4th next week. MB is still clearly working out his squad and who is the best 11 he can play and who he can bring in in January.
Fans just need to show a little patients give the man a chance, we aren't in the bottom 2 yet as long as we aren't relegated its been a positive season, anything else is icing on the cake lets be honest.
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Lets not forget Marcus did not sign our useless midfield,
It was Hurst who got them from a team that got relegated to the conference,
A couple of ins and outs come January on the cards.
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Always the same few sad sacks who show up when we lose then vanish when we win. Old farts hit too many times with the ugly stick so they have nothing going for them in life then they spend all their time trying to get reactions for attention on the internet because they are scared of the outside world it's full of the same people who crapped all over them their whole life. Boring.
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It's not the managers fault. He can only do so much with the players bequeathed to him. Camley and Berrett were absolute rubbish again' If I were either of them I would seriously consider getting a proper job. I cannot believe Hurst signed either of them whether permanent or on loan' The midfield we had this time last year would have held us in better stead than this mottley crew. They never set up attacks or defend properly. Did our midfield ever enter their penalty area? NO ! It was absolutely disgraceful.Unless the 3 Wise Men appear before Xmas may The Lord have mercy on us
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Lost patience already. I expected us to beat all the top 4 teams we've just played. Get rid Fentys. Sign Atkins's like what you shud hav dun.
For the sake of absolute FÛCK.
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If you were to tell me a year ago that we would be sat mid table in league 2 this time next year, I'd be delighted - and I am! - MB knows he's got some work to do and I have every faith in him to accomplish this, just needs time and some additions of his own - roll on Donny!! UTM!
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I supported Hurst from the beginning and was adamant he would get us promoted... I was correct, and I'm also correct about MB only getting us relegated. Just wait and see.... Cheap option got us relegated from the league last time, and everyone said "Wait, too early" or "Your just a doom and gloom".......
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Lets not forget Marcus did not sign our useless midfield,
It was Hurst who got them from a team that got relegated to the conference,
A couple of ins and outs come January on the cards.
I agree (work in progress) - if Town can get to January with 30 +points - then the new manager has a chance to add the players he needs to 'perk' up our midfield and attack, to achieve the points required to stay in this division. UTM |
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| December 10, 2016, 5:40pm |
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I remember Buckley getting questioned when he first came. Hurst has left us with an unbalanced and inexperienced midfield, three of whom came from relegated teams and some who have never played at this level. It is showing against the better sides. Desire got us a point against Carlisle and it nearly did again today. Would have been happy with 0-0 because they were clearly better than us but Tombolas inexperience gave them a chance to win the game and they took it.We need more experience in the middle. McAllister and Davies can't come back quick enough.
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| December 10, 2016, 5:40pm |
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Lets not forget Marcus did not sign our useless midfield,
It was Hurst who got them from a team that got relegated to the conference,
A couple of ins and outs come January on the cards.
That's a pretty cheap jibe Pete - whilst Summerfield and Berrett weren't great, Chambers and Jackson were very poor today but I guess you weren't there. Portsmouth are a very good side too by the way. |
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Lets not forget Marcus did not sign our useless midfield,
It was Hurst who got them from a team that got relegated to the conference,
A couple of ins and outs come January on the cards.
Absolutely right , he has inherited some good players but unfortunately for him also a pile of sh*te. Berret offers nothing, Summerfield just not good enough, Disley must be getting frustrated sat on the bench watching those two picked in preference to him. One possible solution that Marcus alluded to in his interview last week, is that when he's fit play Davies in midfield which is the position he's nearly always played during his career. You only need a midfielder with a bit of experience and calm rather than one that runs around all game like a headless chicken hoofing it anywhere. |
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Grimsby2012 is a terrible WUM. He was claiming we'd get relegated before the season had even started so there's no evidence that he "always backed Hurst". You're sad mate, get a hobby or a girlfriend.
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Grimsby2012 is a terrible WUM. He was claiming we'd get relegated before the season had even started so there's no evidence that he "always backed Hurst". You're sad mate, get a hobby or a girlfriend.
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Some short memories here, you forgot already we hammered Plymouth 3-0, who at the time were top of the League and then followed that with a good 2-2 draw against Carlisle. I sometimes wonder if some of the posters on here know anything about football at all!
We are not going to win every match in a season, but if we play to the potential we have shown so far this season, we will still be in this League next year, and that is a positive bearing in mind where we have been for the last 5 years!
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i am convinced by Bignot himself and probably in what he wants to do.....
i am not convinced though that he has the tools at his disposal.....he has used his preferred system since coming in and since then i dont think we have;
dominated a game
created many chances
looked solid defensively
played with any flair
Omar is looking increasingly isolated up top, Jackson is an utter waste of a shirt out wide as is Berrett at the tip of midfield diamond.
Bignot promised us postivity, pressing play high up the pitch, tactical changes and plenty of wingers crossing the ball in.....i believe he wants that, i believe he may well deliver that but just not with the squad at his disposal....two centre halves, a keeper and a first year pro on the bench... not inspiring for a home game.
How Berrett managed to last 90 mins out there without getting the hook amazes me and most of the people i heard around me.
Survive this season now unfortunately for me and then a big rebuild in the summer.
I think Marcus may have to review his set up and accept that he may not have what he needs and therefore adjust accordingly....Hurst left him a largely defensive unit with a sprinkle of flair, i think Marcus would prefer it the other way around.
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I cannot believe I have just read such tripe. Yes we are not good enough to win this league. Yes we probably won't reach the play offs but we have to be realistic we have just come into this league and we are playing teams who have been here longer, got more experience and have better players, Remember too we played away at Luton when they were top and won, we played away at Plymouth who were top and beat them convincingly. There is no reason we cannot go to Donny and get points. Our home form is poor but even today a point was nearly ours.
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My take on todays game was that we played a good team who looked better due to our non existent midfield.
There was a great hole between Bogle and our defence and players like Somerfield, Berret and Jackson were shadows today and I would expect to see Dis, Tom and Venney to start next Saturday.
No excuses needed, it took a very good free kick to beat our defence, and a very good save from their keeper to prevent a goal from us. Why does Summerfield take all corners and free kicks?
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im not convinced by MB at all , he comes in says all the right things and gets the fans on board , then he puts on double sessions with the players to fix ??? What ??? we were doing ok under PH , not great but ok .. Goals being a problem but im sure that would of sorted its self out . If rumours are to be believed the players arnt too convinced either !! He was cheap and said all the right things ... perfect for our current board .................... If this Gamble fails we could be right in the excrement very soon
Interesting that you raised this point as I actually logged in to ask the same question that you have. I'm not sure on him yet, but I am starting to have a few reservations. So far it's early days and he is all light hearted etc in his interviews. Likes a bit of a joke, seems to be working very hard with a bit of image building if you know what I mean. Coming across as Mr Likeable and the man of the people. But for me I am looking past all of this for the evidence that he is good manager, coach and everything that this requires. Right now the mix is far too much personality and not enough Mr Manager. I was bit concerned with his interview today too. Far too much reference to the supporters and was even associating himself with the supporters with words to the effect of "me and the supporters want a better response from the players". That has to stop. Marcus isn't one of the supporters so don't put yourself with them. Forget all that sort of talk of supporters. Just go about the professional job. I am watching this one with interest. In hope that we start to see some evidence that he is capable of doing this job very soon |
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Absolutely right , he has inherited some good players but unfortunately for him also a pile of sh*te. Berret offers nothing, Summerfield just not good enough, Disley must be getting frustrated sat on the bench watching those two picked in preference to him. One possible solution that Marcus alluded to in his interview last week, is that when he's fit play Davies in midfield which is the position he's nearly always played during his career. You only need a midfielder with a bit of experience and calm rather than one that runs around all game like a headless chicken hoofing it anywhere.
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Berrett and Summerfield together are too weak and don't impose themselves properly. Can have one but not both and they also need to be in a three. Comley, McAllister and Berrett would be ideal when available
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Christ, I thought walking home the idiots on the fishy will be out tonight but this is just ridiculous.
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We have been on a tough run of games to be fair. I said a while back that if we came out of the next 5 games, starting at Plymouth with anything more than 6 points, we would have done well. It was a great start with the win at Plymouth and the draw with Carlisle bringing 4 points, but 2 defeats has put us back a bit. I'm more bothered by the Crawley defeat than the one today as they were on a terrible run at the time.
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Is MB turning into Hurst because that was a Hurst game if ever saw one.
Tactics wrong, team selection wrong, formation Wrong and subs wrong.
Our form is very worrying at the moment 1 win in 9 I think??
5 points off the bottom 3
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Berrett and Summerfield together are too weak and don't impose themselves properly. Can have one but not both and they also need to be in a three. Comley, McAllister and Berrett would be ideal when available
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The performance was absolute dog excrement did we even have a shot on target? The home form is worrying me now and needs to be sorted out pronto, il give MB the benefit of the doubt Portsmouth looked a good solid well organised team but anymore repeat performances like that and I will put my £20 down my gullet.
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Not just outplayed in the midfield they always had a man unmarked on their left flank. We looked bereft of ideas up front resorting to the big hoof, Bogz was isolated Jackson was far too deep he looked awful today thought we played better in the second half. Gowling had a solid game. Macca made a couple of decent saves but had a Macca moment that luckily we scrambled it away.
Overall Pompey played a lot better and deserved the win attacking us in numbers using width to stretch us time after time. thiers fans were a credit to their team noisy all match they even got our fans going
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Bit early to dismiss Bignot as a failure dont you think?
He wants to change our style and that may take time (and maybe new players) to achieve.
What disappointed me about today was the build up had got me excited about the prospect of a good game against a good team. Bignot was saying he had had time to work on things on the training ground. I was expecting a real have a go at them performance........what we got was a f******g awful one. Right from the off Pompey pressed in numbers and closed us down. Pretty soon we were just kicking the ball anywhere due to the pressure. Tbf to Pomepy they did it very well and were well on top.
