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Dear Rob,

I have been asked by staff at the club to review the posting on your website (The Fishy).

It is with huge disappointment what I have read and I couldn’t be more appalled, by the offensive nature of many of the threads and postings, some of which are abhorrent to say the least and others no doubt liables me.

I am aware that you are able to trace the IP addresses of those posting the messages.

Could you please with immediate effect remove all threads or postings accordingly and retain them for potential evidence together with their IP addresses and contact details and confirm to me that you have done this, as I may be forced to make challenge in due course if the site is not moderated appropriately in the future.

For the record I have also retained screen scrapes of the threads.

I am at a loss as to how anyone can deserve such accusations or that they can be left to accumulate.

Would the same people abuse the clubs sponsors that provide sponsorship and expect them to carry on next year, I think not.

I have only ever worked in the best interest of our football club and will continue to do that, if that requires me to leave the Board of Directors then I would do this. I am not hanging on over other options available to our club.

Its not so long ago there were some suggesting that when I held 51% shareholding in the club, that this was a reason for lack of external interest/investment in the club. Now it’s my loans.

What are they going to say if I convert loans into shares now!!!! that I am vie for control.

The club has effectively been up for sale since I stepped down as chairman and there has been no credible interest in taking the club on. A prerequisite of anyone taking over is that they can demonstrate financial baking as I am sure everyone will understand. (That is backing to demonstrate they can finance the club going forward, not to pay back loans as I am sure some will cease on)

I realise during my time as chairman substantially we have failed on the field. Not a defence, but I have to say that the Board have always maintained a competitive playing budget available to each and every manager and ensured that the club can pay its bills during the whole of my involvement in our club.    

I know that’s not good enough, however while our club continues to provide a competitive budget and pay its bills, we have a football club to support and some day, with or without me as a Director, football fortune will return.

There are those that think Noddy and Big Ears are running the club, by god I would like to see them stand up to be counted.

In making decisions without responsibility and the financial implications we can all do better than those in charge, but with the facts and responsibility before you, chooses are not always quite so wide ranging or possible.

I am happy you post this email and would like confirmation of your action by return.

Regards

John Fenty


The Fishy has more members than the average attendance at Blundell Park. Read our post on how to post on this forum: http://www.thefishy.co.uk/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1387542931/
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Yeah I would definitely be worrying about posts on a forum rather than the dire situation our club has been in the past few years  
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That is embarrassing!

I wish i had some financial baking  

Take the club from the championship to the conference then bring liable action against the fans!

The club should take legal action on its spellchecker!


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Good on Fenty. Some people on here need to grow up.

Keyboard warriors. It's cringeworthy.


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That is embarrassing!

I wish i had some financial baking  

Take the club from the championship to the conference then bring liable action against the fans!

The club should take legal action on its spellchecker!



i think he has done a really good job at the club, and should be given the key to the city and a knighthood/ be carried around the town on the backs of fans chanting his name.
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From now on any posts which libel Mr Fenty or any of the other GTFC board members will be removed. IP Addresses, names and e-mail addresses will be recorded and anyone who has been warned will be banned from the site. You may think you are hiding behind a made up name but you are not really.


The Fishy has more members than the average attendance at Blundell Park. Read our post on how to post on this forum: http://www.thefishy.co.uk/cgi-bin/forum/Blah.pl?m-1387542931/
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i think he has done a really good job at the club, and should be given the key to the city and a knighthood/ be carried around the town on the backs of fans chanting his name.


Is someone a bit rattled?


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Good on Fenty. Some people on here need to grow up.

Keyboard warriors. It's cringeworthy.


nail on head mate


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Is someone a bit rattled?


Rattled? Find one post where i have said anything about Fenty, dare ya.
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I am surprised this has not happened sooner - people can only take so much abuse and verbal attacks.A totally sad day for our football club and our website   Where do we go from here ? UTM !


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If you don't like what you read Fenty, don't faaaackin read it!


GT GTF GTFC OK!


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Well thanks to the useless mods who moan about whats going on and left it on the Fishy well done youre to blame as well as the posters who started all this.


                                                          

• In addition, it was requested for anyone involved with GTST to step away from the
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The club should take legal action on its spellchecker!



You mean a writ ?
Sounds about write !  
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I am surprised this has not happened sooner - people can only take so much abuse and verbal attacks.A totally sad day for our football club and our website   Where do we go from here ? UTM !



Down?
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If you don't like what you read Fenty, don't faaaackin read it!
Oh dear



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Well thanks to the useless mods who moan about whats going on and left it on the Fishy well done youre to blame as well as the posters who started all this.


Point taken. I hold my hand up and say we should have done more,


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If you don't like what you read Fenty, don't faaaackin read it!




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Absolutely pathetic


I will see you in court.
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Good on Fenty. Some people on here need to grow up.

Keyboard warriors. It's cringeworthy.


agree


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Blame Fenty when he was chairman, blame the managers, blame the players, blame Fenty when he is not chairman, blame Mike Parker because he doesnt want to be chairman, blame this tin pot league, blame pub sides for beating us, blame the GTST and then blame the mods on the Fishy.......have we missed anybody out who is to blame.





Thatcher?
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Wheres my original post gone?


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There is a massive difference between having an opinion, debating it and personal abuse. The Fishy should be about lively debate and peculiar humour, it is always poorer when it drops into abuse, to JF or anyone else, even some of our own problem children. What the original letter should do is make you stop and think before posting anything abusive. For the record if people want to abuse me they can feel free as I don't give a excrement. The point is though the moment someone does take offence is the moment it becomes a problem. Even ex chairmen with the thickest of skin reach that point eventually.

Pls note the exceptions to the above are Dave Challinor, Lee Hughes, Martin Butler and Micky Lyons, there are others, but perhaps they should be placed on some sort of Town Offenders Register so the Fishy vigilante mob can chase after them from behind their keyboards.


Batch, Crombie, Moore K, Wiggington, Cumming, Waters, Bonnyman, Ford, Emson, Drinkell, Whymark. Love you all, You are the reason I'm on here. You've had help from Todd, Handyside, Futcher P, Groves, Mendonca, Macca etc etc etc. Up The Mariners!!!!!!!!!
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There is a massive difference between having an opinion, debating it and personal abuse. The Fishy should be about lively debate and peculiar humour, it is always poorer when it drops into abuse, to JF or anyone else, even some of our own problem children. What the original letter should do is make you stop and think before posting anything abusive. For the record if people want to abuse me they can feel free as I don't give a excrement. The point is though the moment someone does take offence is the moment it becomes a problem. Even ex chairmen with the thickest of skin reach that point eventually.

Pls note the exceptions to the above are Dave Challinor, Lee Hughes, Martin Butler and Micky Lyons, there are others, but perhaps they should be placed on some sort of Town Offenders Register so the Fishy vigilante mob can chase after them from behind their keyboards.


       I like the sound of a Town Offenders Register>


Batch, K.Moore, Waters, Wiggington, Crombie, Brolly, Ford, Drinkell, Mitchell, Cumming, Kilmore. D.Moore, Stone, Liddell. ....1979/80..... now that WAS a team.
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That is embarrassing!

I wish i had some financial baking  



Is financial baking something to do with making money in the oven?

If so, I'm in.
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loads of budding chairmen on this board tonight ,, i hope they put there money in then every thing will b sorted ,, easy isnt it
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Utterly unnecessary from Fenty - as is usually the case with his public statements.

It says a lot about the club and the man himself that he cannot rise above such childish internet drivel and feels the need to take such a threatening and heavy-handed approach.

People on here talk about the potential death of GTFC but as far as I am concerned that has already happened.  I still support them (I'll be there tomorrow) but the fire and passion has been wiped away by the misery of the last ten years.  Rightly or wrongly, I blame JF for that, and I for one hope the man never gets near the chairmanship again.

Feel free to pass that on to John, Rob.
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Utterly unnecessary from Fenty - as is usually the case with his public statements.

It says a lot about the club and the man himself that he cannot rise above such childish internet drivel and feels the need to take such a threatening and heavy-handed approach.

People on here talk about the potential death of GTFC but as far as I am concerned that has already happened.  I still support them (I'll be there tomorrow) but the fire and passion has been wiped away by the misery of the last ten years.  Rightly or wrongly, I blame JF for that, and I for one hope the man never gets near the chairmanship again.

Feel free to pass that on to John, Rob.


Biggest nail on the head post, post of the week infact.
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Dear Rob,

I have been asked by staff at the club to review the posting on your website (The Fishy).

It is with huge disappointment what I have read and I couldn’t be more appalled, by the offensive nature of many of the threads and postings, some of which are abhorrent to say the least and others no doubt liables me.

I am aware that you are able to trace the IP addresses of those posting the messages.

Could you please with immediate effect remove all threads or postings accordingly and retain them for potential evidence together with their IP addresses and contact details and confirm to me that you have done this, as I may be forced to make challenge in due course if the site is not moderated appropriately in the future.

For the record I have also retained screen scrapes of the threads.

I am at a loss as to how anyone can deserve such accusations or that they can be left to accumulate.

Would the same people abuse the clubs sponsors that provide sponsorship and expect them to carry on next year, I think not.

I have only ever worked in the best interest of our football club and will continue to do that, if that requires me to leave the Board of Directors then I would do this. I am not hanging on over other options available to our club.

Its not so long ago there were some suggesting that when I held 51% shareholding in the club, that this was a reason for lack of external interest/investment in the club. Now it’s my loans.

What are they going to say if I convert loans into shares now!!!! that I am vie for control.

The club has effectively been up for sale since I stepped down as chairman and there has been no credible interest in taking the club on. A prerequisite of anyone taking over is that they can demonstrate financial baking as I am sure everyone will understand. (That is backing to demonstrate they can finance the club going forward, not to pay back loans as I am sure some will cease on)

I realise during my time as chairman substantially we have failed on the field. Not a defence, but I have to say that the Board have always maintained a competitive playing budget available to each and every manager and ensured that the club can pay its bills during the whole of my involvement in our club.    

I know that’s not good enough, however while our club continues to provide a competitive budget and pay its bills, we have a football club to support and some day, with or without me as a Director, football fortune will return.

There are those that think Noddy and Big Ears are running the club, by god I would like to see them stand up to be counted.

In making decisions without responsibility and the financial implications we can all do better than those in charge, but with the facts and responsibility before you, chooses are not always quite so wide ranging or possible.

I am happy you post this email and would like confirmation of your action by return.

Regards

John Fenty



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Utterly unnecessary from Fenty - as is usually the case with his public statements.

It says a lot about the club and the man himself that he cannot rise above such childish internet drivel and feels the need to take such a threatening and heavy-handed approach.

People on here talk about the potential death of GTFC but as far as I am concerned that has already happened.  I still support them (I'll be there tomorrow) but the fire and passion has been wiped away by the misery of the last ten years.  Rightly or wrongly, I blame JF for that, and I for one hope the man never gets near the chairmanship again.

Feel free to pass that on to John, Rob.


childish drivel ,, oh dear i thought people were taking it seriously
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Noddy and Big Ears...I like that. Much, much better than Chuckle Brothers etc....


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From now on any posts which libel Mr Fenty or any of the other GTFC board members will be removed. IP Addresses, names and e-mail addresses will be recorded and anyone who has been warned will be banned from the site. You may think you are hiding behind a made up name but you are not really.


Unbelievable !!  He's probably got no issues with nice, positive "we love John Fenty" threads but anyone mentions his long list of failures and poor decision making and he comes out with that !!!

You can't help but libel him when you mention all his fook ups !!  lol

I like how he suggested it wasn't him making a complaint  . . . . . . . really !!!
"I have been asked by staff at the club to review the posting on your website (The Fishy)"  What a joke !

Hoorah . . . . . so much for free speech eh !!!

It just confirms what I've suspected about him and supports the many reasons why IMO the club failed under his Chairmanship !



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Utterly unnecessary from Fenty - as is usually the case with his public statements.

It says a lot about the club and the man himself that he cannot rise above such childish internet drivel and feels the need to take such a threatening and heavy-handed approach.

People on here talk about the potential death of GTFC but as far as I am concerned that has already happened.  I still support them (I'll be there tomorrow) but the fire and passion has been wiped away by the misery of the last ten years.  Rightly or wrongly, I blame JF for that, and I for one hope the man never gets near the chairmanship again.

Feel free to pass that on to John, Rob.


100% AGREE !



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I still think some of you are  slightly missing the point, look at the first line of the letter:-

" Dear Rob,"

" I have been asked by staff at the club to review the posting on your website (The Fishy)."