Whenever we got the ball we were under pressure straight away. They were picking the ball up in 10 yards of space and had time to look up and make the pass. It was embarrassingly easy for them at times. Had they been more ruthless going forward they would have been out os sight by half time. We were lucky to be 0-0.
Then you think a half time talking to and a tactical review and having survived the 1st half we would get back into it 2nd half. Nothing changed and the 2nd half continued exactly the same way.
Ironically their goal came when Town were maybe showing a bit more as Pompey tired and werent pressing as quickly..
Today showed maybe one or two may not be up to it and i would expect some changes in January.. If they keep playing like that then the honeymoon period will soon be over.
Lets regroup and knuckle down and pt in a far better performance next week against another very good side.
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For god sake really call yourself supporters ? He been in the job 2minutes you expect results going our way al the time, and for not being convinced we beat Plymouth 3-0 IN THERE OWN BACK YARD it's going to take time for MB to get his message over to the players on what he wants we will be fine give the guy a chance for god sake !
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I signed and I am completely supportive of MB. We are on a tough run of fixtures. Would love to know Pompey budget. All of this drivel after 5 games is shocking. I think the inherited midfield of Berret and Summerfield is not up to the job, this can be fixed. Totally in support and I let's see where we are after Xmas
I suspect MB will make a few eat their words, time will tell UTM
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For god sake really call yourself supporters ? He been in the job 2minutes you expect results going our way al the time, and for not being convinced we beat Plymouth 3-0 IN THERE OWN BACK YARD it's going to take time for MB to get his message over to the players on what he wants we will be fine give the guy a chance for god sake !
Well said Ollie, Marcus has said himself that when we get Mcallister and Davies back it will be like having two new players. With them in midfield our problems will be resolved with Macallister winning the ball and Ben making the defence splitting passes. |
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We could have been playing in the FAT today so let's be thankful we are where we are! Anyway time to watch the Joshua fight - UTM!
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For god sake really call yourself supporters ? He been in the job 2minutes you expect results going our way al the time, and for not being convinced we beat Plymouth 3-0 IN THERE OWN BACK YARD it's going to take time for MB to get his message over to the players on what he wants we will be fine give the guy a chance for god sake !
Well by your logic, he got his message across against Plymouth. People are only commenting on what they've seen today. I would think the vast majority are behind him, and quite rightly so, but our form has dipped and today was very poor, albeit against very good opposition. |
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That's a pretty cheap jibe Pete - whilst Summerfield and Berrett weren't great, Chambers and Jackson were very poor today but I guess you weren't there. Portsmouth are a very good side too by the way.
That's a bit below the belt Codger, Its not my fault I can not get to many home games, I do suffer with a few medical problems but always try to get to as many games as possible, I do have mariners p;ayer so I can keep up with what is going on in the field. |
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That's a bit below the belt Codger,
Its not my fault I can not get to many home games,
I do suffer with a few medical problems but always try to get to as many games as possible,
I do have mariners p;ayer so I can keep up with what is going on in the field.
I apologise if I offended you Pete but singling out individuals without seeing the game is equally below the belt. Like many have said, our midfield can accommodate Berrett OR Summerfield but not Berret AND Summerfield. |
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I apologise if I offended you Pete but singling out individuals without seeing the game is equally below the belt. Like many have said, our midfield can accommodate Berrett OR Summerfield but not Berret AND Summerfield.
No offence taken mate but I was not commenting on todays game, I said Marcus did not sign them and from what I have seen of them Marcus would not have signed them. |
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I think some are not giving the opposition enough credit for our poor showing today. They forced us into mistakes and pulled us out of shape because they were better than us. They are an established side that are well supported and i would imagine have a much bigger playing budget than we do. That was our 20th league game after spending 6 years in the wilderness. If Bignot cannot change the mindset of the players he inherited, then he will need time to change the personnel. Carlisle and Portsmouth are much better than we are and we didn't get a drubbing from either. Defence is pretty sound, we have a very good striker, a couple of experienced players waiting in the wings and the transfer window in 3 weeks. Let's not forget the quality of opposition we have faced in recent games. MB joined us just as the tough run of games started. Would Hurst have fared any better? I doubt we would have won 3-0 at the league leaders with Hurst in charge.
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I think some are not giving the opposition enough credit for our poor showing today. They forced us into mistakes and pulled us out of shape because they were better than us. They are an established side that are well supported and i would imagine have a much bigger playing budget than we do. That was our 20th league game after spending 6 years in the wilderness. If Bignot cannot change the mindset of the players he inherited, then he will need time to change the personnel. Carlisle and Portsmouth are much better than we are and we didn't get a drubbing from either. Defence is pretty sound, we have a very good striker, a couple of experienced players waiting in the wings and the transfer window in 3 weeks. Let's not forget the quality of opposition we have faced in recent games. MB joined us just as the tough run of games started.
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I think some are not giving the opposition enough credit for our poor showing today. They forced us into mistakes and pulled us out of shape because they were better than us. They are an established side that are well supported and i would imagine have a much bigger playing budget than we do. That was our 20th league game after spending 6 years in the wilderness. If Bignot cannot change the mindset of the players he inherited, then he will need time to change the personnel. Carlisle and Portsmouth are much better than we are and we didn't get a drubbing from either. Defence is pretty sound, we have a very good striker, a couple of experienced players waiting in the wings and the transfer window in 3 weeks. Let's not forget the quality of opposition we have faced in recent games. MB joined us just as the tough run of games started. Would Hurst have fared any better? I doubt we would have won 3-0 at the league leaders with Hurst in charge.
Fair comment Ginny - what we need to remember is how many of the players many would get rid of are on 2 year deals. I also think that, without Danny Collins, we might have got that drubbing today, |
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Ffs. Some people need to get a grip. If this time last year someone would have said we have just been beaten by Pompey and are now 12th in division 2 I would have ripped their f8cking arm off.
As someone has already said the usual suspects are sat on their own with no friends and get a kick out of sprouting sh8t.
All we need is denni to do a post of doom and I think my bingo card is full.
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I think some are not giving the opposition enough credit for our poor showing today. They forced us into mistakes and pulled us out of shape because they were better than us. They are an established side that are well supported and i would imagine have a much bigger playing budget than we do. That was our 20th league game after spending 6 years in the wilderness. If Bignot cannot change the mindset of the players he inherited, then he will need time to change the personnel. Carlisle and Portsmouth are much better than we are and we didn't get a drubbing from either. Defence is pretty sound, we have a very good striker, a couple of experienced players waiting in the wings and the transfer window in 3 weeks. Let's not forget the quality of opposition we have faced in recent games. MB joined us just as the tough run of games started. Would Hurst have fared any better? I doubt we would have won 3-0 at the league leaders with Hurst in charge.
I was thinking pretty much the opposite, I thought they would be a lot better than they were and that our lack of organisation allowed them to open us up. Granted I thought they pressed us well first half, but our players didn't really look like they knew where they were supposed to be playing. Pompey were a bit toothless considering how bad we were. |
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I think that Marcus is a good appointment looking at some of the drongos we could have had he is bright, energetic, enthusiastic, engages with everybody, "looks" like a decent coach and clearly want to improve everything.
But....... He is possibly going too fast in that he has attempted to change the training regime (no issues with that), the warm up, the formation, the style of play, the tempo, the selection (at times) and told us in mid week that he wants to get involved in the stuff off the pitch.
If I was a player I am not sure how I would react to so much change in a short period of time especially when I had spent a lot of my time recently in non league or a relegation side like Macca, Zak, Josh, Berret,, Summerfield, Dis, Vose, Omar, Chambo, Tombola, Jacko etc.. etc....
We have an o.k. squad but one that is possibly for different reasons more suited to evolution rather than revolution. So go back to 4 - 4 - 2 for a bit s we can use the flanks for attacking and defending, play Omar with a partner and more importantly the players are comfortable with that shape.
5 points from 15 is a massive concern especially when you are in the middle of a tough run of games against quality (at our level) opposition and this is even more of a compelling case for just making small noticeable changes.
Marcus wants to create and impact and that's great but he needs to get his head down, let the football do the talking and hope that the players eventually get it because today we looked like we have regressed massively.
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Not posted on here in weeks, felt like I was starting believe the negativity. Come back and look what thread I've found.
For goodness sake, give the guy a chance. He's inherited a midfield of which three were relegated last season. Enjoy being in the league and accept that we are going to lose more games this season than the last few years.
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I thought they looked a very decent side and we struggled to cope with the pressure they put us under whenever we had the ball. Second half was better and thought it would have been a decent point but it was a quality free kick. Way too early to cast judgements on Bignot.
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I thought they looked a very decent side and we struggled to cope with the pressure they put us under whenever we had the ball. Second half was better and thought it would have been a decent point but it was a quality free kick. Way too early to cast judgements on Bignot.
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Considering they was the better side, they only by a wonderful free kick
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Ultimately the players aren't good enough for this level. Under Hurst's defensive style we could scrape by, but with manager who wants to attack, they are found wanting.
Under hurst, these same players looked to be reasonably organised and fluent and got us into a playoff position. This all now seems to be unraveling and I can't understand why? |
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Grimsby2012 is a terrible WUM. He was claiming we'd get relegated before the season had even started so there's no evidence that he "always backed Hurst". You're sad mate, get a hobby or a girlfriend.
Childish Remark but it's no wonder I guess...... I always backed Hurst, and I was correct too. You always came on here with your doom and gloom attitude. Where as I stood up for Hurst and he got us Promoted. Having MB as Manager was the cheap option and it's simple as that. We had better prospects in line but instead we went for someone for someone who basically didn't cost the club much money. Whatever way you look at it, that's fine, but it's wrong. Cheap option=Relegation, we should know that by now. |
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im not convinced by MB at all , he comes in says all the right things and gets the fans on board , then he puts on double sessions with the players to fix ??? What ??? we were doing ok under PH , not great but ok .. Goals being a problem but im sure that would of sorted its self out . If rumours are to be believed the players arnt too convinced either !! He was cheap and said all the right things ... perfect for our current board .................... If this Gamble fails we could be right in the excrement very soon
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I agree. We will probably be relegated under MB. PH would have at least got us mid table, possibly play-offs
JF using the hype of a "young, up and coming manager" to Justify the cheap appointment he is....
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I'd agree, I also think his comments during interviews aren't going to go down as well when we're not winning. I wasn't overly enamoured by him in the first place, I thought Hursty did an excellent job.
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I supported Hurst from the beginning and was adamant he would get us promoted... I was correct, and I'm also correct about MB only getting us relegated. Just wait and see.... Cheap option got us relegated from the league last time, and everyone said "Wait, too early" or "Your just a doom and gloom".......
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Thought we totally lost it in midfield yesterday even when we had the ball they hunted in packs to win it back. They always had wide men available which we often looked exposed and like Ginney said our shape was pulled apart. Unlike us who only had Bogz ON HIS OWN up front (WTF is Jackson's role  They were able to out number Bogz having the luxury of no other danger until Tombola came on. Don't like one man up front especially at home sends out the wrong message straight away and it limits your attack options. Look we all knew deep down this season was going to be tough and a mid table position would be realistic lets give the manager a chance. We have Davis and Mcalister injured better players imho than what we had yesterday. Also Portsmouth were they best and most organised team I have seen so far and certainly the best set of fans. Talking of packs I see the doom mongers have come out in force didn't take long lol. See you all at Donny. |
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On the day we were beaten by a side that played better than us, 1st half we were terrible but competed better the second half. Our midfield looks very fragile but I am convinced we have the right manager who will get things right. We need to be patient as we have played all the top teams in the space of a few weeks. Work in progress.
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I can totally understand people's concerns but we must remember that he's trying to introduce his totally different style of play onto the squad, the squad Paul Hurst signed, remember Bignot signed 0 of these.
Yes we haven't had the start we hoped for but I think it is still too early to start calling for his head or saying we're going to get relegated under him, we have to give him time to bring his own players in, he's pretty much limited because most of the squad is on 2 year deals so until the end of next season he mainly has to work with what he's got and maybe they aren't capable of playing the way he wants to.
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I can totally understand people's concerns but we must remember that he's trying to introduce his totally different style of play onto the squad, the squad Paul Hurst signed, remember Bignot signed 0 of these.
Yes we haven't had the start we hoped for but I think it is still too early to start calling for his head or saying we're going to get relegated under him, we have to give him time to bring his own players in, he's pretty much limited because most of the squad is on 2 year deals so until the end of next season he mainly has to work with what he's got and maybe they aren't capable of playing the way he wants to.
I don't think anyone's calling for MB's head - yesterday highlighted the difference between a big budget L2 club and a low budget L2 club. Whichever way you look at it, we signed several players who, had they stayed at their previous club, would have been playing in the Conference this season. |
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Early days but I hope Bignot and the players dont read the opening posts which I dont agree with at all
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Will give him a chance and yes not getting relegated is top priority
But we have had so much positivity since the promotion and we would all like to see this continue
It's just we where so poor and seemed so clueless first half yesterday and nowhere near the same side that won at Plymouth
We struggle to keep possession and cannot string more than two or theee passes together
Whatever message he is trying to get over to the players he needs to reiterate it and ensure they all understand it
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Just like Cheltenham we have got several Conference standard players in the team which were PH signings, unlike Cheltenham we also have a backbone of decent PH signings Collins, Omar, Mills, Davies and McAlister, we need to find another goal scorer and a decent midfield
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I can't understand his message tbh .. isolating bogz up top gave them the message we'd be happy to take a point at home. Early days though I've still got faith in mb and hopefully with a couple of his own players we will be fine in mid table
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| sydney |
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MB answers to questions seem so long that the original question gets lost
Is this why the players aren't getting it 😬
Like him loads and I'm sure the players do too so let's get this show on the road starting at Donny.
Next four fixtures after that are all tough as well
Play Off Finalists
Current play off contenders
Carlisle away (very tough)
Then Toto and Amond away
So we will all know about the rest of the season by mid to late Jan
Come on Town!!
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| EY Mariner |
| December 11, 2016, 10:11am |
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Patience is a virtue. Sadly, it is not often seen here.
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Patience is a virtue. Sadly, it is not often seen here.
You say it's not often seen here. Perhaps you'd like to tell us which football forums it is shown on ?? And given that the majority of posts rightly so still support MB how do you justify that comment ?? |
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| Mariner_09 |
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I'm still to be convinced but likewise need to unconviced also. I agree the midfield is weak, hoping McAllister and Comley could form a strong base when McAllister is fit, maybe even put Davies in there. Jackson isn't a wide player, so why not play Browne or Bolarinwa?
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| EY Mariner |
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You say it's not often seen here. Perhaps you'd like to tell us which football forums it is shown on ?? And given that the majority of posts rightly so still support MB how do you justify that comment ??
I'm simply giving my opinion, based on what I've read here this morning. But, seeing as you ask, I'm not referring to any other forums. I'm not interested in any other forums. I'm talking about THIS forum, this thread and others like it. The very fact this thread exists, after five meaningful games under a new manager, including three against sides in the top four of this division, is a total and utter nonsense. |
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| Eastendmariner |
| December 11, 2016, 10:56am |
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He Needs to sort the midfield out cant have a midfielmidfield That nede 3-4 touches to get going but Needs a lot more time. Outplayed Yesterday a 0-1 scoreli
Ne flattered us to be honest.
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| RoboCod |
| December 11, 2016, 11:05am |
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Can't understand the negativity at all. I do feel that the midfield is the key issue, but rather than just point fingers and declare that player x isn't good enough I think it's more down to the type of play that MB wants to instill. Seriously, how can anyone really make a judgement until we have at least a couple of new faces in.
The mention of Hartlepool is an interesting one, with Hignett they have a supposedly ambitious and promising new manager, brought up in the true footballing tradition, yet this guy has pretty much built his own team (including a certain couple of ex Town players) and they are looking awful, losing 1-0 at home to Pompey is frustrating for us, but 5-0 at home to Cambridge quite rightly has the Monkey Hangers alarm bells ringing.
You could also point out the much heralded new era at Citeh under Guardiola, beaten comprehensively by Leicester and struggling to lay down his very disciplined ethos with his current players.
I don't think we're far off a steady top 5 team, though I'll have a better judgement on MB come the end of January onwards.
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| oldun |
| December 11, 2016, 11:14am |
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It seems to me that MB likes to play at a high tempo, moving the ball forward quickly. He was clearly frustrated when that did not happen, especially in the first half. He wants this to start with the keeper and was clearly dismayed when Macca took ages the get things moving. I also think that some of the miss placed passes in midfield were due to them trying first touch passes without looking to see where colleagues were. I have my doubts if Summerfield and Berrett can actually do it. They need too much time to think and execute, added to which Portsmouth denied them time which made things worse. Despite the result it is much better to see BP nearly full playing Portsmouth than say Guisely who would bring a car load. I know we want town to win, but sometimes you need to look at the overall game and appreciate the opposition's play. I personally enjoyed it, plenty of action and atmosphere and what a delightful attempt by Ashley Chambers in the second half. I was right behind it and with great skill he placed his shot towards the top corner only to denied by a good save.
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| MuddyWaters |
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It seems to me that MB likes to play at a high tempo, moving the ball forward quickly. He was clearly frustrated when that did not happen, especially in the first half. He wants this to start with the keeper and was clearly dismayed when Macca took ages the get things moving. I also think that some of the miss placed passes in midfield were due to them trying first touch passes without looking to see where colleagues were. I have my doubts if Summerfield and Berrett can actually do it. They need too much time to think and execute, added to which Portsmouth denied them time which made things worse. Despite the result it is much better to see BP nearly full playing Portsmouth than say Guisely who would bring a car load. I know we want town to win, but sometimes you need to look at the overall game and appreciate the opposition's play. I personally enjoyed it, plenty of action and atmosphere and what a delightful attempt by Ashley Chambers in the second half. I was right behind it and with great skill he placed his shot towards the top corner only to denied by a good save.
This also has something to do with the movement of players around them - Jackson and Bogle spent too much time waiting for the ball rather than moving into space yesterday - that also meant that there was no space for Mills or Andrew to move into, it's not easy to make a telling pass when there's no movement or area to pass into. Portsmouth denied us room to play at every opportunity which is also made easier by us having two slower centre backs that tend to play deep. |
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PH left at the right time (for him) with us a respectable position in the table after a fairly easy start to the season, we were always likely to drop back down the league - whoever was in charge - once we came up against the better sides in this division.
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| mariner91 |
| December 11, 2016, 12:44pm |
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Childish Remark but it's no wonder I guess......
I always backed Hurst, and I was correct too. You always came on here with your doom and gloom attitude. Where as I stood up for Hurst and he got us Promoted.
Having MB as Manager was the cheap option and it's simple as that. We had better prospects in line but instead we went for someone for someone who basically didn't cost the club much money. Whatever way you look at it, that's fine, but it's wrong. Cheap option=Relegation, we should know that by now.
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| Grimbiggs |
| December 11, 2016, 1:24pm |
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Unfortunately you can only work with what you've got, it doesn't matter who's in charge. Our striking and central midfield options have been very limited from day 1, back in August. We've got by, and are getting found out now, as we're playing the better sides. Apart from Omar we've been very weak in those areas, the only way that will improve is with signings made in the January transfer window. I'd be more inclined to judge Marcus after then, when he's had time to bring in the players he feels we need.
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| denni266 |
| December 11, 2016, 2:34pm |
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I dont think that changing the whole system of play half way through the season is helping, in fact its going to cause more problems than it puts right.. like i said in another thread,, we just needed a bit more fire power up front not a full system change.. he should have waited untill he had his own players that he had picked for the job
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Since MB has come in we've had some real tough games, Pompey, Plymouth & Carlisle and that doesn't stop next week with Donny, that said results have been okay and PH would have faired no better. Clear to see yesterday, was that PH's recruits from York in centre mid are poor (Berrett & Summerfield), so we need to strengthen there and up top we need another option to play alongside Bogle. Given time Bignot will prove a far better boss than Hurst.