It's not only Mr Fenty but also a lot of GTFC staff that some very damaging statements have been made about. It would appear that they the staff asked him to check the fishy.

As an exiled Town supporter living abroad I can't believe some of the stuff that you have been aloud to post on the site. Making untrue of false statements on the net or via email can have serious consequences: I would have thought that after the recent events in the UK you would have all been aware of that.

I am of course very sad to see the state of GTFC on which I have my own thoughts and do get chance now and again to talk to people about it.
All I can see that I think you are lucky that the powers to be (not Mr Fenty of GTFC) have not taken the site of air.
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There is a massive difference between having an opinion, debating it and personal abuse. The Fishy should be about lively debate and peculiar humour, it is always poorer when it drops into abuse, to JF or anyone else, even some of our own problem children. What the original letter should do is make you stop and think before posting anything abusive. For the record if people want to abuse me they can feel free as I don't give a excrement. The point is though the moment someone does take offence is the moment it becomes a problem. Even ex chairmen with the thickest of skin reach that point eventually.

Pls note the exceptions to the above are Dave Challinor, Lee Hughes, Martin Butler and Micky Lyons, there are others, but perhaps they should be placed on some sort of Town Offenders Register so the Fishy vigilante mob can chase after them from behind their keyboards.


Agreed.  But once again its the manner of how Fenty deals with things like this.  Surely a private correspondance to the board moderators would have sufficed and then they could have taken the appropriate action?  After all, I suspect we are talking about no more than 5-10 posters who have got anywhere near anything libellous, if that.

As for his complaints about the language being used and things being abusive - does he listen to some GTFC fans at games and the abuse they hurl at players, managers, opposing fans? Plenty of this is appalling.  Is he going to take action against this?  Suspect not.

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Unbelievable !!  He's probably got no issues with nice, positive "we love John Fenty" threads but anyone mentions his long list of failures and poor decision making and he comes out with that !!!


That's not true at all. You can criticise you just can't say anything you can't prove about him (and by that I mean it's in the public domain). The same goes for any other person in the country. It's the law believe it or not!


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That's not true at all. You can criticise you just can't say anything you can't prove about him (and by that I mean it's in the public domain). The same goes for any other person it the country. It's the law believe it or not!


So we can say he's dragged this club down to the bottom of English football in the past 10 years and post the league tables as proof, maybe throw in a bit of harvard referencing?
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If some of the statements were near libellous I'm sure the mods would've removed them , as they have on many occasions previously . I'll stand up for JF in so much as he's dipped into his pocket to keep the club afloat and HAS given the managers HE'S appointed a decent budget . However the club has fallen off the cliff under his watch and ultimately , and therefore has to take his blame . Granted no one likes criticism / abuse but it goes with the territory I'm afraid . Just ask anyone who's been PM in the last 25 years . They never came on message boards and told the country to shut it or else !

There's no doubt JF is town thru and thru which probably makes it worse for all concerned . It would be easier if he were from the far east or Russia

Chill the f u c k out John !!


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Having read his message to Rob my need for someone to act as my proxy at the AGM to vote against Fenty's re-election as a director of GTFC is now even greater and when he is proposed as Chairman, as he inevitably will be, it is vital he is not successful.

(I don't think that 'liables' anyone)

Clearly the posts alleging that the club is massively overstaffed appear to have some accuracy if they have time to monitor this message board in works time.
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Good on Fenty. Some people on here need to grow up.

Keyboard warriors. It's cringeworthy.


Best post on here in the last few weeks.

short and to the point and completely true.
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Can admin not just ask Mr Fenty to point out which posts are the offensive ones and speak to individuals involved and go through appropriate channels that way? It's better than having loads of people seeing how close they can get to crossing the line and a load of other people thinking they're hilarious and posting post after post of unfunny 'jokes'.
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It's an absolute joke the personal abuse Fenty has recieved on here and he's correct to finally do something about it; what's even more of a farce is people also attacking his brother. Hopefully it is noted that it's the very small minority of 'fans' who behave in this way; most of us with at least half a brain cell know better.


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Is financial baking something to do with making money in the oven?

If so, I'm in.


cooking the books


* disclaimer. a joke, not suggesting anything like that has happened at all. i was told to say it by my 3 year old son


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Dear Rob,

I have been asked by staff at the club to review the posting on your website (The Fishy).

It is with huge disappointment what I have read and I couldn’t be more appalled, by the offensive nature of many of the threads and postings, some of which are abhorrent to say the least and others no doubt liables me.

I am aware that you are able to trace the IP addresses of those posting the messages.

Could you please with immediate effect remove all threads or postings accordingly and retain them for potential evidence together with their IP addresses and contact details and confirm to me that you have done this, as I may be forced to make challenge in due course if the site is not moderated appropriately in the future.

For the record I have also retained screen scrapes of the threads.

I am at a loss as to how anyone can deserve such accusations or that they can be left to accumulate.

Would the same people abuse the clubs sponsors that provide sponsorship and expect them to carry on next year, I think not.

I have only ever worked in the best interest of our football club and will continue to do that, if that requires me to leave the Board of Directors then I would do this. I am not hanging on over other options available to our club.

Its not so long ago there were some suggesting that when I held 51% shareholding in the club, that this was a reason for lack of external interest/investment in the club. Now it’s my loans.

What are they going to say if I convert loans into shares now!!!! that I am vie for control.

The club has effectively been up for sale since I stepped down as chairman and there has been no credible interest in taking the club on. A prerequisite of anyone taking over is that they can demonstrate financial baking as I am sure everyone will understand. (That is backing to demonstrate they can finance the club going forward, not to pay back loans as I am sure some will cease on)

I realise during my time as chairman substantially we have failed on the field. Not a defence, but I have to say that the Board have always maintained a competitive playing budget available to each and every manager and ensured that the club can pay its bills during the whole of my involvement in our club.    

I know that’s not good enough, however while our club continues to provide a competitive budget and pay its bills, we have a football club to support and some day, with or without me as a Director, football fortune will return.

There are those that think Noddy and Big Ears are running the club, by god I would like to see them stand up to be counted.

In making decisions without responsibility and the financial implications we can all do better than those in charge, but with the facts and responsibility before you, chooses are not always quite so wide ranging or possible.

I am happy you post this email and would like confirmation of your action by return.

Regards

John Fenty


Is it April 1st??

The spelling and grammar!!

Its got to be a wind up surely>
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Is it April 1st??

The spelling and grammar!!

Its got to be a wind up surely>


Not another case of account hacking is it.....and by that I would like to point out that I am not referring to the recently published accounts  of GTFC


I can't even find a place to start
How do I choose between my head and heart
'Til it ceases, I'll never know...

How do you get up from an all time low?

Here we go - we're on our way......

http://tinyurl.com/j5vk4jp

Operation Promotion - Mission accomplished


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Well said Mr Fenty.


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OK moderator, we've all had a laugh now it's time to reveal who it really is.

It can't be Fenty surely.

If it is it explains a lot about our current situation and it's even more worrying that he runs our club and is likely to be chairman again by the end of this month (in my opinion and allegedly of course)
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If some of the statements were near libellous I'm sure the mods would've removed them , as they have on many occasions previously . I'll stand up for JF in so much as he's dipped into his pocket to keep the club afloat and HAS given the managers HE'S appointed a decent budget . However the club has fallen off the cliff under his watch and ultimately , and therefore has to take his blame . Granted no one likes criticism / abuse but it goes with the territory I'm afraid . Just ask anyone who's been PM in the last 25 years . They never came on message boards and told the country to shut it or else !


Difference is the PM gets paid a heck of a lot of money to take up that post, whereas JF puts money IN for the privelage.

All this is the same small group of people venting their spleens over and over and over again because they feel they need someone to be angry at and blame for what in reality is the result of a number of circumstances that have conspired over the years to bring us to where we are now. That one man is soley responsible for it is simplistic and ridiculous imo.
But people stop listening to them so they start to get more and more abusive in their posts towards JF, start attacking his family as if they're also responsible just by association (ie Sonik), and end up inventing complete crap and fueling bollox speculation just so people start to listen again.
Very loud behind a keyboard but funny how you never ever see these people popping up at fans' forums etc to echo the same points they make so (very) regularly on this board.




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Difference is the PM gets paid a heck of a lot of money to take up that post, whereas JF puts money IN for the privelage.

All this is the same small group of people venting their spleens over and over and over again because they feel they need someone to be angry at and blame for what in reality is the result of a number of circumstances that have conspired over the years to bring us to where we are now. That one man is soley responsible for it is simplistic and ridiculous imo.
But people stop listening to them so they start to get more and more abusive in their posts towards JF, start attacking his family as if they're also responsible just by association (ie Sonik), and end up inventing complete crap and fueling bollox speculation just so people start to listen again.
Very loud behind a keyboard but funny how you never ever see these people popping up at fans' forums etc to echo the same points they make so (very) regularly on this board.


I am sure its a wind up but Sonik can give as good as he gets!
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Don't solicitors usually send out missives like this? Saves making potentially expensive mistakes. I suspect a hoax.


Mr McGee, don't make me angry. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry.



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i emailed john once and i posted his reply on here (i cant stress this enough i did obtain his permission to post his reply) and people said i didnt receive an email from him cos it was poorly spelt now you all believe me and ive got nowt to worry about cos i check the facts


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I am sure its a wind up but Sonik can give as good as he gets!


From the mods or someone else? Wouldn't the email have had to come from john@gtfc though?




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From the mods or someone else? Wouldn't the email have had to come from john@gtfc though?


Well lets put it this way - if it WAS genuine this will be the definitive low point!

It would be impossible to sink any lower than threatening fans who are venting their spleen at someone who has overseen such a spectacular fall from grace - and that is not allegedly either!
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Well lets put it this way - if it WAS genuine this will be the definitive low point!

It would be impossible to sink any lower than threatening fans who are venting their spleen at someone who has overseen such a spectacular fall from grace - and that is not allegedly either!


Careful now lew. One would hate to upset our beloved chairman for he has done much to improve our club. We have one of the best programmes in the non-league and the pitch is second to none. We should focus on these positives and forget the fact we have slid down the Football League and then out of it. Viva Mr Fenty!


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From now on any posts which libel Mr Fenty or any of the other GTFC board members will be removed. IP Addresses, names and e-mail addresses will be recorded and anyone who has been warned will be banned from the site. You may think you are hiding behind a made up name but you are not really.


Well done its about time some action was took myself I give my thoughts on mr Fenty with out abuse which I think is fair and also IMHO good letter from big John well said UTMM.


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Careful now lew. One would hate to upset our beloved chairman for he has done much to improve our club. We have one of the best programmes in the non-league and the pitch is second to none. We should focus on these positives and forget the fact we have slid down the Football League and then out of it. Viva Mr Fenty!


Is it a similar case to that Romanian dictator who didnt realize the people were against him till they were about to shoot him?

That not allegedly either by the way - just an observation!
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Is it a similar case to that Romanian dictator who didnt realize the people were against him till they were about to shoot him?

That not allegedly either by the way - just an observation!


I'd love to comment on this but I fear being sued.


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Burnsy was wrong then...GTFC runs the Fishy


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This is brilliant news, maybey this shite put on here about him will be no more.
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i emailed john once and i posted his reply on here (i cant stress this enough i did obtain his permission to post his reply) and people said i didnt receive an email from him cos it was poorly spelt now you all believe me and ive got nowt to worry about cos i check the facts



What did you e-mail him about?
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the whole point of the fishy is so fans can have their say and if some don't like him then he should just not get worked up over it, that email has changed my opinion of him, if he's gonna have a hissy fit over a few nasty comments then he belongs in primary school.
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the whole point of the fishy is so fans can have their say and if some don't like him then he should just not get worked up over it, that email has changed my opinion of him, if he's gonna have a hissy fit over a few nasty comments then he belongs in primary school.


Alongside the idiots making unfounded accusations about his motives etc. Where does it end? A lot of people have issues with the state of GTFC. The vast majority don't descend into the sort of personal abuse that a few think is acceptable in a civilised society. More power to Fenty's elbow.
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What did you e-mail him about?


about the catering


i am a season ticket holder and i always will be one  


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I'm not sure which posts are being referred to but I certainly think his daughter has grounds for complaint, there were some very non pc comments about her quite a while back. I would also think that Jf isn't threatening people who don't like him or the running of the club, it is more likely the odd comment that has been made without reasoning or evidence.
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Alongside the idiots making unfounded accusations about his motives etc.


yeah some are idiots just wanting to degrade him but others have some balanced opinions.
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This thread is bullshite


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Disappointing e-mail from John if I'm honest. I've a lot of time for the bloke, I know he is Town through and through but we are an utter shambles and I would have thought he could have rose above any nonsense on here.