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| fleabag1970 |
| December 11, 2016, 3:25pm |
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Some of the insults on here are embarrassing to say the least ..... If you don't agree you don't have to insult the poster !! I really do believe iam correct and that the players are been given way to much info at the min . As for the poster that said im making stuff up ? well , we shall see wont we
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| oldun |
| December 11, 2016, 3:26pm |
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This also has something to do with the movement of players around them - Jackson and Bogle spent too much time waiting for the ball rather than moving into space yesterday - that also meant that there was no space for Mills or Andrew to move into, it's not easy to make a telling pass when there's no movement or area to pass into. Portsmouth denied us room to play at every opportunity which is also made easier by us having two slower centre backs that tend to play deep.
I agree about lack of movement, which is something Pompey had in abundance. Always someone in space to make the pass easier. |
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| Mrs Doyle |
| December 11, 2016, 4:08pm |
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Am I right in thinking a lot of there players are from higher divisions even the premier if so it certainly showed yesterday.
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| Mariner_501 |
| December 11, 2016, 7:08pm |
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It's not Bignots fault for Hurst signing a load of shite is it???
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| promotion plaice |
| December 11, 2016, 7:17pm |
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As long as Marcus keeps us clear of a relegation battle i'm happy as Larry, let's walk before we can run......... |
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| Mrs Doyle |
| December 11, 2016, 8:12pm |
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It's not Bignots fault for Hurst signing a load of shite is it???
Not so long ago Hurst signed a cracking squad we were in the play off position and Bignot inherited a side capable of beating anyone in this division. |
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Since MB has come in we've had some real tough games, Pompey, Plymouth & Carlisle and that doesn't stop next week with Donny, that said results have been okay and PH would have faired no better. Clear to see yesterday, was that PH's recruits from York in centre mid are poor (Berrett & Summerfield), so we need to strengthen there and up top we need another option to play alongside Bogle. Given time Bignot will prove a far better boss than Hurst.
Possibly, possibly not but what I do know is that if PH would not have gone to Crawley and started with a 4 - 3 - 3 and maybe would have set "us" up much tighter than we have been in the last 5 games. Just before anyone comes back with PH would not have won 3 - 0 at Plymouth well again he possibly would not have but his away record was amongst the best we have had so who knows? Bottom line for me is that Marcus is a really good appointment but as I said in a post earlier he needs to work on evolution rather than revolution as the latter was not really needed considering what he inherited. I am surprised that he appears to have tried to change so many things when we have a really tough run of matches and that has possibly exposed a lack of experience at FL level. Overall though Marcus will get it right but we may just have to be patient for a couple of weeks more, which is much better than going to play away in the trophy or at Braintree on a cold foggy night in February. |
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| arryarryarry |
| December 11, 2016, 9:23pm |
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Agree - Summerfield is not technically as good as Berrett.
Berrett was technically hopeless yesterday. |
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| MuddyWaters |
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Berrett was technically hopeless yesterday.
I've a suspicion, based on MB's interviews, that he wants the midfield to move the ball forward quicker. From what I saw yesterday, that was the reason we lost possession so regularly plus the fact that Pompey closed us down so quickly and our front 3 didn't create any space. If that makes Berrett hopeless then so be it. |
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I've a suspicion, based on MB's interviews, that he wants the midfield to move the ball forward quicker. From what I saw yesterday, that was the reason we lost possession so regularly plus the fact that Pompey closed us down so quickly and our front 3 didn't create any space. If that makes Berrett hopeless then so be it.
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| lee65 |
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I don't like knocking players if they at least appear to be trying, which I've no doubt Berrett and Summerfield were yesterday. Sadly yesterday showed that at decent league two level they are not good enough as regular first choice starters I live near York, and remember that this is essentially the CM pair that took them down |
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| MuddyWaters |
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I don't like knocking players if they at least appear to be trying, which I've no doubt Berrett and Summerfield were yesterday. Sadly yesterday showed that at decent league two level they are not good enough as regular first choice starters I live near York, and remember that this is essentially the CM pair that took them down
As far as I can remember, they've never been the central 2 in a midfield 4 for us yet. Admittedly, if they were, I would be worried! |
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The Old Codger first half at Colchester they were, look what happened in that first half
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| MuddyWaters |
| December 11, 2016, 10:20pm |
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The Old Codger first half at Colchester they were, look what happened in that first half
No, they weren't - that was the last game McAllister started - the first half at Colchester was the Andrew Boyce Horror Show. |
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Incorrect Old Codger, Berrett and Summerfield started in centre mid together, McAllister wasn't even on the bench...
Even check the team that day...
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| MuddyWaters |
| December 11, 2016, 10:33pm |
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Incorrect Old Codger, Berrett and Summerfield started in centre mid together, McAllister wasn't even on the bench...
Even check the team that day...
There you go then, they can't play as a central 2 which is what I said! |
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Indeed you did,
They don't have enough physicality or defensive discipline and nous to play together
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| kevikov |
| December 11, 2016, 11:38pm |
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Do we have a date when we might expect Mc Allister back in the starting line up?
A couple of weeks back I thought I read he was back in training?
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Do we have a date when we might expect Mc Allister back in the starting line up?
A couple of weeks back I thought I read he was back in training?
someone posted that the player had suggested he would be available for the end of this month? I assume the Blackpool/Carlisle game? |
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Possibly, possibly not but what I do know is that if PH would not have gone to Crawley and started with a 4 - 3 - 3 and maybe would have set "us" up much tighter than we have been in the last 5 games. Just before anyone comes back with PH would not have won 3 - 0 at Plymouth well again he possibly would not have but his away record was amongst the best we have had so who knows?
Bottom line for me is that Marcus is a really good appointment but as I said in a post earlier he needs to work on evolution rather than revolution as the latter was not really needed considering what he inherited. I am surprised that he appears to have tried to change so many things when we have a really tough run of matches and that has possibly exposed a lack of experience at FL level.
Overall though Marcus will get it right but we may just have to be patient for a couple of weeks more, which is much better than going to play away in the trophy or at Braintree on a cold foggy night in February.
totally agree - it's almost a bull in a china shop approach; too much change too soon.i could understand it if we were in a shrewsbury/newport position but we were doing doing pretty well. would have seemed much more sensible to change it bit by bit. have to say watching that crawley game it was like an end to end cup tie i was actually wishing we had kept some of hurst's defensive discipline, or at least played a holding midfielder |
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Marcus is trying to get the players to play his way
For the ones who can not adapt tells Marcus what he needs in the January sales,
It is right to do it now because it will be too late to do it later in the season,
We need some energy in the middle of the field,
Our present midfield players do not play like that imo,
Venney deserves a run in the side the few times I have seen him he fits the bill.
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Marcus is trying to get the players to play his way
For the ones who can not adapt tells Marcus what he needs in the January sales,
It is right to do it now because it will be too late to do it later in the season,
We need some energy in the middle of the field,
Our present midfield players do not play like that imo,
Venney deserves a run in the side the few times I have seen him he fits the bill.
venney not big enough and Clifton not good enough is what I'm hearing , I think both should be given a go and soon. |
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| realist |
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I am probably one of the most negative posters on here, but at the moment I am still full of optimism and hope. I think we have a manager that really wants us to play attractive attacking football, but has been hampered with the quality of players he has inherited. I never agreed with all the happy clappers comments that Hurst could find a good player.
Lets all stick together and at least give MB the chance to get in a few of his own players and see what happens then.
After 4 years of Hurst and I wanted him out there was a strong contingent on here that wanted to give him more time. After 4 games you are giving MB a hard time. Give over.
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I think that Dis and Venney will replace Sommerfield and Berrett on Saturday and that some on here are far to quick to defend what has become the indefensible regarding some aspects of our midfield, IMO to play both the ex York lads together in the same team will only end in tears, sounds harsh but its what message boards are about
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venney not big enough and Clifton not good enough is what I'm hearing , I think both should be given a go and soon.
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I am probably one of the most negative posters on here, but at the moment I am still full of optimism and hope. I think we have a manager that really wants us to play attractive attacking football, but has been hampered with the quality of players he has inherited. I never agreed with all the happy clappers comments that Hurst could find a good player.
Lets all stick together and at least give MB the chance to get in a few of his own players and see what happens then.
After 4 years of Hurst and I wanted him out there was a strong contingent on here that wanted to give him more time. After 4 games you are giving MB a hard time. Give over.
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The best thing we can do is enjoy the ride. We are not expected to win every game, therefore criticism is all to easy. What we do have, is an honest and likeable manger that is working for attractive and attacking football. What we can do as mariners, is support the manger. Lets see what January brings.
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Without the ball on Saturday we were OK. Yes, Portsmouth had a lot of possession in midfield and sometimes in wide areas. But we were a compact unit where it matters in the middle. This resulted in them creating no real clearcut chances. You'd have to accept having less possession when playing a team like Portsmouth who have a better standard of player throughout their side.
With the ball is what let us down. If you're not going to have much possession in a game then when you have it, you've either got to keep it for a bit, or break quickly to exploit defensive disorganisation. Sloppy simple passes and poor touches when running with the ball meant we were surrendering possession within a few seconds. Even when we weren't hounded by the impressively quick and intense Portsmouth press.
I disagree with people saying the formation left Bogle isolated. It didn't. What left Bogle isolated was that we didn't keep the ball long enough to give the attacking players time to get higher up the pitch before we lost it again. And then Bogle, perhaps being allowed too much freedom to wander where he wants, was dropping far too deep and far too wide so that when we won it in midfield, we didn't have an option for a forward pass into a striker. OB needs to play between the width of the penalty area.
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Without the ball on Saturday we were OK. Yes, Portsmouth had a lot of possession in midfield and sometimes in wide areas. But we were a compact unit where it matters in the middle. This resulted in them creating no real clearcut chances. You'd have to accept having less possession when playing a team like Portsmouth who have a better standard of player throughout their side.
With the ball is what let us down. If you're not going to have much possession in a game then when you have it, you've either got to keep it for a bit, or break quickly to exploit defensive disorganisation. Sloppy simple passes and poor touches when running with the ball meant we were surrendering possession within a few seconds. Even when we weren't hounded by the impressively quick and intense Portsmouth press.
I disagree with people saying the formation left Bogle isolated. It didn't. What left Bogle isolated was that we didn't keep the ball long enough to give the attacking players time to get higher up the pitch before we lost it again. And then Bogle, perhaps being allowed too much freedom to wander where he wants, was dropping far too deep and far too wide so that when we won it in midfield, we didn't have an option for a forward pass into a striker. OB needs to play between the width of the penalty area.
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someone posted that the player had suggested he would be available for the end of this month? I assume the Blackpool/Carlisle game?
'Twas me. My nephew asked him on Saturday when he would be fit to play and he said 2 weeks. Of course, he will need to get back up to speed with some game time, so doubt he will be playing 90 mins from the off. As for the comment about MB changing too much too soon, i don't agree with that. Why wait? Give the players the chance to adapt to the new regime and if they can't, then Jan is the time for changes. I think some are losing site of the fact that we have had a tough run of games. We won't be playing that standard of opposition every week. I agreed with MB's assessment after the game about too many back passes and sideways passes. He said they are negative and boring and he clearly wants the players to be more forward thinking and not take the easy option. If they can't adapt, then find players that can. He was clearly exasperated, as was i, that Tombola decided to play a cross field pass, very poorly as it happens, when we were breaking on the wing. I'm still trying to fathom what he was thinking. |
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'Twas me. My nephew asked him on Saturday when he would be fit to play and he said 2 weeks. Of course, he will need to get back up to speed with some game time, so doubt he will be playing 90 mins from the off.
As for the comment about MB changing too much too soon, i don't agree with that. Why wait? Give the players the chance to adapt to the new regime and if they can't, then Jan is the time for changes. I think some are losing site of the fact that we have had a tough run of games. We won't be playing that standard of opposition every week.
I agreed with MB's assessment after the game about too many back passes and sideways passes. He said they are negative and boring and he clearly wants the players to be more forward thinking and not take the easy option. If they can't adapt, then find players that can. He was clearly exasperated, as was i, that Tombola decided to play a cross field pass, very poorly as it happens, when we were breaking on the wing. I'm still trying to fathom what he was thinking.
He clearly wants to play progressive football - I think two out of the three centre mids were trying to play the ball forward on Saturday but Portsmouth's pressing and the poor movement in front made it difficult for them to do so. More and more, I think we should praise Pompey's abilities as opposed to berating our own inability to deliver what the manager clearly wants us to do. |
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'Twas me. My nephew asked him on Saturday when he would be fit to play and he said 2 weeks. Of course, he will need to get back up to speed with some game time, so doubt he will be playing 90 mins from the off.
As for the comment about MB changing too much too soon, i don't agree with that. Why wait? Give the players the chance to adapt to the new regime and if they can't, then Jan is the time for changes. I think some are losing site of the fact that we have had a tough run of games. We won't be playing that standard of opposition every week.
I agreed with MB's assessment after the game about too many back passes and sideways passes. He said they are negative and boring and he clearly wants the players to be more forward thinking and not take the easy option. If they can't adapt, then find players that can. He was clearly exasperated, as was i, that Tombola decided to play a cross field pass, very poorly as it happens, when we were breaking on the wing. I'm still trying to fathom what he was thinking.
My counter argument to that Ginny is come through a tough run of games with a few points & clean sheets then go into the easier games winning and secure your safety earlier, then tamper. As it stands we potentially will come through this run with a small points haul which will add pressure to games that we should win. If our boss changed most of your daily routine whilst extending your working hours with additional "theory" and also the style in the way you worked and asked you to work quicker with a heavier workload than before could you do that? I am not sure I could. Marcus is a really good guy everybody can see that and he will see us through but he just for a while at least needs to stop talking about us being a good footballing side as we (those that where around in the 70s/80s/90s if not before ) all know what that looks like and we have a fair way to go before we fall into that category...................Though we are capable of it if we build at the right pace. |
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A lot of people said Dave Boylen was not big enough when we first got him, How wrong was they ?
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I am probably one of the most negative posters on here, but at the moment I am still full of optimism and hope. I think we have a manager that really wants us to play attractive attacking football, but has been hampered with the quality of players he has inherited. I never agreed with all the happy clappers comments that Hurst could find a good player.
Lets all stick together and at least give MB the chance to get in a few of his own players and see what happens then.
After 4 years of Hurst and I wanted him out there was a strong contingent on here that wanted to give him more time. After 4 games you are giving MB a hard time. Give over.
We have the best squad of players we have had in years, and Hurst found them all. When we played Cambridge away we were excellent in all areas. That week the news broke about Hurst possibly leaving and bar the Plymouth game we haven't got the results we hoped for. There are lots of reasons for that, mainly I assume about players getting used to new ideas from a new manager but, I dont think there was a lot wrong before.If he has tried to get his ideas over too quickly then that has been a mistake. I heard the managers interview after the game and it was the polar opposite of what Hurst would say, but I thought it was a bit rambling and he seems to be trying a bit too hard to become "one of us". He may be able to build a team full of attacking intent, on the budget he will be given, and it will be great if he does obviously, but I think we need to tread carefully. We dont want to throw the baby out with the bath water so to speak. Those players who have been excellent earlier in the season had stinkers on Saturday; it could be that Portsmouth were a division above in quality, but I also think some players might not have bought into Bignots methods yet. |
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My counter argument to that Ginny is come through a tough run of games with a few points & clean sheets then go into the easier games winning and secure your safety earlier, then tamper. As it stands we potentially will come through this run with a small points haul which will add pressure to games that we should win.
If our boss changed most of your daily routine whilst extending your working hours with additional "theory" and also the style in the way you worked and asked you to work quicker with a heavier workload than before could you do that? I am not sure I could.
Marcus is a really good guy everybody can see that and he will see us through but he just for a while at least needs to stop talking about us being a good footballing side as we (those that where around in the 70s/80s/90s if not before ) all know what that looks like and we have a fair way to go before we fall into that category...................Though we are capable of it if we build at the right pace.
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If we can manage a win and a draw from our next 2 games (should be possible )
That will take us to halfway through the season with 30 points,
Which means we only need another 20 points to be safe,
So no need to panic a mid table finish is ok by me this season,
Let Marcus start next season with a few new signings and see where we go from then.
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Jesus, we're are an impatient bunch. How many games has Bignot had in charge?! It's League 2 and he's unable to bring in any real new signings until January at the earliest and it's not like we can afford anything like a new squad overhaul even if we needed one.
We're sat 12th in League 2, having just come up, a mere four points off the play-offs. No we haven't been convincing of late but we've player Carlisle (lost one all year) Plymouth (top) and Pompey (4th) in 3 of the last four games. From the nine points available in those games we've brought home 4. It's more than I was expecting!
The Crawley defeat may have been disappointing but most of the squad retained are playing at this level for the first time and probably still finding their feet. We should be focusing on making a great atmosphere (for those going) at Donny away and supporting the team to the fullest home and away, trusting our new manager to do his job.
A coach can't implement his style or system 8 matches into his tenure. Ask Guardiola.
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I think it's way too soon to judge Marcus Bignot, especially when he hasn't had the chance to bring in any players himself.
I know the result was disappointing against Portsmouth but they did look a good team, and even though in the first half (and some of the second) our midfield was missing in action, our defence played very well limiting their chances.
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I think it's way too soon to judge Marcus Bignot, especially when he hasn't had the chance to bring in any players himself.
I know the result was disappointing against Portsmouth but they did look a good team, and even though in the first half (and some of the second) our midfield was missing in action, our defence played very well limiting their chances.
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Midfield needs rectifying and strengthening physically, he's had a tough run of games and after Saturday they start to look a bit easier.
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If I could have a clear out on what I have seen this season half the so called first team would be queuing at the station. Everybody other than the back 5 and Bogle would be on their way. Out of those not playing I would possibly keep another 4. Thats not even a full team when everyone's fit' That's how much I value the inheritance left to our manager. Hurst knew what he was doing when he left. We were in a false position and he knew it. A lot of this team was forced on him when several players he wanted to keep left him in the shite and there was nobody any good to sign. I don't envy the job Marcus has to do with the shower of shite he's got. Good luck Marcus you are going to need it but I think you will just about keep us in this division until you can bring your own players in. I hope there aren't too many of these on 2 year contracts.
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Far from convinced, MB talks a great game but has so far delivered very little. In the words of Martin Allen " Grimsby could be too big a club for Marcus at this stage of his career ". I love the guys enthusiasm, but this has to be backed up some some steady if not spectacular results on the pitch. Take Bogle out of this team and we are not left with much at all.
Lets hope we turn things around at Donny.
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Far from convinced, MB talks a great game but has so far delivered very little. In the words of Martin Allen " Grimsby could be too big a club for Marcus at this stage of his career ". I love the guys enthusiasm, but this has to be backed up some some steady if not spectacular results on the pitch. Take Bogle out of this team and we are not left with much at all.
Lets hope we turn things around at Donny.
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Bignot's matches so far
TOWN 2-2 Barnet
Plymouth 0-3 TOWN
TOWN 2-2 Carlisle
Crawley 3-2 TOWN
TOWN 0-1 Portsmouth
5 games.
Three of them against teams in the top 4.
One of them we are a last-minute penalty kick from winning.
One of them a ridiculous calamity gives Carlisle a goal.
One of them whilst we were poor it took a good free kick to beat us.
JUST CHILL.
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If I could have a clear out on what I have seen this season half the so called first team would be queuing at the station. Everybody other than the back 5 and Bogle would be on their way. Out of those not playing I would possibly keep another 4. Thats not even a full team when everyone's fit' That's how much I value the inheritance left to our manager. Hurst knew what he was doing when he left. We were in a false position and he knew it. A lot of this team was forced on him when several players he wanted to keep left him in the shite and there was nobody any good to sign. I don't envy the job Marcus has to do with the shower of shite he's got. Good luck Marcus you are going to need it but I think you will just about keep us in this division until you can bring your own players in. I hope there aren't too many of these on 2 year contracts.