He has put a lot of money in, money I don't have or I'd do the same. But the facts are we are a mid table NON LEAGUE club, it hurts me to type that and John has to (and to be fair, has) take some responsibility. I don't doubt he has the best interests of the club but the ground is crumbling, the facilities a disgrace. The catering is shocking (I tried to buy a twix to go with my 'hot chocolate aka drainwater last Saturday to be told there was no chocolate left - it's hardly short dated! No beer pumps in the main stand bar, crap cans). Amateur, urine poor and obviously short sighted cost cutting gone too far.

There have been issues with media outlets in the past (The Black and White Corner, Radio Humberside) where John has removed access to the players and the club when he hasn't agreed with what was being said. It's interesting how the Telegraph hasn't particularly asked difficult or searching questions for a number of years - perhaps because they have a symbiotic relationship with the club and don't want to rock the boat? (my opinion, I stand by it).

This latest episode does not sit easy with me at all.

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Having read JF comments a few times over i have to agree with him, we have unfortunately had a torrid time with him as Chairman however some of the rude and sicking comments you read on here are totally out of order !. We have all posted on here saying 10 years ago we was batting above our weight..... well yes we was so was Luton, Lincoln, Stockport, Cambridge to name a few in our league look a level above Bradford, Swindon, Plymouth to name a couple well i think Fenty, granted is to blame to some degree but needs to be praised for the way we have controlled our finances and have at least tried to improve things weather or not people agree with Johns decisions is there own choice i certainly dont agree with alot of the things he has done but it has to be noted the guy is Grimsby through and through and at least maybe some respect has to be shown to him
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Having read JF comments a few times over i have to agree with him, we have unfortunately had a torrid time with him as Chairman however some of the rude and sicking comments you read on here are totally out of order !. We have all posted on here saying 10 years ago we was batting above our weight..... well yes we was so was Luton, Lincoln, Stockport, Cambridge to name a few in our league look a level above Bradford, Swindon, Plymouth to name a couple well i think Fenty, granted is to blame to some degree but needs to be praised for the way we have controlled our finances and have at least tried to improve things weather or not people agree with Johns decisions is there own choice i certainly dont agree with alot of the things he has done but it has to be noted the guy is Grimsby through and through and at least maybe some respect has to be shown to him


Fair points but our finances are hardly under control! The club is losing almost 1 million a year. I understand we will lose the parachute payment from next year too, the youth grants gone? IMO we have to either accept we are a non league club and cut our cloth accordingly or we have to beg JF to keep pumping money into a great big hole. The new ground looks to be as far away as ever. Depressing stuff.


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If it is John Fenty who has emailed the fishy, why don't you try and fix some of the problems that you have ultimately caused. Not hard to do really.
For a man who has made over £20million pounds from albeit a family business you sure have ruined our great club.
Your a joke.
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[quote=75]Disappointing e-mail from John if I'm honest. I've a lot of time for the bloke, I know he is Town through and through but we are an utter shambles and I would have thought he could have rose above any nonsense on here.

The catering is shocking (I tried to buy a twix to go with my 'hot chocolate aka drainwater last Saturday to be told there was no chocolate left - it's hardly short dated! No beer pumps in the main stand bar, crap cans). Amateur, urine poor and obviously short sighted cost cutting gone too far.

I have to say that apart from Mcmenemy's the facilities are absolutely shite and the club should be ashamed. I remember using the main stand bar in the 70's and it was ok then, but i went in there with my brother last season against York and could not believe how poor it was. I expected to step back in time a bit but ffs it was almost victorian in there. For this I blame the people who run the club. It is without doubt pathetic


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It's easy to say rise above it but people do go too far here sometimes. He obviously isn't against criticism, he's had his fair share of it over the years and hasn't done this before.

Personally, I'm guessing that this has to do with some of the posts about his motives when it comes to selling BP and the new ground. Some of those were bordering on slander and there's no place for that sort of stuff on here.
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[quote=75]Disappointing e-mail from John if I'm honest. I've a lot of time for the bloke, I know he is Town through and through but we are an utter shambles and I would have thought he could have rose above any nonsense on here.

The catering is shocking (I tried to buy a twix to go with my 'hot chocolate aka drainwater last Saturday to be told there was no chocolate left - it's hardly short dated! No beer pumps in the main stand bar, crap cans). Amateur, urine poor and obviously short sighted cost cutting gone too far.

I have to say that apart from Mcmenemy's the facilities are absolutely shite and the club should be ashamed. I remember using the main stand bar in the 70's and it was ok then, but i went in there with my brother last season against York and could not believe how poor it was. I expected to step back in time a bit but ffs it was almost victorian in there. For this I blame the people who run the club. It is without doubt pathetic


Without doubt we have more to worry about than the lack of Mars bars and shite quality hot chocolate. Or warm canned beer but it is urine poor. The "Mariner's Kitchen" had a sign printed by Mad Harry's or some bloke off the market held on by blue tack. Got to say, it's the first time I've bothered getting a drink of a bite for years, the prices were shocking, the quality massively lacking but like I say, we've more important things to worry about. That said, is it a sign of what the clubs about nowadays?


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It's easy to say rise above it but people do go too far here sometimes. He obviously isn't against criticism, he's had his fair share of it over the years and hasn't done this before.

Personally, I'm guessing that this has to do with some of the posts about his motives when it comes to selling BP and the new ground. Some of those were bordering on slander and there's no place for that sort of stuff on here.


Yes that's exactly it. People slate JF left, right and centre all the time; I think that the highlighted is exactly what has drunk him off and fair enough really.


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Why can't he just ignore it like everybody else involved in football in the country or send a private message to the moderators? Unless you're a complete flipping idiot then you can see anybody suggesting he's getting rich from the money he has in Town is a half-wit. I don't think he has ulterior motives in his Chairmanship I just think he has done an abysmal job of running GTFC. Maybe he should display some humility and understand that people are angry about what has happened under his tenureship and sometimes a 'simpler' minority will spout balderdash on the internet. In the grand scheme of things who gives a intercourse what's written on The Fishy?
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Only just got on the fishy and have half read this thread, people saying its a hoax though I think are wrong. I'm nearly certain that someone has mentioned before that Fenty is dyslexic which is why he has a lot of spelling errors.


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For those suggesting Fenty should take responsibility and take the criticism for the direction the club has gone in:

He has clearly taken responsibility for this and to my mind can take the criticism too. It must be killing him that the club has sank so low during his chairmanship, but he knows he has done his best for the club. He's always worked hard and in what he's believed to be the best interests of the club. For this, he doesn't deserve the personal insults and wild suggestions of his motives or plans that seem to be made up on-the-spot to suit the individuals agenda.

Criticise all you want, that isn't what JF has written to Rob about.


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I am so sick of supporting this football club.



I'm worried that Fenty feels the same way.



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This entire thread is so embarrasing a facepalm doesn't do it justice.  

My advice is to say what you like but be careful not to make potentially libellous accusations and don't believe everything you read.

I've noticed lots of people get very passionate, wound up and abusive, but does it ever improve things ?
At the end of the day there's not much you can do about it...

Everyone just chill out.  

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For those suggesting Fenty should take responsibility and take the criticism for the direction the club has gone in:

He has clearly taken responsibility for this and to my mind can take the criticism too. It must be killing him that the club has sank so low during his chairmanship, but he knows he has done his best for the club. He's always worked hard and in what he's believed to be the best interests of the club. For this, he doesn't deserve the personal insults and wild suggestions of his motives or plans that seem to be made up on-the-spot to suit the individuals agenda.

Criticise all you want, that isn't what JF has written to Rob about.


Nail, head.
Now, hopefully Rob has removed the offending posts so the posters that have caused this email to happen will cease. As I pointed out a couple of days ago, you can't post made up insulting garbage with impunity. Take some responsibility.


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Do you think Fenty has seen his bottom because he keeps getting voted TOTW each week?


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Nail, head.
Now, hopefully Rob has removed the offending posts so the posters that have caused this email to happen will cease. As I pointed out a couple of days ago, you can't post made up insulting garbage with impunity. Take some responsibility.


Its about time the mods took responsibility for this not just GrimRob then this wouldnt have got this far down the line as it has but its a case when it goes pear shape just pass the book
Then instead of joining in do the job youre here for youve been quick to delete posts in the past so do it now if/when needed


                                                          

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Its about time the mods took responsibility for this not just GrimRob then this wouldnt have got this far down the line as it has but its a case when it goes pear shape just pass the book
Then instead of joining in do the job youre here for youve been quick to delete posts in the past so do it now if/when needed


tbh i actually agree here, i have had loads of posts deleted and one of them said that mariners player is shocking and it got deleted and the amount of people on here who actually backed me up was outstanding. i think they treat the people who has been here for longer diffrently than the newer ones and its not fair it has to stop!


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Just imagine the boot was on the other foot and all this personal criticism of you was put on a web site. Then some people started posting made up stories about you. How he puts up with all this abuse is beyond me.


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Its about time the mods took responsibility for this not just GrimRob then this wouldnt have got this far down the line as it has but its a case when it goes pear shape just pass the book
Then instead of joining in do the job youre here for youve been quick to delete posts in the past so do it now if/when needed

I'm not just here to moderate! I was a regular payer for years and I will be all the time the fishy is around.
Obviously we've missed some things that jf has been incensed by. Our apologies go out to him. If you think that we have the time or inclination to babysit this site 24/7 you're sally mistaken. We do what we can, we use our judgement and if we miss things we as a group of moderators hold our hands up and say sorry. Now, those that spend a lot of time in here could also act as mods and raise contentious posts with us and we could look at them when time allows.
If you, Tony, have an issue with the way I've posted in the past, in threads that you've been involved in or the way I asked you to remove that pic from your signature, you should also think about what your actions have made others feel.  Not particularly libellous but certainly deeply offensive. There has to be some degree of responsibility from everyone on here. Rob could certainly lock this forum down tighter than a ducks chuff, Football365 insist on a work or education establishment email address to even register, and that site is moderated beyond belief. I'm pretty sure a lot of people in here wouldn't want that, as it would decimate the membership and removes anonymity completely. Let's go forward with a larger sense of responsibility and not lose this great asset we have.
(Oh and it's pass the buck, not book.)


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I'm not just here to moderate! I was a regular payer for years and I will be all the time the fishy is around.
Obviously we've missed some things that jf has been incensed by. Our apologies go out to him. If you think that we have the time or inclination to babysit this site 24/7 you're sally mistaken. We do what we can, we use our judgement and if we miss things we as a group of moderators hold our hands up and say sorry. Now, those that spend a lot of time in here could also act as mods and raise contentious posts with us and we could look at them when time allows.
If you, Tony, have an issue with the way I've posted in the past, in threads that you've been involved in or the way I asked you to remove that pic from your signature, you should also think about what your actions have made others feel.  Not particularly libellous but certainly deeply offensive. There has to be some degree of responsibility from everyone on here. Rob could certainly lock this forum down tighter than a ducks chuff, Football365 insist on a work or education establishment email address to even register, and that site is moderated beyond belief. I'm pretty sure a lot of people in here wouldn't want that, as it would decimate the membership and removes anonymity completely. Let's go forward with a larger sense of responsibility and not lose this great asset we have.
(Oh and it's pass the buck, not book.)


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Dear John Fenty.

I think you have tried your best but clearly, from overwhelming historical evidence running a football club is not your forté.
The Fenty association with GTFC is not all negative though, I think Fiona does a sterling job in her ticket sales/club shop role.
In fact, like your master stroke of elevating Neil Woods from children's coach to first team relegation from the football league manager, why not give Fiona the chairman's role?
Personally, I used to watch GTFC between 30-35 times a season from being a young boy up until our last L2 game at Burton, since then, I have attended three games.
I hold you (and others) responsible for destroying a love affair I've had with Grimsby Town since 1972 which has seen me visiting 86 league grounds as well as travelling to Ibiza, a Devon tournament and various other pre-season venues.
I'm sure you're a wonderful person and a passionate fan of GTFC but there is overwhelming evidence that your association with the club has been a disaster.
I have sadly become part of the 'missing 2000' fans and until your link with the club has been severed, I doubt if I'll return.
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Is financial baking something to do with making money in the oven?

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I think the term is cooking the books!!!!!