I wouldn't disagree with your assessment of PH's dilemma and some of the performances - but we are what we are, at least until next month. Time is on MB's side. He can see who is buying in to his ideas and who isn't. I don't think he will lose his ambitions. Presumably there are options to end loans if MB wants to and he will be able to bring in one or two new faces but that's about it. I can't see that the personnel is going to change radically unless ............ Bogle leaves. In that case it's a whole new ball game depending of course on what we get for him. The big worry about Bogle going is that there is no-one in the ranks who has looked remotely like a decent regular striker. I haven't commented much on the past couple of games because they may not be typical. MB is not a miracle worker. Maybe he tried too hard when he came and built up fans' expectations too fast and we have come down to earth with a bit of a bump. I think we will be in a much better position to judge both manager and players by the end of the transfer window next month so I'm not going to jump to rash conclusions just now. |
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Bignot's matches so far
TOWN 2-2 Barnet
Plymouth 0-3 TOWN
TOWN 2-2 Carlisle
Crawley 3-2 TOWN
TOWN 0-1 Portsmouth
5 games.
Three of them against teams in the top 4.
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One of them a ridiculous calamity gives Carlisle a goal.
One of them whilst we were poor it took a good free kick to beat us.
JUST CHILL.
Still don't think we were that bad - remember the defeats to Cheltenham and Hartlepool? They didn't have to be that good to beat us. The best two teams I've seen are Carlisle and Portsmouth - one didn't beat us and the other we lost in the last 5 minutes due to a bad challenge by one of our forwards. Both teams, particularly Portsmouth, closed down the space, their full backs pushed Chambers and Jackson back which isolated Omar and reduced the options for passing when we did get the ball. No disaster, just a bit frustrating, but possibly the best teams we will play this season. |
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Red first post... what bores me is clowns slating a new manager inheriting his new team. he trains them hard plays a new formation that beats one of the best teams away, having signed a player no one heard of who bags us 6 points. jesus it grates me sometimes how people complain. mb is gonna be quality for town. has the original poster said anything better than this after?
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Red first post... what bores me is clowns slating a new manager inheriting his new team. he trains them hard plays a new formation that beats one of the best teams away, having signed a player no one heard of who bags us 6 points. jesus it grates me sometimes how people complain. mb is gonna be quality for town. has the original poster said anything better than this after?
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Marcus is a "Breath of Fresh Air"
Fully agree, All the years Hurst was here I sat on the fence about him, Sometimes thinking he will make it sometimes thinking he does not have a clue, With Marcus I am fully behind him and think he will be fantastic for us and go on to bigger things, Hopefully not for a while yet, Onwards and upwards |
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Still don't think we were that bad - remember the defeats to Cheltenham and Hartlepool? They didn't have to be that good to beat us. The best two teams I've seen are Carlisle and Portsmouth - one didn't beat us and the other we lost in the last 5 minutes due to a bad challenge by one of our forwards.
Both teams, particularly Portsmouth, closed down the space, their full backs pushed Chambers and Jackson back which isolated Omar and reduced the options for passing when we did get the ball. No disaster, just a bit frustrating, but possibly the best teams we will play this season.
As mentioned in a previous thread/post we have only conceded 1 goal from open play since November 28th which tells you something that Marcus is not just about attack despite some of the things he says in the media he clearly understands any success will be on the basis of a solid defence. |
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As a manager you are judged on the most recent results. Its the way it is.
MB had a decent start then had a slump. Fans get worried. Now on a tidy little run everyones happy again.
Of course its still early days of the MB era and you cant really judge someone over a short stretch of games.
We played some tough opponents leading up to Christmas so whilst i wasnt overly concerned that results werent going our way i was a bit concerned about the level of performance.
We seemed to have learned form that and 10 pts from 12 is a very good return.
The defence looks solid. I feel sorry for Macca ( a magnificent servant to the club) but Henderson has come in and hardly put a foot wrong. MB clearly wants to make us even better with the addition of Gunning.
MB is still working on improving our forward play.
Again early days but MB seems to have picked up a player in Yusuf. I hadnt heard of him a week ago. Hursty rightly had a good reputation for spotting talent. The new management team may have the same gift
Hopefully another couple of new faces during this window and the club can build on this solid foundation.
Just over half way through the season and the first priority of staying up is already within sight..I think all Town fans would be happy with where we are right now.
With that target out of the way why now aim to finish as high as we can. Play-offs ?? Why not. If we dont make it its not the end of the world. A mid table finish would be a very satisfactory 1st season back in the Football League. But lets face it we are greedy (I know I am!) and being where we are right now lets give it a right go.
Lets get behind the team and the manager. Who knows where that could take us. They will likely be bumps along the way. Lets not get too down if there are.Onwards and Upwards.
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I cannot imagine we would have 36 points and be in the position we are if we had not had a change of manager. Even accepting the fact we were eventually promoted I still think PH got a lot more from GTFC than the club got from employing PH for 5 years.
It may be that we are still in the honeymoon period but I doubt it now. You don't stand still in football, you go up or you go down. Ambition is infectious and you can feel that people have a much more positive atmosphere than it did in September when the Fishy was in "we'll be satisfied if we stay up" mood. The team go out with the idea of getting the 3 points instead of just stopping the other lot from winning. It means a lot, it energises the supporters and MB realises that.
The play offs are within reach. Depending on the January transfers that is a realistic ambition and we should go all out to do it. Then who knows? We know they are a lottery but if you don't buy a ticket you can't win.
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There are a few posters on this thread and certainly a few tweeters that have not only made complete arses of themselves but are now conspicuous by there abscence!
Oh they are never there when we are doing well lol. If we lose a couple of games the same few sad sacks turn up and start complaining I wonder sometimes if they are even supporters or they just get off on coming to wind people up when we lose because they never seem interested in celebrating and praising when it's due. |
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Fully agree,
All the years Hurst was here I sat on the fence about him,
Sometimes thinking he will make it sometimes thinking he does not have a clue,
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I cannot imagine we would have 36 points and be in the position we are if we had not had a change of manager. Even accepting the fact we were eventually promoted I still think PH got a lot more from GTFC than the club got from employing PH for 5 years.
It may be that we are still in the honeymoon period but I doubt it now. You don't stand still in football, you go up or you go down. Ambition is infectious and you can feel that people have a much more positive atmosphere than it did in September when the Fishy was in "we'll be satisfied if we stay up" mood. The team go out with the idea of getting the 3 points instead of just stopping the other lot from winning. It means a lot, it energises the supporters and MB realises that.
The play offs are within reach. Depending on the January transfers that is a realistic ambition and we should go all out to do it. Then who knows? We know they are a lottery but if you don't buy a ticket you can't win.
How can you specifically back up what is in bold above? What's the point at having a pop at Hurst? We are where we wanted to be, PH had a big hand in that, he may have got a move on the back of us getting promoted but many managers do (Laurie Mac, John Newman, Alan Buckley all did), that's football. I find it odd that people start posts by having a pop at someone who did what he was paid to do and cannot defend himself, though the fact the manager helped get is up should be his defence. You are completely right you should not stand still in football and alongside that there is no point in looking back either. Absolutely the time to focus on the present and the future and who knows even further success? BTW in September we took a stack of fans to Notts County, won at Mansfield and Luton and got 10 points from 15 it looks like Jan 17 will be better but Sept was possibly our most solid month to date in terms of results.. |
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A real good feeling about things now as the players finally seem to understand what Marcus wants from them.
I was concerned about the performances a few weeks ago as our midfield players seemed to be like tailor's dummies watching the world go by and seemingly unable to pass the ball. But this 3-5-2 system with a change in personnel, is one the players look comfortable with - even if Marcus may have possibly stumbled upon it by accident!
It's also good to see some really strong performances now from the likes of Henderson, Davies, Andrew, Mills, Comley and Bogle (co-incidentally all Hurst signings - yes the man really did have an eye for talent and we should always acknowledge that).
Come on Town - a big push now for promotion.
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When Conte changed Chelsea to 3-5-2, they won 13 on the trot. Here's hoping.
I also don't Think RRFC is having a pop at PH, more stating his opinion, which is what most comments are.
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How can you specifically back up what is in bold above? What's the point at having a pop at Hurst?
We are where we wanted to be, PH had a big hand in that, he may have got a move on the back of us getting promoted but many managers do (Laurie Mac, John Newman, Alan Buckley all did), that's football. I find it odd that people start posts by having a pop at someone who did what he was paid to do and cannot defend himself, though the fact the manager helped get is up should be his defence.
You are completely right you should not stand still in football and alongside that there is no point in looking back either. Absolutely the time to focus on the present and the future and who knows even further success?
BTW in September we took a stack of fans to Notts County, won at Mansfield and Luton and got 10 points from 15 it looks like Jan 17 will be better but Sept was possibly our most solid month to date in terms of results..
I am talking about attitudes as much as anything. I don't doubt we would have got points, just that we would not have 36. The reason is that PH always had a percentage game mentality. It will serve him well with the position he has at Shrewsbury but as far as ambition for a club is concerned it is a handicap to send a side out with the thought that rule one is to defend. I still think that is why it took him so long to get us up. The aim is to get the most points. You can go undefeated for 12 games and only get 12 points or you can win 6 and lose 6 and get 18 points. No-one is daft enough to do the latter but PH would always seem happy to take the draw. It is everyone's right to comment on previous managers, alive or dead, as they think fit with their opinion. I doubt PH is much interested in what anyone thinks anyway. |
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" I doubt PH is much interested in what anyone thinks anyway."
I didn't think that until he cupped his ear at Wembley in a two fingered salute to the town faithful. I know there was a lot of pressure on him to deliver but not everybody slagged him off. I felt after that Halifax game and all that went on a few seemed destined to leave some rather hastily.