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i think it is fair to say  that we do have a club at the moment because john fenty  has put his money in the club, and  i thank him for that,,it may also be the case that we dont in the futuer because he wont any more.i wont thank him for that,,  There is no one out there that wants to put money into a sinking ship,, we cant keep hoping that there is , we have to face things as they are , i think personally  that he is a controll freak  and he will try to controll what is posted on this board if he can aswell,  and can anyone tell me what affect the supporters trust can do to help things when they clearly dont have cash to put on the table .. words alone wont buy players or get a new ground ??
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You can dress it up and start nit picking about all this by u did this that or the other it still doesnt address that you havent doing the job given to you and in doing nothing its lowered the people's expectations of the fishy and will/has  put off people posting on it.
GrimRob does admit about it all being left and nothing done but as usual others cant admit to their own mistakes


                                                          

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From now on any posts which libel Mr Fenty or any of the other GTFC board members will be removed. IP Addresses, names and e-mail addresses will be recorded and anyone who has been warned will be banned from the site. You may think you are hiding behind a made up name but you are not really.


well done,,and not before time!i refer you to my thread made yesterday


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You can dress it up and start nit picking about all this by u did this that or the other it still doesnt address that you havent doing the job given to you and in doing nothing its lowered the people's expectations of the fishy and will/has  put off people posting on it.
GrimRob does admit about it all being left and nothing done but as usual others cant admit to their own mistakes


At the risk of "biting", you have absolutely no idea how many posts have been removed or edited by us so you're talking out of you're hat.


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well done,,and not before time!i refer you to my thread made yesterday


Well done Flash mate but all this will be done for say a couple of days then the slippery slope will start again by them letting people posting what they want and doing NOTHING about it or even join in like they have done in the past


                                                          

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I think people are missing the point of his email somewhat. He's not kicking up a fuss at people having a go at him, in fact he admits that he's failed in there. It is people suggesting that he is trying to con the club that he takes offence to because there's absolutely no reason to believe that he is looking to take his loans back. At the end of the day, say he's failed - because it's true - but don't try to tarnish his name by giving him constant abuse.

Some people on here need to get a life, he worked hard to get the kind of money most of us could only dream of and what did he do with it? Put it into the club we all love. It's easy to say that you'd do the same, but is it worth keeping a club going to get so much abuse from a small section of the fans?
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I think a few people on here are getting carried away. There was only around 20 people who contributed to the posts any way - hardly a sample of Town fans opinions. I suggest that some people on here take themselves too seriously. Its just YOUR opinion ffs


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If contributors are still allowed to have an opinion - fine, however if we're only allowed to tow the party line then you might as well close down The Fishy.
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Quoted from The Grim Reaper
I think a few people on here are getting carried away. There was only around 20 people who contributed to the posts any way - hardly a sample of Town fans opinions. I suggest that some people on here take themselves too seriously. Its just YOUR opinion ffs


Fair point. And I can see how JF would be upset at some posts but I'm disappointed he doesn't just ignore them and there does seem to be an element of media control here - something we have seen before.

The stupid posts are generally made by stupid people who do well to boot up their PC so I wouldn't worry about them.


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Hmm.

Unfortunately the Fishy has for a number of reasons lost some of its best posters over the last year or so and has also become much more vitriolic. It used to be that posters didn't take themselves too seriously and there was a lot of light hearted banter. Despite what people think football is still only a game, and other things are more important.

I do think John has made mistakes in getting us to this position but you cannot fault his love for the club or the amount of financial backing he has put in. Put it another way a £800,000 loss equates to subsidising each match day ticket by about £10.

Would we be in a better position if John had not bankrolled the club for the last 10 years. Its anybodys guess, but we are where we are. The only way forward if no one else is prepared to put money in is with John Fenty remaining as Chairman. Lets hope our fortunes change. We have young managers building a young team and they need time to get it right.

  

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Utterly unnecessary from Fenty - as is usually the case with his public statements.

It says a lot about the club and the man himself that he cannot rise above such childish internet drivel and feels the need to take such a threatening and heavy-handed approach.

People on here talk about the potential death of GTFC but as far as I am concerned that has already happened.  I still support them (I'll be there tomorrow) but the fire and passion has been wiped away by the misery of the last ten years.  Rightly or wrongly, I blame JF for that, and I for one hope the man never gets near the chairmanship again.

Feel free to pass that on to John, Rob.


Its one thing to blame him even if other things over the years may have had some bearing, however its totally wrong to abuse JF to the extent of some of the keyboard warriers on here

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Its one thing to blame him even if other things over the years may have had some bearing, however its totally wrong to abuse JF to the extent of some of the keyboard warriers on here



Personal abuse is undeniably wrong and out of order but criticism of his leadership (and I use that term lightly) is totally justified....all my opinion of course


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to many posters on here who can dish it out but ,, when the boots on the other foot its a differant story
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I think people are missing the point of his email somewhat. He's not kicking up a fuss at people having a go at him, in fact he admits that he's failed in there. It is people suggesting that he is trying to con the club that he takes offence to because there's absolutely no reason to believe that he is looking to take his loans back. At the end of the day, say he's failed - because it's true - but don't try to tarnish his name by giving him constant abuse.

Some people on here need to get a life, he worked hard to get the kind of money most of us could only dream of and what did he do with it? Put it into the club we all love. It's easy to say that you'd do the same, but is it worth keeping a club going to get so much abuse from a small section of the fans?


I was going to post some thoughts here, but this post said everything I'm thinking. If John Fenty ends his financial support of Grimsby Town we will probably end up as a part time club and that will be the end of any aspiration to return to what we all still believe is our rightful place in the football league. Reading between the lines of his post, I honestly think he's contemplating this. I know I would be, and I love Grimsby Town as much as any of you.
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I was going to post some thoughts here, but this post said everything I'm thinking. If John Fenty ends his financial support of Grimsby Town we will probably end up as a part time club and that will be the end of any aspiration to return to what we all still believe is our rightful place in the football league. Reading between the lines of his post, I honestly think he's contemplating this. I know I would be, and I love Grimsby Town as much as any of you.


But what good has that financial support done?

We would have to cut our cloth,and manage perfectly well like all the other well run clubs have on lower gates who have overtaken us.

We cant be held to ransom for ever because of one mans money surely?
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But what good has that financial support done?

We would have to cut our cloth,and manage perfectly well like all the other well run clubs have on lower gates who have overtaken us.

We cant be held to ransom for ever because of one mans money surely?

  
There's only one man who knows the answer to that one!

He who cannot be named!


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How do you get up from an all time low?

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Can I categorically state that Voldemort has absolutely nothing to do with Towns finances.

He's more a PR man.


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  In hindsight you might be right, but all any chairman can do is appoint a manager and support him with the funds to do his job. Personally, I would much prefer Town to compete with a budget that gives them a chance of challenging for promotion, wouldn't you?
    The most disastrous managerial appointment John Fenty made was Mike Newell, and that appointment was greeted with enthusiasm and excitement on here. None of us can see the future, we can only do our best.
   In my opinion, the other two real mistakes that he made were to penny pinch on Russell Slade's salary at just the wrong time and to sack Neil Woods as he was in the middle of putting together a team that would have been a real challenger this season with a couple of key summer acquisitions. Instead, we ended up assembling yet another brand new squad with another new management team which may or may not pay off in the end if given the time to find out. But John Fenty is just as much of a Grimsby Town fan as any of us and the personal abuse and sarcasm he has to take on here is simply ridiculous. It's the Nick Colgan/Peter Bore syndrome all over again except that this is much more serious as the entire future of our team is a stake.
       I just think people need to think far more carefully before they post.
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I'm a bit concerned.

If I nominated anybody in a popular weekly Fishy thread for being a tw@t, Would that be considered:

A. Libel
B. A bit unpleasent/rude/abusive.
C. A bit of fun. (That I'm sure the thread is meant to be.)
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  In hindsight you might be right, but all any chairman can do is appoint a manager and support him with the funds to do his job. Personally, I would much prefer Town to compete with a budget that gives them a chance of challenging for promotion, wouldn't you?
    The most disastrous managerial appointment John Fenty made was Mike Newell, and that appointment was greeted with enthusiasm and excitement on here. None of us can see the future, we can only do our best.
   In my opinion, the other two real mistakes that he made were to penny pinch on Russell Slade's salary at just the wrong time and to sack Neil Woods as he was in the middle of putting together a team that would have been a real challenger this season with a couple of key summer acquisitions. Instead, we ended up assembling yet another brand new squad with another new management team which may or may not pay off in the end if given the time to find out. But John Fenty is just as much of a Grimsby Town fan as any of us and the personal abuse and sarcasm he has to take on here is simply ridiculous. It's the Nick Colgan/Peter Bore syndrome all over again except that this is much more serious as the entire future of our team is a stake.
       I just think people need to think far more carefully before they post.



Well said, I agree with that.



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Is Mr Fenty open to constructive criticism and what are the implications for those who do give abuse please?



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Is Mr Fenty open to constructive criticism and what are the implications for those who do give abuse please?


Of choose he is, it's the made up "facts"he has objected to as well as the personal abuse. Posts will be removed if appropriate and the offending member warned, then banned if there are further instances.


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Is Mr Fenty open to constructive criticism and what are the implications for those who do give abuse please?


The mods totally ignore whats been said and will join in to keep in with the crowd


                                                          

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The mods totally ignore whats been said and will join in to keep in with the crowd


Really? You've not mentioned it. Perhaps you should point this out?


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The thing is some posters on here post utter drivel, but at the end of their day its there opinion.

You only have to go to game and listen to some of the utter s.hit people shout at the games, some of them are no doubt on here, its best just to ignore them and carry on as its only small section.

Although he has to take some if not most of the responsibility for the state of the club, I do feel for John as we all know he's Town through and through.

Anyway UTM, and keep the faith.
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I am so sick of supporting this football club.


Are you allowed to say that
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The most disastrous managerial appointment John Fenty made was Mike Newell,


They've all been disastrous !!!   What about Graham Rodger, Nicky Law, Paul Groves !!!   Absolute poo !



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They've all been disastrous !!!   What about Graham Rodger, Nicky Law, Paul Groves !!!   Absolute poo !



I think JF was on the board when Grovesy was appointed but I may be wrong. Anyway, Groves had no chance at all - I know the ITV Digital thing is trotted out even now but it was a reason, not an excuse for our lack of being able to compete at all at Championship level. The ongoing wage commitments the season after (at least) did mean we had to give our players away (and I suspect pay some off to leave) which meant division 4 was always likely.

Come to think of it, Nicky Law too? Not sure if JF appointed him. Course, he would argue it was a board decision.


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The fishy no longer runs gtfc looks like fenty as even stopped that


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The fishy no longer runs gtfc looks like fenty as even stopped that
Aren't you scared of fireworks ?



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The fishy no longer runs gtfc looks like fenty as even stopped that


Erm, can I say messed hes The Fishy up now as well?
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Aren't you scared of fireworks ?



Im indoors


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Erm, can I say messed hes The Fishy up now as well?


Being a cat he cant sue me.  Can he ?


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Oh dear, this has turned the clock back a few years.

However, as the "alledged" libellous threads have been removed, comment upon them can no longer be viewed as a balanced argument. As a subscriber, I will now need to research if that is against my Human Rights.


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I think a lot of people have jumped to conclusions here. I've no doubt I'll get shouted down but I am typing this from neither a pro nor an anti fenty viewpoint. I just think people need to be more objective and look at these few points.

Firstly, the original email was from John to Rob, it was not an open letter to users of the fishy. The fact that Rob chose to copy and paste the email rather than summarise it in a post was Rob's decision and isn't fenty "throwing his toys out" as mentioned earlier in this thread.

Secondly, I think a lot of you have confused criticism (and even abuse) with liable/slander. John has admitted that things haven't been rosy (a large understatement IMO) and doesn't object to this. He objects to scurrilous rumours and untruths that have been posted. For instance it would be quite acceptable to say "fenty is a rich man with a pretty daughter who's tenure as chairman coincided with the club's demise to non-league football" all of these can be backed up with evidence. You can't however say something like (and I hasten to add I'm using this as an example) "John is the franchisee of the McDonalds outside BP and thus keeps the catering inside BP low-rate" this cannot be backed up by any form of evidence.

Lastly, the mods have been asked to remove libelous messages, this does not get rid of our freedom of speech but merely keeps Rob from being sued and this forum and website being shut down.

Sorry to rant on but I think a lot of you need to look at things objectively before spouting off.


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Is it slander to say fenty is the worst chairman in our history and im told he doesnt like cats errrrmmm


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Is it slander to say fenty is the worst chairman in our history


You'd have to back that up with some evidence. I would suggest league placings would be a good place to start.

But it would depend on what else one would constitute being a "good" chairman is


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I think a lot of people have jumped to conclusions here. I've no doubt I'll get shouted down but I am typing this from neither a pro nor an anti fenty viewpoint. I just think people need to be more objective and look at these few points.

Firstly, the original email was from John to Rob, it was not an open letter to users of the fishy. The fact that Rob chose to copy and paste the email rather than summarise it in a post was Rob's decision and isn't fenty "throwing his toys out" as mentioned earlier in this thread.

Secondly, I think a lot of you have confused criticism (and even abuse) with liable/slander. John has admitted that things haven't been rosy (a large understatement IMO) and doesn't object to this. He objects to scurrilous rumours and untruths that have been posted. For instance it would be quite acceptable to say "fenty is a rich man with a pretty daughter who's tenure as chairman coincided with the club's demise to non-league football" all of these can be backed up with evidence. You can't however say something like (and I hasten to add I'm using this as an example) "John is the franchisee of the McDonalds outside BP and thus keeps the catering inside BP low-rate" this cannot be backed up by any form of evidence.

Lastly, the mods have been asked to remove libelous messages, this does not get rid of our freedom of speech but merely keeps Rob from being sued and this forum and website being shut down.

Sorry to rant on but I think a lot of you need to look at things objectively before spouting off.


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How many shareholders in a business in the real world would allow the CEO, MD, Chairman to behave in the way John Fenty has?

Awful record on recruitment, wasted money all over the place & PR that can only be compared to that of Gerald Ratner.

John, stay away from all forms of media, including messageboards. That way you may be able to concentrate on finding a rudder to steer OUR battered wreck of a club back into calmer waters.


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[quote=93]How many shareholders in a business in the real world would allow the CEO, MD, Chairman to behave in the way John Fenty has?

Awful record on recruitment, wasted money all over the place & PR that can only be compared to that of Gerald Ratner.

John, stay away from all forms of media, including messageboards. That way you may be able to concentrate on finding a rudder to steer OUR battered wreck of a club back into calmer waters.
[/quote
   Im not a good swimmer but are you sort of saying fenty moored the boat on a sandbank and damaged it badly


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ERRR SO IS THIS THE END OF twit OF THE WEEK?????????
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Im so glad im a cat and cos the end of free speech doesnt
Effect me and probably the end of the fishy as we know it meeeeoowww


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Im so glad im a cat and cos the end of free speech doesnt
Effect me and probably the end of the fishy as we know it meeeeoowww


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Regards the statement, I have always thought we were lucky to have Fenty, he has though proved useless at choosing a manager, some truly awful decisions.

However I do think his statement is completely OTT, are we sure it's from him, was he sober when he wrote it?  The latter is a serious question.  I ask as the spelling is truly awful.  As a man in power etc I cannot believe more care is not taken,  I also can't believe he does not get better advice than to write communications like this.  

Never mind at least in future criticism, if its allowed, may be more constructive!!!
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Im so glad im a cat and cos the end of free speech doesnt
Effect me and probably the end of the fishy as we know it meeeeoowww


hope you have been okay tonight with the loud bangs and all, mine get very scared, there there puss puss
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Reading this thread there is much confusion about what you are now allowed to post. The simple matter is if it is an opinion you can post it even if it is very critical (e.g. John Fenty has been a poor chairman). But you can't post something which isn't true (e.g. John Fenty is a major shareholder in Scunthorpe United football club).

This might help (my italics): Libel is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image


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Is this letter really sent from John?

I would of thought the grammar and spelling would of been top notch.
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so rob please clarify how twit of the week won't be banned then!!

The statement that an individual is a twit surely gives a negative image!!!
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Reading this thread there is much confusion about what you are now allowed to post. The simple matter is if it is an opinion you can post it even if it is very critical (e.g. John Fenty has been a poor chairman). But you can't post something which isn't true (e.g. John Fenty is a major shareholder in Scunthorpe United football club).

This might help (my italics): Libel is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image


So basically you can put whatever you like and then add in my opinion at the end to make it fine?


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so rob please clarify how twit of the week won't be banned then!!

The statement that an individual is a twit surely gives a negative image!!!


Lots of law suits then many have voted him twit of the week and yes i hate fireworks


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so rob please clarify how twit of the week won't be banned then!!

The statement that an individual is a twit surely gives a negative image!!!


I'm still nominating him.
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I think a lot of people have jumped to conclusions here. I've no doubt I'll get shouted down but I am typing this from neither a pro nor an anti fenty viewpoint. I just think people need to be more objective and look at these few points.

Firstly, the original email was from John to Rob, it was not an open letter to users of the fishy. The fact that Rob chose to copy and paste the email rather than summarise it in a post was Rob's decision and isn't fenty "throwing his toys out" as mentioned earlier in this thread.

Secondly, I think a lot of you have confused criticism (and even abuse) with liable/slander. John has admitted that things haven't been rosy (a large understatement IMO) and doesn't object to this. He objects to scurrilous rumours and untruths that have been posted. For instance it would be quite acceptable to say "fenty is a rich man with a pretty daughter who's tenure as chairman coincided with the club's demise to non-league football" all of these can be backed up with evidence. You can't however say something like (and I hasten to add I'm using this as an example) "John is the franchisee of the McDonalds outside BP and thus keeps the catering inside BP low-rate" this cannot be backed up by any form of evidence.

Lastly, the mods have been asked to remove libelous messages, this does not get rid of our freedom of speech but merely keeps Rob from being sued and this forum and website being shut down.

Sorry to rant on but I think a lot of you need to look at things objectively before spouting off.

Have to say I agree.

Think we're in danger of leaping from an issue of irresponsible claims with potential legal implications to a subjective grey area and slippery slope of what's "morally acceptable", just because people can't accept it or bring themselves to turn the other cheek or ignor it.

My opinion on the issue very loosely relates to Brian Clough's thoughts in this interview (from 3:16):



I do get bored of reading the endless swearing, moaning and "abuse" (how is that defined?) myself, but at the end of the day surely it's people's right, and surrender that at your own peril.
You've also got to ask is the forum for JF's benefit or for all GTFC supporters to have their freedom of speech.  

Ultimately up to the website owners to decide yes but if it's a case of "If you don't ****** like it dont come" then think we'll all wonder if it's a case of "only post if you're willing to agree and tow the party line".
If it should come to that maybe I'll just post on the OS without being lectured about right and wrong or having to think too much about what I should say, think or do.

But I'm hopeful maybe we can ALL vounteer(not be told) to show a bit more respect and goodwill to each other to create a more enjoyable FOOTBALL (remember that?) discussion community. I'm sure we'd all enjoy our time a lot more ?

I do feel it might help the community as a whole if everyone (through our own choice), occasionally restrained their INSTINCT to rant or slag off others.
Not saying people shouldn't criticize or show anger, passion or vent their spleen but I get the impresssion some lose their rag far too often and want a reason to do it with every opportunity they get.
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I think some people are missing the point here (or, I suspect, choosing to miss the point).  Fenty was Chairman for around 8 yrs and had been on or around the board for a few years before that.  During that time he has been consistently criticised on this board but has never resorted to making this kind of statement.

The reason he has is because some people have quite clearly crossed the line - the originator of the thread about the value of BP (and a number of contributers) seemed to quite clearly question his motives and infer that JF intended to, at best, recoup his loans and, at worst, make a tidy personal profit in a move to a new stadium.  This was done with no more evidence than a newspaper report.

This board is the public domain in just the same way as the broadcast media and the law applies to you as much as anyone else!  Criticism is fine but libel is not.

Having said that, I really think Fenty needs either to employ someone or use someone he trusts to not only proof read everything he puts into the public domain but also to give an honest opinion of the content!  There is nothing to be ashamed about being dyslexic but it leaves you open to the ridicule I've read on this and Grim Outlook from some people who really should know better.
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Seems all a bit silly to me threatening legal action,the best course of action would have been to ignore it.
By doing this he's anly adding fuel to the fire.

Saying that all of us at Lincoln think he's done a magnificent job and hope he continues to carry on.

Our CEO does not take any notice of the drivel on the net and ignores it and just gets on with his job.
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so rob please clarify how twit of the week won't be banned then!!

The statement that an individual is a twit surely gives a negative image!!!


TOTW is fine because it's an opinion not factual


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So basically you can put whatever you like and then add in my opinion at the end to make it fine?


Not if it's an implied fact, e.g. John Fenty bought a round in the pub last night, in my opinion.


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TOTW is fine because it's an opinion not factual


your gonna have fun with that one I'm sure!  Hope you have added a full time solicitor as a moderator!
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I think a lot of people have jumped to conclusions here. I've no doubt I'll get shouted down but I am typing this from neither a pro nor an anti fenty viewpoint. I just think people need to be more objective and look at these few points.

Firstly, the original email was from John to Rob, it was not an open letter to users of the fishy. The fact that Rob chose to copy and paste the email rather than summarise it in a post was Rob's decision and isn't fenty "throwing his toys out" as mentioned earlier in this thread.

Secondly, I think a lot of you have confused criticism (and even abuse) with liable/slander. John has admitted that things haven't been rosy (a large understatement IMO) and doesn't object to this. He objects to scurrilous rumours and untruths that have been posted. For instance it would be quite acceptable to say "fenty is a rich man with a pretty daughter who's tenure as chairman coincided with the club's demise to non-league football" all of these can be backed up with evidence. You can't however say something like (and I hasten to add I'm using this as an example) "John is the franchisee of the McDonalds outside BP and thus keeps the catering inside BP low-rate" this cannot be backed up by any form of evidence.

Lastly, the mods have been asked to remove libelous messages, this does not get rid of our freedom of speech but merely keeps Rob from being sued and this forum and website being shut down.

Sorry to rant on but I think a lot of you need to look at things objectively before spouting off.


"I am happy for you to post this email"

Not the words of someone sending a private email.  Fenty knew exactly what would happen to his email.

As I said above, it is a very small number of posters who have got anywhere near being libellous and they could have been individually warned by the mods, who could also have reset the perameters of what is and is not acceptable use of language through a statement of their own.  All of which would have avoided this rather unnecessary public threat of legal action etc.

I assume when you say people are 'spouting off' you mean 'presenting a view I don't agree with'.  Is this view any less objective than yours? I am happy to proclaim myself as anti-Fenty but would like to think that I can also comment on indiviual events, such as this, with a degree of rational thought.

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TOTW is fine because it's an opinion not factual

Surely Martin Butler is a complete and utter twit, something for which there is plenty of evidence. When does opinion become fact?


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During the last few seasons we have been total crap and lost our league status and now lose regulary to teams who get 300 or less home gate is that fact or opinion,im off to curl up now on the sofa


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During the last few seasons we have been total crap and lost our league status and now lose regulary to teams who get 300 or less home gate is that fact or opinion,im off to curl up now on the sofa


It's a fact and it's actually wrong. When did we last lose to a team who gets less than 300 home gate?


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It's a fact and it's actually wrong. When did we last lose to a team who gets less than 300 home gate?


Will the fishy being taking proceedings against me? I own a collar and a bowl and braintree that hotbed of football


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"I am happy for you to post this email"

Not the words of someone sending a private email.  Fenty knew exactly what would happen to his email.

As I said above, it is a very small number of posters who have got anywhere near being libellous and they could have been individually warned by the mods, who could also have reset the perameters of what is and is not acceptable use of language through a statement of their own.  All of which would have avoided this rather unnecessary public threat of legal action etc.

I assume when you say people are 'spouting off' you mean 'presenting a view I don't agree with'.  Is this view any less objective than yours? I am happy to proclaim myself as anti-Fenty but would like to think that I can also comment on indiviual events, such as this, with a degree of rational thought.



By spouting off I mean opening their mouths (or in this case keyboard) without thinking about what they're saying/typing - as you put it rational thought.

I said at the start of my post that I knew I'd get shot down for saying it, I said that because as humans our opinions differ on a vast number of subjects, I am fortunate to have a modicum of intelligence so appreciate other's views whether I agree with them or not. I don't however feel it is right to slander people - reading your previous posts you seem like you're in the same boat as me, not necessarily from our viewpoints regarding the club but certainly in being able to listen to other's opinions without resorting to petty name calling.

Hope this clears this up for you

Rob


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Will the fishy being taking proceedings against me? I own a collar and a bowl and braintree that hotbed of football


Not exactly 'regularly' though? I'll see you in court Felix !!


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I think we need clarification of what can and can't be said about Fenty.

I have looked up Libel in a dictionary and it is defined as follows:

anything that is defamatory or that maliciously or damagingly misrepresents.

Basically, a statement can only be libelous if it can be proved beyond doubt to be untrue in court.