However a new chapter was always on the cards and the break from the past was badly needed.
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I am talking about attitudes as much as anything. I don't doubt we would have got points, just that we would not have 36. The reason is that PH always had a percentage game mentality. It will serve him well with the position he has at Shrewsbury but as far as ambition for a club is concerned it is a handicap to send a side out with the thought that rule one is to defend. I still think that is why it took him so long to get us up. The aim is to get the most points. You can go undefeated for 12 games and only get 12 points or you can win 6 and lose 6 and get 18 points. No-one is daft enough to do the latter but PH would always seem happy to take the draw.
It is everyone's right to comment on previous managers, alive or dead, as they think fit with their opinion. I doubt PH is much interested in what anyone thinks anyway.
Fair enough! But don't you think that "percentage game mentality" led to one of the best away records in the history of the club? All be it in a tin pot league? Also conceding 1 goal in open play since November 28th would suggest that the "rule 1" theory is something that is serving us well at the moment? Funny how history works I reckon someone said to me recently that PH is one of only 5 managers to get us promoted in the last 50 years. Anyway the future is looking rosy I reckon |
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" I doubt PH is much interested in what anyone thinks anyway."
I didn't think that until he cupped his ear at Wembley in a two fingered salute to the town faithful. I know there was a lot of pressure on him to deliver but not everybody slagged him off. I felt after that Halifax game and all that went on a few seemed destined to leave.
he did cop for a lot at Halifax, I have been going to games since 1978 and I have never heard anything like that, then again the "spoilt" comment was possibly not his best piece of media work. |
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Fair enough! But don't you think that "percentage game mentality" led to one of the best away records in the history of the club? All be it in a tin pot league? Also conceding 1 goal in open play since November 28th would suggest that the "rule 1" theory is something that is serving us well at the moment? Funny how history works I reckon someone said to me recently that PH is one of only 5 managers to get us promoted in the last 50 years. Anyway the future is looking rosy I reckon
There are different approaches to "rule 1" though. The Hurst way is to keep us shape and play tight and efficient football. The MB way is to keep the ball away from the opposition and play further up the pitch. In essence, it's either attack is the best form of defence, or defence is the best form of defence. I'd rather we lost trying to win than set out for a point and anything else is a bonus mentality. As RRFC points out, losing games is no big deal if you win a fair few as well. Draws are no good to no-one long term. They just leave you in a safe no mans land. |
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There are different approaches to "rule 1" though. The Hurst way is to keep us shape and play tight and efficient football. The MB way is to keep the ball away from the opposition and play further up the pitch.
In essence, it's either attack is the best form of defence, or defence is the best form of defence. I'd rather we lost trying to win than set out for a point and anything else is a bonus mentality. As RRFC points out, losing games is no big deal if you win a fair few as well. Draws are no good to no-one long term. They just leave you in a safe no mans land.
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There are different approaches to "rule 1" though. The Hurst way is to keep us shape and play tight and efficient football. The MB way is to keep the ball away from the opposition and play further up the pitch.
In essence, it's either attack is the best form of defence, or defence is the best form of defence. I'd rather we lost trying to win than set out for a point and anything else is a bonus mentality. As RRFC points out, losing games is no big deal if you win a fair few as well. Draws are no good to no-one long term. They just leave you in a safe no mans land.
Agree with that but we did score 83 league goals last year although against tin pot opposition and some really ropey sides and as you quite rightly pointed out recently Ginny PH wanted to play what is seen as a more open 4 - 3 - 3 but never felt he had the personnel. Things is with Paul we could have won the champions league but after cupping his ear at Wembley it still would not have won many people over. |
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Yesterday sounded just like the sort of away performance we used to get under PH didn't it? I'm pleased with how it's going and I like MB but I'm not sure I see the huge change of approach some seem to.
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The main thing for me is that prior to a game Marcus will talk positively about getting a result without belittling the opposition, P Hurst on the other hand would big up the opposition that I think the players and maybe some fans would think we were playing world beaters.
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Oh they are never there when we are doing well lol. If we lose a couple of games the same few sad sacks turn up and start complaining I wonder sometimes if they are even supporters or they just get off on coming to wind people up when we lose because they never seem interested in celebrating and praising when it's due.
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Yesterday sounded just like the sort of away performance we used to get under PH didn't it? I'm pleased with how it's going and I like MB but I'm not sure I see the huge change of approach some seem to.
I think the will is there to change the approach but not the players as yet. Going 3-5-2 lately may suggest that Bignot has realised that he can't get us playing the way he wants to at this time and has tightened us up on the back of three losses on the trot and playing a system that suits the personnel we currently have. I think we will play a more expansive game than Hurst did when the appropriate signings are made. I think he has realised that the wide players we have are not up to it, so is using wing backs instead. |
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Agree with that but we did score 83 league goals last year although against tin pot opposition and some really ropey sides and as you quite rightly pointed out recently Ginny PH wanted to play what is seen as a more open 4 - 3 - 3 but never felt he had the personnel.
Things is with Paul we could have won the champions league but after cupping his ear at Wembley it still would not have won many people over.
I was never interested in the ear cupping and though his approach to fans and the media left something to be desired it was always his football approach that I was never keen on. The best way out of that league was to go for the jugular and build a team to make others afraid. Somehow he would make us appear to be the underdogs even against the pub teams. It's reasonable to have an opinion about that isn't it? If as you say he wanted to play a more open style he had years to assemble the personnel. I don't think he really did. His game is rooted in the 1990s when defence began with the number 9 and if the other side didn't score you had a point. If he had wanted to be more open in the play he would never have messed about Amond and Bogle with people like Tomlinson like he did. His problem was that he couldn't come up with any other way to defend without his strikers running themselves legless but he couldn't get the team to play to the strikers to win games either. So the easier way out is 4-4-2, hard running strikers, defensive midfield, wingers cover full backs, long ball out, fight for the second ball, play from there. Easy to play, easy to stop too. His other problem was that tactically, i.e. during games, he wasn't very inventive and his substitutions were less than inspiring. I'm not 100% certain about MB yet, this window and another month or two of routine matches will let us know what his ideas are really like. I am just saying that so far those ideas and the ethos he has brought have gained us more points than the safety first would have done and the position of being able to look down on most of the league. Even when not playing well, the players look interested in getting the ball quickly and getting forward if they can. Better players will do that better. |
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Reading the early pages of this thread convinces me yet again that the instinct of some contributors is always to fire off the first thing that comes into their head only to see, less than a month later, that their words look slightly ridiculous in print. I said on here (and some others said it too) that I thought MB was an excellent choice but that I didn't expect Town to embark on a winning run straight away. It's an old adage that 'patience is a virtue' and it's as true in football as in any other walk of life. It seems to me that the least successful clubs are those that change managers at the drop of a hat (how ya doing Notts County?). It always takes time to change a culture and one could tell at the very beginning that MB and PH were very different characters, the latter diffident and frequently tetchy, the former bubbly and extrovert, overflowing with enthusiasm for the task ahead. But it's still early days and it'll take time for MB to build the team he wants to build. Personally, I really like the guy-full of optimism, and I think it galvanises the supporters too. If part of the new culture is to have double training sessions and have class room sessions too, I imagine this is all part of the drive to improve fitness and application. Surely the other adage that 'practice makes perfect' has merit too! I'm more optimistic now about the club's future than I have been for years, but I know it's still early days too.
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I was never interested in the ear cupping and though his approach to fans and the media left something to be desired it was always his football approach that I was never keen on. The best way out of that league was to go for the jugular and build a team to make others afraid. Somehow he would make us appear to be the underdogs even against the pub teams. It's reasonable to have an opinion about that isn't it?
If as you say he wanted to play a more open style he had years to assemble the personnel. I don't think he really did. His game is rooted in the 1990s when defence began with the number 9 and if the other side didn't score you had a point. If he had wanted to be more open in the play he would never have messed about Amond and Bogle with people like Tomlinson like he did. His problem was that he couldn't come up with any other way to defend without his strikers running themselves legless but he couldn't get the team to play to the strikers to win games either.
So the easier way out is 4-4-2, hard running strikers, defensive midfield, wingers cover full backs, long ball out, fight for the second ball, play from there. Easy to play, easy to stop too.
His other problem was that tactically, i.e. during games, he wasn't very inventive and his substitutions were less than inspiring.
I'm not 100% certain about MB yet, this window and another month or two of routine matches will let us know what his ideas are really like. I am just saying that so far those ideas and the ethos he has brought have gained us more points than the safety first would have done and the position of being able to look down on most of the league. Even when not playing well, the players look interested in getting the ball quickly and getting forward if they can. Better players will do that better.
It was Ginny that said PH wanted to play 4 - 3 - 3 I used to get really p1ssed off that we would line up against poor sides in a 4 - 4 -2 especially when at times we had no real quality on the flanks or that we could not go 3 at the back when sides would come to BP and put 1 up front. I do agree endeavour will get you more points in theory and to be fair to Marcus I think he is learning that at this level you need a mix of that and pragmatism hence packing the mid field at Carlisle. |
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It was Ginny that said PH wanted to play 4 - 3 - 3 I used to get really p1ssed off that we would line up against poor sides in a 4 - 4 -2 especially when at times we had no real quality on the flanks or that we could not go 3 at the back when sides would come to BP and put 1 up front.
I do agree endeavour will get you more points in theory and to be fair to Marcus I think he is learning that at this level you need a mix of that and pragmatism hence packing the mid field at Carlisle.
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Fully agree,
All the years Hurst was here I sat on the fence about him,
Sometimes thinking he will make it sometimes thinking he does not have a clue,
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Lets hope he's going on to bigger things with us Pete, then the end of this sentence wouldn't apply.
That's what I meant Grimal he will get success with us then the big boys will come calling, It did not work out with Buckley and he came back and had more success with us, So maybe Sir Alan should have a word with Marcus when the time comes. |
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Did i ?
I think so....................Possibly in a thread about how PH threw the budget away or something similar, apologies in advance if not! |
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I think so....................Possibly in a thread about how PH threw the budget away or something similar, apologies in advance if not!