With this in mind can I say without fear of writ that John Fenty has proven himself to be a vuseless Chairman of Grimsby Town FC and the blame for our dropping out of the league rests squarely at his feet. I can only guess that making money in the Fish processing industry is easy because his running of GTFC, the continuing huge financial losses and it's huge debt indicate he has very little business sense.
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I think we need clarification of what can and can't be said about Fenty.

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The libelous stuff is saying/suggesting/alluding that Fenty has been commiting some sort of con and plans to benefit from the clubs downfall as this isn't fact but people thinking they are some sort of Derren Brown figure who know what Fenty's thoughts and ambitions are and then relay them on here. As I see it the real problem most people have is mistaking Fenty being unsuccessful as the chairman of the football club with Fenty being some sort of liar so when he says that the loans he has put into the club are "benign" they read it as exactly the opposite with bells on.


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Not exactly 'regularly' though? I'll see you in court Felix !!


Im regular as clockwork in next doors garden


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I think that this is all a bit embarrassing for Fenty.



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The libelous stuff is saying/suggesting/alluding that Fenty has been commiting some sort of con and plans to benefit from the clubs downfall as this isn't fact but people thinking they are some sort of Derren Brown figure who know what Fenty's thoughts and ambitions are and then relay them on here. As I see it the real problem most people have is mistaking Fenty being unsuccessful as the chairman of the football club with Fenty being some sort of liar so when he says that the loans he has put into the club are "benign" they read it as exactly the opposite with bells on.


The problem is Fenty and certain people don't seem to understand what benign actually means. It means favourable, mild, gentle and/or non-threatening. Has Fenty's £2 million or so of loans in the club been any of that? Just because Fenty's says we wouldn't demand repayment in a way that would risk the existance of the club doesn't make his debt "benign".

Grimsby Town FC's huge "benign" debts and continuing losses have caused Barclay's to convert a £500,000 overdraft into a loan repayable over 5 years. A huge amount for a business which spent 113% of turnover last financial year on Staff costs alone and lost almost £1,000,000 in the process.

Fenty's past "benign" debts to Five Star Fish have meant that the club has had to contribute £537,500 to pension payments and still has to find another £112,500 when the club is in real terms insolvent. This has had a direct and negative impact on the clubs profit and loss accounts- which were bad enough as it was.

Potential investors look at Profit and Loss and debt when looking at a business. Do you think anyone with any sense would invest in our club at present?

Is this huge debt and it consequences on the business really "benign"?
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I think some people are missing the point here (or, I suspect, choosing to miss the point).  Fenty was Chairman for around 8 yrs and had been on or around the board for a few years before that.  During that time he has been consistently criticised on this board but has never resorted to making this kind of statement.

The reason he has is because some people have quite clearly crossed the line - the originator of the thread about the value of BP (and a number of contributers) seemed to quite clearly question his motives and infer that JF intended to, at best, recoup his loans and, at worst, make a tidy personal profit in a move to a new stadium.  This was done with no more evidence than a newspaper report.

This board is the public domain in just the same way as the broadcast media and the law applies to you as much as anyone else!  Criticism is fine but libel is not.

Having said that, I really think Fenty needs either to employ someone or use someone he trusts to not only proof read everything he puts into the public domain but also to give an honest opinion of the content!  There is nothing to be ashamed about being dyslexic but it leaves you open to the ridicule I've read on this and Grim Outlook from some people who really should know better.


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The problem is Fenty and certain people don't seem to understand what benign actually means. It means favourable, mild, gentle and/or non-threatening. Has Fenty's £2 million or so of loans in the club been any of that? Just because Fenty's says we wouldn't demand repayment in a way that would risk the existance of the club doesn't make his debt "benign".

Grimsby Town FC's huge "benign" debts and continuing losses have caused Barclay's to convert a £500,000 overdraft into a loan repayable over 5 years. A huge amount for a business which spent 113% of turnover last financial year on Staff costs alone and lost almost £1,000,000 in the process.

Fenty's past "benign" debts to Five Star Fish have meant that the club has had to contribute £537,500 to pension payments and still has to find another £112,500 when the club is in real terms insolvent. This has had a direct and negative impact on the clubs profit and loss accounts- which were bad enough as it was.

Potential investors look at Profit and Loss and debt when looking at a business. Do you think anyone with any sense would invest in our club at present?

Is this huge debt and it consequences on the business really "benign"?


When any loans are secured on the ground then as a football fan you have to be worried.
Scrap the loans and free the club!


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WHS.  


Do you Fentys really sit of an evening wondering what Town fans have the temerity to question John Fentys motives?

Shouldnt he be putting all his energies into writing an apology to us fans,the true heart of GTFC, for the almighty member ups that have led us to this position?

When he has done that perhaps he would be kind enough to let us know how he intends to make a positive difference to our fortunes.

If he wont / cant then perhaps it would be better if we take our chances without him - it might galvanise the club to find some pride and fighting spirit again.
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This was the post I made on the thread that John Fenty objected to.

It is not libelous (a kind solicitor who is a Town fan has backed up my opinion in an unsolicited email to me).

**** Mod - REMOVED (sorry the word of your "friend" is not good enough ****
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I think some people are missing the point here (or, I suspect, choosing to miss the point).

If you're referring to me, I haven't missed the point at all.

Fenty and libel is one thing but I'm talking about posters like you who seemingly show very little interest(if any) in the football and seem to spend all their time trying to take the moral highground lecturing others about what they should be saying, what they should be thinking etc etc (IMO)

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some people who really should know better.

I rest my case !  
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When any loans are secured on the ground then as a football fan you have to be worried.
Scrap the loans and free the club!


and what can YOU  gaurantee will happen then
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**** Mod - REMOVED (sorry the word of your "friend" is not good enough ****


What was liabelous (sic) about that?
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What was liabelous (sic) about that?


In my opinion, it was allegedly liable to be libel. It doesn't seize (sic) to amaze me that you couldn't see it.
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dare i ask what was suggested/implied ? no detail needed just the general gist will do


thank god that's over we are now football league
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Is this letter really sent from John?

I would of thought the grammar and spelling would of been top notch.
have not of

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Read this thread from start to finish and have no clue what on earth the point of it is?I conclude that every time Mr Fenty sends out a message another little piece of my heart for GTFC dies and i suspect im not alone but whatever the FACT remains he is without doubt the worst Chairman we have ever had.
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Read this thread from start to finish and have no clue what on earth the point of it is?I conclude that every time Mr Fenty sends out a message another little piece of my heart for GTFC dies and i suspect im not alone but whatever the FACT remains he is without doubt the worst Chairman we have ever had.


ahh is it fact hes the worst chairman    i tell you what though mickey i agree with you 100% im losing interest in the only football club i trully love and will ever love because of the comic capers that keep coming from the powers that be (including parker).but like headingly mariner says while those loans hang over the club i dont see a way out never  


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If Fenty turns his benign loans  into shares ,there would not be half the posts that could be classed as libel on here,

If he does not want the money back but does not want to convert them to shares ,  why ?

Its no wonder posters on here are thinking all sorts of motives,

Just clear the air Mr Fenty and tell us why you are not converting the loans If you do not want the money back.

Confused ???   I am.


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If Fenty turns his benign loans  into shares ,there would not be half the posts that could be classed as libel on here,

If he does not want the money back but does not want to convert them to shares ,  why ?

Its no wonder posters on here are thinking all sorts of motives,

Just clear the air Mr Fenty and tell us why you are not converting the loans If you do not want the money back.

Confused ???   I am.


id like to hear the answer to that pete


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It's a fact and it's actually wrong. When did we last lose to a team who gets less than 300 home gate?


It can't be fact if it's wrong Rob so therefore it's libel as it's wrong.  But it's not liable as it's someone's opinion!  

So that really clears things up then!!!
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I think that this is all a bit embarrassing for Fenty.


He doesn't appear to embarrass easliy or he would have taken the hint and p!ssed off from GTFC years ago

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This might help (my italics): Libel is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give a product a negative image


Isn't it a bit late to worry about giving Grimsby Town FC PLC a negative image

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Fenty, you have guided the good ship GTFC from championship to the brink of regional, semi-pro football in your ten year tenure of the club and now from where I amk sat and ONLY MY OPINION, it seems you are getting so desperate that you are attempting to bully fans in to keeping quiet!

To me this seems to sum up the whole enterprise of you and GTFC. . . shambolic at best, downright incompetent.

You have been in charge when GTFC has been practicallky destroyed.

Years ago you made a ridiculous statement about not wanting to devalue the product. . . .Well Jonny boy yopu have beyond our wildest dreams well done. . . . now sue me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From now on any posts which libel Mr Fenty or any of the other GTFC board members will be removed. IP Addresses, names and e-mail addresses will be recorded and anyone who has been warned will be banned from the site. You may think you are hiding behind a made up name but you are not really.


So do you have a law degree or are you a Barrister?
I thought it was up to a court to decide what is and what isn't libelous.
What your doing is stopping free speech IMO

If Fenty and his minions think there is someone libeling him on here let him take them to court and let them to decide.


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Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them.
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So do you have a law degree or are you a Barrister?
I thought it was up to a court to decide what is and what isn't libelous.
What your doing is stopping free speech IMO

If Fenty and his minions think there is someone libeling him on here let him take them to court and let them to decide.


Does the originator of this board need to be a barrister to decide whether something should be removed? Stifling free speech is the worst he could be accused of. If I was Rob I'd be watching the board like the proverbial hawk now. If stuff is libellous then the board administrators may have to take some of the legal flak. A tall order for them when we are talking about people who cannot engage their brains before typing whilst hiding behind a user name.....


I have an inferiority complex-It's not a very good one though.
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Does the originator of this board need to be a barrister to decide whether something should be removed? Stifling free speech is the worst he could be accused of. If I was Rob I'd be watching the board like the proverbial hawk now. If stuff is libellous then the board administrators may have to take some of the legal flak. A tall order for them when we are talking about people who cannot engage their brains before typing whilst hiding behind a user name.....


Quite. Thing is though, there's no point in sueing someone for libel if they haven't got any net worth. So if you're totally skint, just say what the fcuk you like.
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Does the originator of this board need to be a barrister to decide whether something should be removed? Stifling free speech is the worst he could be accused of. If I was Rob I'd be watching the board like the proverbial hawk now. If stuff is libellous then the board administrators may have to take some of the legal flak. A tall order for them when we are talking about people who cannot engage their brains before typing whilst hiding behind a user name.....


We don't need to be barristers. If you read what I said the criteria for removing a post are pretty simple - don't make a factually incorrect statement about John Fenty (and other employees or board members). You can say whatever you want as long as it's an opinion. But if you lie about Fenty or someone similar it can't be allowed. Basically as other people have said on here that means almost everything that has ever been said on this forum is ok, but a few people have recently crossed the line and twisted facts so that they no longer resemble the truth. That's not stifling free speech at all, it's the law of the land, and no other web site, newpaper or forum would be able to legally publish them either! We don't need to watch like a hawk, it's not unreasonable for us to take a while to notice something, but if anyone keeps posting things that can't be proved then they will be banned (nobody has yet done so) and copies of their posts retained.

Don't forget also that the original posts that Fenty objected to are still hanging over the authors and the Fishy as well, as stated in his e-mail. The fact that they have not been removed from the public eye does not mean that they have gone away. One of the authors I know has contacted Fenty personally to discus it which is probably what should have happened in the first place.


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We don't need to be barristers. If you read what I said the criteria for removing a post are pretty simple - don't make a factually incorrect statement about John Fenty (and other employees or board members). You can say whatever you want as long as it's an opinion. But if you lie about Fenty or someone similar it can't be allowed. Basically as other people have said on here that means almost everything that has ever been said on this forum is ok, but a few people have recently crossed the line and twisted facts so that they no longer resemble the truth. That's not stifling free speech at all, it's the law of the land, and no other web site, newpaper or forum would be able to legally publish them either! We don't need to watch like a hawk, it's not unreasonable for us to take a while to notice something, but if anyone keeps posting things that can't be proved then they will be banned (nobody has yet done so) and copies of their posts retained.

Don't forget also that the original posts that Fenty objected to are still hanging over the authors and the Fishy as well, as stated in his e-mail. The fact that they have not been removed from the public eye does not mean that they have gone away. One of the authors I know has contacted Fenty personally to discus it which is probably what should have happened in the first place.


What part of the post removed earlier on the previous page was a lie or twisted truth?


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We don't need to be barristers. If you read what I said the criteria for removing a post are pretty simple - don't make a factually incorrect statement about John Fenty (and other employees or board members). You can say whatever you want as long as it's an opinion. But if you lie about Fenty or someone similar it can't be allowed. Basically as other people have said on here that means almost everything that has ever been said on this forum is ok, but a few people have recently crossed the line and twisted facts so that they no longer resemble the truth. That's not stifling free speech at all, it's the law of the land, and no other web site, newpaper or forum would be able to legally publish them either! We don't need to watch like a hawk, it's not unreasonable for us to take a while to notice something, but if anyone keeps posting things that can't be proved then they will be banned (nobody has yet done so) and copies of their posts retained.

Don't forget also that the original posts that Fenty objected to are still hanging over the authors and the Fishy as well, as stated in his e-mail. The fact that they have not been removed from the public eye does not mean that they have gone away. One of the authors I know has contacted Fenty personally to discus it which is probably what should have happened in the first place.


Rob, this isn't just about Fenty and GTFC board members. Contributors to any forum should refrain from libelling ANYONE.


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What part of the post removed earlier on the previous page was a lie or twisted truth?


Anything which insinuates that Fenty is trying to sell the ground, or in some way get back his loans, directly contradicts anything which he has ever said which is that the loans are benign and he does not expect to get his money back. If you have an issue with the company accounts raise it at the AGM or ask John Fenty directly.

Incidentally saying things like the benign loans are stopping other "investors" coming into the club is fine as that is an opinion.


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Rob, this isn't just about Fenty and GTFC board members. Contributors to any forum should refrain from libelling ANYONE.


True, and that's in our forum rules, although obviously at the moment the moderators are paying close attention about Fenty (as at one time they were about Mike Newell).


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Rob, this isn't just about Fenty and GTFC board members. Contributors to any forum should refrain from libelling ANYONE.


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We ought to thank him really - the number of hits this board has recorded has shot up since his latest outburst.

I would thank him even more if he decides not to stand for re-election as a director at the AGM and therefore does not then find his way back into the chairmans seat.

It is a great shame that proxy voters cannot vote in a 'show of hands' vote at the AGM and can only express the view of the shareholder who appointed them in the event of a card vote - I may therefore have to try to get to the AGM somehow simply to be seen to vote against Fenty (even if mine is the only hand raised) when his re-election as a director comes up.
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Don't forget also that the original posts that Fenty objected to are still hanging over the authors and the Fishy as well, as stated in his e-mail. The fact that they have not been removed from the public eye does not mean that they have gone away. One of the authors I know has contacted Fenty personally to discus it which is probably what should have happened in the first place.


If I recall correctly the posts in the thread that Codalmighty Tee-shirt Man referred to were opinions based on what he knew of the situation. They may be right, they may be wrong, but they're opinions. What bit of it was a lie?

I think Fenty has done himself no favours with this outburst. A simple denial of the hypothesis posted would have been better.

Also I don't see how that post related to anything libellous about "the staff" at GTFC.
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If I recall correctly the posts in the thread that Codalmighty Tee-shirt Man referred to were opinions based on what he knew of the situation. They may be right, they may be wrong, but they're opinions. What bit of it was a lie?
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You'll have to ask Fenty exactly which part he objected to (he doesn't say in his e-mail). But the last thing we are going to allow is to quote selective parts of a thread for which a complaint has been received to be resubmitted.



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You'll have to ask Fenty exactly which part he objected to (he doesn't say in his e-mail). But the last thing we are going to allow is to quote selective parts of a thread for which a complaint has been received to be resubmitted.



is this the end of the fishy as we know it


thank god that's over we are now football league
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is this the end of the fishy as we know it


i do hope so!


rather be a codhead than a scunt




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i do hope so!


You wouldnt be missed meeooowww only kidding


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i do hope so!


dont flipping come on then!


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You'll have to ask Fenty exactly which part he objected to (he doesn't say in his e-mail). But the last thing we are going to allow is to quote selective parts of a thread for which a complaint has been received to be resubmitted.



So, Fenty is allowed to email you and demand any post he doesn't like is removed without saying what he objects to? Grow a pair of balls Rob.
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You'll have to ask Fenty exactly which part he objected to (he doesn't say in his e-mail). But the last thing we are going to allow is to quote selective parts of a thread for which a complaint has been received to be resubmitted.



Well if the mods were doing what they are suppose to do it wouldnt havent got out of hand like this.To be honest its not rocket science to delete a post/thread that might be deemed as libel/slander because when it suits them its been done within 10 mins in one case


                                                          

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i do hope so!

Says the person who accused others of bullshitting and posting crap.

Unbelievable !

flash IMO you're a deluded imbercile who doesn't know his @rse from his elbow.

I'm thinking of staying away from the next home game in protest at your comments alone.  

PS Use a capital letter just once ?
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Leaving aside the content, the thing that is most distressing about the John Fenty post and subsequent thread is that we're now seeing Town fans arguing amongst themselves. Personally I very much appreciate those who run and moderate The Fishy and the hard work they put in, just as much as I enjoy the lively debate and comments of the vast majority of posters on here. I think we would do well to take on board what has been said but move on and not start fighting among ourselves and risk undermining the value of this fans forum at such a difficult time in the clubs history.

Everyone should always consider the effects their posts have on others, whoever they may be, but we should continue to have a forum that allows people to voice their opinion. The vast majority of posts are not libellous and perhaps Mr. Fenty's 'post' should serve as a partial reminder to all of us about the 'acceptable use' of any such 'media', which will need to be revisited now and again. With the club in such a dire position, the last thing we need is for this site to disintegrate through in-fighting.

This site should be one that empowers fans in some small way and in showing a bit more dignity and maturity in not responding to ANY form of behaviour that might be viewed as libellous, OR aggressive and controlling, it could provide a sounder footing for future dialogue and impact.

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Fans have always argued.

If you think arguing is a sign of undermining the forum, I'd suggest the precise opposite.

A sign of any strong democracy is one where everyone is allowed their view(within reason) whether people agree or not.

Not one where people get censored, told to shut up or can't say what they want for fear of majority rule.
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Says the person who accused others of bullshitting and posting crap.

Unbelievable !

flash IMO you're a deluded imbercile who doesn't know his @rse from his elbow.

I'm thinking of staying away from the next home game in protest at your comments alone.  

PS Use a capital letter just once ?


I,m pleased i,ve been of help and assistance in what was probably a brain tasking decision for you!


rather be a codhead than a scunt




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flash what exactly do you disagree with ?
Any comment that YOU don't agree with ?
You said you only come on to read "positive comments".

You think a forum is all for YOUR benefit and if you don't like what you're reading, the comments therefore shouldn't exist ?  

Please tell me your mindset, I'm intrigued !
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So, Fenty is allowed to email you and demand any post he doesn't like is removed without saying what he objects to? Grow a pair of balls Rob.


No but if the post clearly libels him as the ones in question did then we had no choice to remove them. Grow a brain.


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I think a lot of people have jumped to conclusions here. I've no doubt I'll get shouted down but I am typing this from neither a pro nor an anti fenty viewpoint. I just think people need to be more objective and look at these few points.

Firstly, the original email was from John to Rob, it was not an open letter to users of the fishy. The fact that Rob chose to copy and paste the email rather than summarise it in a post was Rob's decision and isn't fenty "throwing his toys out" as mentioned earlier in this thread.

Secondly, I think a lot of you have confused criticism (and even abuse) with liable/slander. John has admitted that things haven't been rosy (a large understatement IMO) and doesn't object to this. He objects to scurrilous rumours and untruths that have been posted. For instance it would be quite acceptable to say "fenty is a rich man with a pretty daughter who's tenure as chairman coincided with the club's demise to non-league football" all of these can be backed up with evidence. You can't however say something like (and I hasten to add I'm using this as an example) "John is the franchisee of the McDonalds outside BP and thus keeps the catering inside BP low-rate" this cannot be backed up by any form of evidence.

Lastly, the mods have been asked to remove libelous messages, this does not get rid of our freedom of speech but merely keeps Rob from being sued and this forum and website being shut down.

Sorry to rant on but I think a lot of you need to look at things objectively before spouting off.


you've summed it up excellently. keyboard warriors making a mountain out of a molehill. suspect they wouldn't be so voiceferous if they were in rob's shoes (or should that be smelly running shoes?  )

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Errr. my username - he didn't actually do that. In fact i've never owned a hamster. Shall i change it?
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Fans have always argued.

If you think arguing is a sign of undermining the forum, I'd suggest the precise opposite.

A sign of any strong democracy is one where everyone is allowed their view(within reason) whether people agree or not.

Not one where people get censored, told to shut up or can't say what they want for fear of majority rule.


Agree with you totally - hence the use of libellous OR aggressive and controlling - as you say everyone should be allowed their say (within reason)

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Dear Mr Fenty,

I have been asked to look at this thread by some friends who were concerned about the fact that the ex-chairman of a once great football club has once again made a complete plonker of himself (in their opinion of course) in his dealing with the media (whether this be the local newspaper, the official website or a fans forum). Firstly they mentioned the fact that, they believed, your dealings with the local radio station(s) damaged the public impression of the football club, further more your reluctance to offer a contract to Russell Slade damaged the financial impression of the football club, this is however conjecture as it is not possible to prove that with Mr Slade in charge GTFC would have remained in the football league.
From here you appointed Mike Newell…need I say more?
You then promoted Neil Woods, who I think it is fair to say, was seen as a fans favourite from his playing days by most supporters, to first team manager, stating that he would have the full support of the board and that you believed he had moved the club into the 21st century (paraphrasing I admit, but all said I believe, if not I apologise and will remove), then as we sat a few points off the playoffs in our first season in the conference, you sacked him and appointed “Noddy and Big Ears” who lost most of the remaining games and seemed to take the club backwards in the latter part of that season. But then they did need to bed get to know the players etc etc so that wasn’t a problem. This season “Noddy and Big Ears” have elevated GTFC to the lofty heights of…oh 17th in that same division.
You were pivotal in the appointment of Mike Parker to the board and then, for reasons which I am not fully informed, the pair of you had a falling out, resulting in Mr Parker handing his shares to GTST and you resigning as chairman. Since which, it would appear, you have decided that, aside from the ailing football club, the most productive thing for the image of GTFC plc would be to send a letter to a fans forum threatening legal  action if the opinions which you don’t like are not removed. Now I understand you have every right to ask for libellous and/or offensive things written about you in the public domain to be removed I would like to pose the following questions to you

If what was said was indeed false, what are your intentions for the “benign loans?”

If you have “written them off in your head” why not write them off officially?

If as mentioned above that post was false and did show the club in a negative light, what image, in your opinion, does your letter show the club in?

The club have been operating to a deficit for the last X (I don’t know how many, but it’s a lot) number of years; on what planet does this constitute “working in the best interest of the football club?” sure nobody in their right mind would continually run a business that way and expect it to go well?

The above question is my…errr…sorry….my friends…main gripe Mr Fenty, YOU decided to run this club in a way that makes a loss, YOU increased the playing budget, sacked a manager a season and appointed Mike Newell, and then YOU paid for it (literally) and, whilst claiming the loans to be benign, left them on the clubs financial report.

I do hope nothing within this rant is incorrect, if so I will be happy to correct and/or remove the offending comments. However I do believe you are acting like a petulant child
I think it would help not only your position with the fans but the image of the football club if you come out and actually defend your position, by stating what in the offending posts was incorrect, what was not and what the direction is for this once great club. If nothing happens in the near future this town will be talking about the time they used to have a football club and nobody wants that…well except the housing developers waiting to buy BP…from whichever institution calls in their loans first!

Regards

Mr ...actually if you want my name ask Rob to get my IP address
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From here you appointed Mike Newell---need I say more?

Yes how about with the moral support of almost everyone in the Town barring a select few. just for fairness mind
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Dear Mr Fenty,

I have been asked to look at this thread by some friends who were concerned about the fact that the ex-chairman of a once great football club has once again made a complete plonker of himself (in their opinion of course) in his dealing with the media (whether this be the local newspaper, the official website or a fans forum). Firstly they mentioned the fact that, they believed, your dealings with the local radio station(s) damaged the public impression of the football club, further more your reluctance to offer a contract to Russell Slade damaged the financial impression of the football club, this is however conjecture as it is not possible to prove that with Mr Slade in charge GTFC would have remained in the football league.
From here you appointed Mike Newell…need I say more?
You then promoted Neil Woods, who I think it is fair to say, was seen as a fans favourite from his playing days by most supporters, to first team manager, stating that he would have the full support of the board and that you believed he had moved the club into the 21st century (paraphrasing I admit, but all said I believe, if not I apologise and will remove), then as we sat a few points off the playoffs in our first season in the conference, you sacked him and appointed “Noddy and Big Ears” who lost most of the remaining games and seemed to take the club backwards in the latter part of that season. But then they did need to bed get to know the players etc etc so that wasn’t a problem. This season “Noddy and Big Ears” have elevated GTFC to the lofty heights of…oh 17th in that same division.
You were pivotal in the appointment of Mike Parker to the board and then, for reasons which I am not fully informed, the pair of you had a falling out, resulting in Mr Parker handing his shares to GTST and you resigning as chairman. Since which, it would appear, you have decided that, aside from the ailing football club, the most productive thing for the image of GTFC plc would be to send a letter to a fans forum threatening legal  action if the opinions which you don’t like are not removed. Now I understand you have every right to ask for libellous and/or offensive things written about you in the public domain to be removed I would like to pose the following questions to you

If what was said was indeed false, what are your intentions for the “benign loans?”