No apologies necessary- not saying i didn't, just can't remember it. All academic now anyway, it's onward with MB and whatever ride that brings. |
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No apologies necessary- not saying i didn't, just can't remember it.
All academic now anyway, it's onward with MB and whatever ride that brings.
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I am talking about attitudes as much as anything. I don't doubt we would have got points, just that we would not have 36. The reason is that PH always had a percentage game mentality. It will serve him well with the position he has at Shrewsbury but as far as ambition for a club is concerned it is a handicap to send a side out with the thought that rule one is to defend.
There's no evidence as yet to suggest MB is any more attack-minded than Hurst. At the moment we are playing 3 centre backs, our orthodox wingers have been dropped in favour of our full-backs playing as wing-backs, and all 3 central midfielders are holding midfielders! So our line-up has (including the keeper) 9 players who are naturally defence-minded. However the system is working and we are obviously creating chances, but let's not confuse Marcus's bubbly personality as being proof of an attack-minded manager. Now it may well turn out that with the players he acquires over time we will see more creativity in midfield - and I feel sure that will be the case, but for now we can only judge on what we've seen to date. |
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However, I would like to see us setup 4-4-2 next week at home, Bolarinwa and Vose wide with Comley and Dis in the middle and Adi and Omar up top.
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There's no evidence as yet to suggest MB is any more attack-minded than Hurst. At the moment we are playing 3 centre backs, our orthodox wingers have been dropped in favour of our full-backs playing as wing-backs, and all 3 central midfielders are holding midfielders! So our line-up has (including the keeper) 9 players who are naturally defence-minded.
However the system is working and we are obviously creating chances, but let's not confuse Marcus's bubbly personality as being proof of an attack-minded manager. Now it may well turn out that with the players he acquires over time we will see more creativity in midfield - and I feel sure that will be the case, but for now we can only judge on what we've seen to date.
A fair assessment and i agree. Chambers is injured, Browne is out of the picture for now, Bolarinwa is too hit and miss, which is why we end up with a mix of Jackson, Berrett and Vose on the wings, none of whom can get behind teams. I think MB has gone this route for now, as Davies and Andrew are better getting forward and getting crosses in than the other options. I expect this to change over time. |
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There's no evidence as yet to suggest MB is any more attack-minded than Hurst. At the moment we are playing 3 centre backs, our orthodox wingers have been dropped in favour of our full-backs playing as wing-backs, and all 3 central midfielders are holding midfielders! So our line-up has (including the keeper) 9 players who are naturally defence-minded.
However the system is working and we are obviously creating chances, but let's not confuse Marcus's bubbly personality as being proof of an attack-minded manager. Now it may well turn out that with the players he acquires over time we will see more creativity in midfield - and I feel sure that will be the case, but for now we can only judge on what we've seen to date.
You are quoting me out of context. If you read the other posts I made you will see your points are pretty well covered. |
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I dont think the football is any easier on the eye as yet, MB talked about excitment, high pressing, flying wingers, early subs if it isnt working, etc etc....apart from his first home game his in play tactical subs are largely as late or later than the Hurst 70 minute specials....i havnt witnessed any sustained periods of the above either but in the last couple of games i think the signs are there that he is starting to understand his squad and how to utilise it, which with a couple of decent new signings to compliment what we have then hopefully we can only look up.
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The key quotes from Bignot from Saturday post-match is this:
"Overall we were disappointing, in terms of on the ball. We can be better and we want to be better. I'm not going to get frustrated with that, though, because we know where we are as a group.
"We are trying to be busy so we can try and help this group, but in the mean-time we can't go away from what we are good at."
In other words he knows we don't have the style of players in certain areas to play how he wants us to eventually play, so we've been sticking a bit more to the Hurst style (because that's what the squad was built for) until he can bring in a few players to help us transition to a team that dominates games and possession a bit more.
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I'm convinced we steadily progressing in right direction even if clearly not completely the Bignot way -yet.
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3 5 2 seems to be the resolution to having dominant players until January signings are complete.
I am happy that Comley and Disley have both got back into the side as they seem to be working well together with the overlapping full backs, however cover needs to be sorted so that the 3 centre halves don't get pulled out of position too easily on to the wing positions.
It would be good if Ben Davies and Zak Mills could form a partnership on the right flank to interchange during attacks. both have natural attacking tendencies but one always needs to aware of covering the other.
I'm sure that now the first week of the transfer window has gone, we will have round 2 of rumours and disapproval that we haven't immediately signed all of our prime targets - not always that easy - Bogle being the major example of patience.
If Town can stumble through hard earned victories for the rest of this month, it may be a stepping stone towards Bignot's master plan and we will see how many will be leaving as well as coming in.
Certainly expectant times ahead for all ! Entertainment and results on the field - now that would be good to watch !
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However, I would like to see us setup 4-4-2 next week at home, Bolarinwa and Vose wide with Comley and Dis in the middle and Adi and Omar up top.
Point 1. We've just won 2 games playing 3-5-2 so why would you change it? Point 2. Vose is not and never will be a winger nor will he ever provide sufficient cover to allow Andrew to overlap. |
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Point 1. We've just won 2 games playing 3-5-2 so why would you change it?
Point 2. Vose is not and never will be a winger nor will he ever provide sufficient cover to allow Andrew to overlap.
WHS I really like Vose the sort of player you don't mind paying too watch when he is on his game these days they are described as luxury players or classic no10.I would play him at home against sides I thought we would dominate or last 20 mins if we needed a goal but other than that I would play the more hard working track back type of wideman or solidify my centre mid Vose is neither. |
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3 5 2 seems to be the resolution to having dominant players until January signings are complete.
I am happy that Comley and Disley have both got back into the side as they seem to be working well together with the overlapping full backs, however cover needs to be sorted so that the 3 centre halves don't get pulled out of position too easily on to the wing positions.
It would be good if Ben Davies and Zak Mills could form a partnership on the right flank to interchange during attacks. both have natural attacking tendencies but one always needs to aware of covering the other.
I'm sure that now the first week of the transfer window has gone, we will have round 2 of rumours and disapproval that we haven't immediately signed all of our prime targets - not always that easy - Bogle being the major example of patience.
If Town can stumble through hard earned victories for the rest of this month, it may be a stepping stone towards Bignot's master plan and we will see how many will be leaving as well as coming in.
Certainly expectant times ahead for all ! Entertainment and results on the field - now that would be good to watch !
Good call, I think Marcus did try from the off and a good example of that was Crawley where we started with and open shape. I actually think we will see 3 at the back and a loaded mid field for a few games into Feb so he can integrate anyone new and keep the positive results coming until safety. If we are safe by the end of Feb we could see some really good stuff after that, personnel permitting. |
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I think Mariner_09 plays a lot of football manager.
Bit like Cod Almighty - they've always been known for banging on about the need to play 4-4-2, especially during Hurst's reign when he was often slapped down for experimenting with more 'modern' systems. Lately, however, they've gone strangely quiet on the subject. The truth is, 4-4-2 was invented by Alf Ramsey in 1966, so it would be a bit odd if football hadn't evolved at all with formations and tactics during the last 50 years!! Of course, now we see it all the time, with almost every team trying (and succeeding) with a different way of playing the game to what most of us in this country were brought up with. |
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For me, the important thing is, I am convinced that MB knows what he is doing, and so do the players. How this evolves is potentially exciting, but getting the defence tight with fast counter attack should ensure survival in this division (glass half empty). |
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Bit like Cod Almighty - they've always been known for banging on about the need to play 4-4-2, especially during Hurst's reign when he was often slapped down for experimenting with more 'modern' systems. Lately, however, they've gone strangely quiet on the subject.
The truth is, 4-4-2 was invented by Alf Ramsey in 1966, so it would be a bit odd if football hadn't evolved at all with formations and tactics during the last 50 years!!
Of course, now we see it all the time, with almost every team trying (and succeeding) with a different way of playing the game to what most of us in this country were brought up with.
Actually, to be pedantic, Alf really invented 4-2-4 because his first sides in the mid 60s had Bobby Robson & Johnny Haynes in centre midfield with a mixture of wingers including Bobby Charlton, John Connelly, Bryan Douglas and others. It was this formation with which they hammered Spain away. It wasn't until later when Robson and Haynes were badly injured that Charlton came into the middle with Stiles. Even then it was more like a 4-3-3 because John Connelly was still a regular on the wing. Only right at the last minute did England become wingless wonders with Ball and Peters and use what we now think of as 4-4-2. Lots of teams are playing about with different formations but I still think managers have to look at the players and decide who could fit in a new system and who doesn't. When Wenger went to Arsenal he left George Graham's 4-4-2 alone for a season or so and only gradually brought in players like Berkhamp and Vierra. The Tony Adams back four carried on for quite a while. So MB is doing a gradual change which is sensible until he has a squad capable of playing his ideal way. |
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Just a thought . Interested to read about double training and classroom sessions plus that he is looking at a lot of non league players. I wonder if the two are connected I.e. That non league players getting their big chance as a pro are going to take this on board whereas your run of the mill lower league pro may be a bit more resistant to all the extra work. Remember your non league pro is holding down a job, training twice a week plus lots of long distance travel to matches.
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Hi Guys , hope you are all well .......
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Your first post since the 11th of December. Weird that. Bore off.
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orrr im sorry for saying hello ............ hope you enjoyed the game
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cant believe you even checked when my last post was and you call me boring ???
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cant believe you even checked when my last post was and you call me boring ???
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Can't be a Town fan is my thinking.
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For me, the important thing is, I am convinced that MB knows what he is doing, and so do the players. How this evolves is potentially exciting, but getting the defence tight with fast counter attack should ensure survival in this division (glass half empty).
Bignot is out of his depth - one division too far I'm afraid. |
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Bignot is out of his depth - one division too far I'm afraid.
You've evaluated that out of how many games watched under Bignot may I ask? |
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They were able to out number Bogz having the luxury of no other danger until Tombola came on. 
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