If you have “written them off in your head” why not write them off officially?

If as mentioned above that post was false and did show the club in a negative light, what image, in your opinion, does your letter show the club in?

The club have been operating to a deficit for the last X (I don’t know how many, but it’s a lot) number of years; on what planet does this constitute “working in the best interest of the football club?” sure nobody in their right mind would continually run a business that way and expect it to go well?

The above question is my…errr…sorry….my friends…main gripe Mr Fenty, YOU decided to run this club in a way that makes a loss, YOU increased the playing budget, sacked a manager a season and appointed Mike Newell, and then YOU paid for it (literally) and, whilst claiming the loans to be benign, left them on the clubs financial report.

I do hope nothing within this rant is incorrect, if so I will be happy to correct and/or remove the offending comments. However I do believe you are acting like a petulant child
I think it would help not only your position with the fans but the image of the football club if you come out and actually defend your position, by stating what in the offending posts was incorrect, what was not and what the direction is for this once great club. If nothing happens in the near future this town will be talking about the time they used to have a football club and nobody wants that…well except the housing developers waiting to buy BP…from whichever institution calls in their loans first!

Regards

Mr ...actually if you want my name ask Rob to get my IP address



Surely a more constructive approach would be to post this directly to JF at BP or better still arrange an appointment with him and discuss these points , with a witness of course.


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From here you appointed Mike Newell---need I say more?

Yes how about with the moral support of almost everyone in the Town barring a select few. just for fairness mind


Not quite true. Once appointed some of us looked at his stand-out days with Luton and thought..hmmm, impressive. He was hand picked though, when perhaps the fans would have liked to have seen a larger list of candidates to pick from? I know I did.  Almost immediately the alarm bells started with negative opinions on him from fans of former clubs.
Yes, we were taken in, but most of us didn't go digging into his past to find out what a nightmare the man was because we are just that, fans. That sort of research is left down to a football clubs chairman/board.
It's blatantly obvious who was to blame for the APPOINTMENT of Newell, and to make the fans guilty by association due to the fact that we casually cherry picked some of his history is quite wrong imo.  


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Surely a more constructive approach would be to post this directly to JF at BP or better still arrange an appointment with him and discuss these points , with a witness of course.


whys that then hes clearly monitering the fishy


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whys that then hes clearly monitering the fishy



But why use a third party if you want the answer to pertinent questions ? Is using the Fishy just a way of getting attention to your questions knowing that JF will not personally log on here to answer it. Monitoring this site is not the same thing as actively engaging in it.
For what it's worth I think a lot of these key-board warriors haven't the balls to directly ask JF to his face about their gripes but like to shout  " foul " when he challenges some of the hysterical drivel that is posted about his supposed financial intentions for the club .


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But why use a third party if you want the answer to pertinent questions ? Is using the Fishy just a way of getting attention to your questions knowing that JF will not personally log on here to answer it. Monitoring this site is not the same thing as actively engaging in it.
For what it's worth I think a lot of these key-board warriors haven't the balls to directly ask JF to his face about their gripes but like to shout  " foul " when he challenges some of the hysterical drivel that is posted about his supposed financial intentions for the club .


perhaps the best thing would be to go on radio hull and declare his intentions regarding lots of issues,i doubt he will cos burnsy tears him apart normally


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Dear Mr Fenty,

I have been asked to look at this thread by some friends who were concerned about the fact that the ex-chairman of a once great football club has once again made a complete plonker of himself (in their opinion of course) in his dealing with the media (whether this be the local newspaper, the official website or a fans forum). Firstly they mentioned the fact that, they believed, your dealings with the local radio station(s) damaged the public impression of the football club, further more your reluctance to offer a contract to Russell Slade damaged the financial impression of the football club, this is however conjecture as it is not possible to prove that with Mr Slade in charge GTFC would have remained in the football league.
From here you appointed Mike Newell…need I say more?
You then promoted Neil Woods, who I think it is fair to say, was seen as a fans favourite from his playing days by most supporters, to first team manager, stating that he would have the full support of the board and that you believed he had moved the club into the 21st century (paraphrasing I admit, but all said I believe, if not I apologise and will remove), then as we sat a few points off the playoffs in our first season in the conference, you sacked him and appointed “Noddy and Big Ears” who lost most of the remaining games and seemed to take the club backwards in the latter part of that season. But then they did need to bed get to know the players etc etc so that wasn’t a problem. This season “Noddy and Big Ears” have elevated GTFC to the lofty heights of…oh 17th in that same division.
You were pivotal in the appointment of Mike Parker to the board and then, for reasons which I am not fully informed, the pair of you had a falling out, resulting in Mr Parker handing his shares to GTST and you resigning as chairman. Since which, it would appear, you have decided that, aside from the ailing football club, the most productive thing for the image of GTFC plc would be to send a letter to a fans forum threatening legal  action if the opinions which you don’t like are not removed. Now I understand you have every right to ask for libellous and/or offensive things written about you in the public domain to be removed I would like to pose the following questions to you

If what was said was indeed false, what are your intentions for the “benign loans?”

If you have “written them off in your head” why not write them off officially?

If as mentioned above that post was false and did show the club in a negative light, what image, in your opinion, does your letter show the club in?

The club have been operating to a deficit for the last X (I don’t know how many, but it’s a lot) number of years; on what planet does this constitute “working in the best interest of the football club?” sure nobody in their right mind would continually run a business that way and expect it to go well?

The above question is my…errr…sorry….my friends…main gripe Mr Fenty, YOU decided to run this club in a way that makes a loss, YOU increased the playing budget, sacked a manager a season and appointed Mike Newell, and then YOU paid for it (literally) and, whilst claiming the loans to be benign, left them on the clubs financial report.

I do hope nothing within this rant is incorrect, if so I will be happy to correct and/or remove the offending comments. However I do believe you are acting like a petulant child
I think it would help not only your position with the fans but the image of the football club if you come out and actually defend your position, by stating what in the offending posts was incorrect, what was not and what the direction is for this once great club. If nothing happens in the near future this town will be talking about the time they used to have a football club and nobody wants that…well except the housing developers waiting to buy BP…from whichever institution calls in their loans first!

Regards

Mr ...actually if you want my name ask Rob to get my IP address


Well said that man.

Ive just re-read the original "Fenty" letter and still cannot believe its genuine.

Nobody would be so daft surely?

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No but if the post clearly libels him as the ones in question did then we had no choice to remove them. Grow a brain.


Rob, in your opinion it might be libellous and of course you have to go with your own judgement (and any advice you get). I understand that and also understand why you have to take a more defensive interpretation of risk than the rest of us do.

That said, all CATSMan did was to point out a series of facts* and invite people to draw their own conclusions about John Fenty's motives.


* the one about the valuation of BP has been challenged admittedly and surely this is a better way for JF to defend his position.

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Dear Mr Fenty,

I have been asked to look at this thread by some friends who were concerned about the fact that the ex-chairman of a once great football club has once again made a complete plonker of himself (in their opinion of course) in his dealing with the media (whether this be the local newspaper, the official website or a fans forum). Firstly they mentioned the fact that, they believed, your dealings with the local radio station(s) damaged the public impression of the football club, further more your reluctance to offer a contract to Russell Slade damaged the financial impression of the football club, this is however conjecture as it is not possible to prove that with Mr Slade in charge GTFC would have remained in the football league.
From here you appointed Mike Newell…need I say more?
You then promoted Neil Woods, who I think it is fair to say, was seen as a fans favourite from his playing days by most supporters, to first team manager, stating that he would have the full support of the board and that you believed he had moved the club into the 21st century (paraphrasing I admit, but all said I believe, if not I apologise and will remove), then as we sat a few points off the playoffs in our first season in the conference, you sacked him and appointed “Noddy and Big Ears” who lost most of the remaining games and seemed to take the club backwards in the latter part of that season. But then they did need to bed get to know the players etc etc so that wasn’t a problem. This season “Noddy and Big Ears” have elevated GTFC to the lofty heights of…oh 17th in that same division.
You were pivotal in the appointment of Mike Parker to the board and then, for reasons which I am not fully informed, the pair of you had a falling out, resulting in Mr Parker handing his shares to GTST and you resigning as chairman. Since which, it would appear, you have decided that, aside from the ailing football club, the most productive thing for the image of GTFC plc would be to send a letter to a fans forum threatening legal  action if the opinions which you don’t like are not removed. Now I understand you have every right to ask for libellous and/or offensive things written about you in the public domain to be removed I would like to pose the following questions to you

If what was said was indeed false, what are your intentions for the “benign loans?”

If you have “written them off in your head” why not write them off officially?

If as mentioned above that post was false and did show the club in a negative light, what image, in your opinion, does your letter show the club in?

The club have been operating to a deficit for the last X (I don’t know how many, but it’s a lot) number of years; on what planet does this constitute “working in the best interest of the football club?” sure nobody in their right mind would continually run a business that way and expect it to go well?

The above question is my…errr…sorry….my friends…main gripe Mr Fenty, YOU decided to run this club in a way that makes a loss, YOU increased the playing budget, sacked a manager a season and appointed Mike Newell, and then YOU paid for it (literally) and, whilst claiming the loans to be benign, left them on the clubs financial report.

I do hope nothing within this rant is incorrect, if so I will be happy to correct and/or remove the offending comments. However I do believe you are acting like a petulant child
I think it would help not only your position with the fans but the image of the football club if you come out and actually defend your position, by stating what in the offending posts was incorrect, what was not and what the direction is for this once great club. If nothing happens in the near future this town will be talking about the time they used to have a football club and nobody wants that…well except the housing developers waiting to buy BP…from whichever institution calls in their loans first!

Regards

Mr ...actually if you want my name ask Rob to get my IP address


Post of the week.
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Post of the week.


Why not do Icey a service and paste that into his thread then?
Just think it's kind of sad that no-one's really bothering with that.




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I thought that it needed to be a post that most of the board agreed on for an Icey Post of the Week - rather than just a one-off person saying they think it is a good post.

I'm clearly in the "John Fenty should not return to the club in any role" camp and I don't think the "John Fenty should return immediately as Chairman and continue his sterling work because I am totally clueless and want the club to continue down the same path" camp would agree that it was a good post.
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Says the person who accused others of bullshitting and posting crap.

Unbelievable !

flash IMO you're a deluded imbercile who doesn't know his @rse from his elbow.

I'm thinking of staying away from the next home game in protest at your comments alone.  

PS Use a capital letter just once ?
Thought it was imbecile not imbercile

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I thought that it needed to be a post that most of the board agreed on for an Icey Post of the Week - rather than just a one-off person saying they think it is a good post.


Well I thought it was the latter, but then I am a bit clueless so dunno.




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The sad thing is I have always had one if not both (most of the time) feet in the camp that Fenty is the best person for the club, if only it is because he is clearly the only person who wants the role.

The one problem though if you ignore his apparent dire (excluding Slade) record of appointing managers and balancing books, is and always has been his PR.

Exactly what did the man think he was going to achieve from this request, yes some of the things said have been appalling on this site but generally they are no different to what is said rightly or wrongly about any other person on the web ( I wonder if he will write to the owners of facebook and demand the same!!).

Any man of standing should be big enough and strong enough to ignore these comments, yes there is always a line, usually regards ones family, but as far as I know that wasn't the case here was it?  I always say if they are talking about me at least they are not talking about anyone else.

Taking this one stage further I wonder if this suggests that there is no going back for Fenty as he clearly doesn't seem to care if he now offends those that he relies upon or will rely upon to keep the club afloat; agreed this won't happen without outside income at the moment - but again I wonder why this is!!
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Anything which insinuates that Fenty is trying to sell the ground, or in some way get back his loans, directly contradicts anything which he has ever said which is that the loans are benign and he does not expect to get his money back. If you have an issue with the company accounts raise it at the AGM or ask John Fenty directly.

Incidentally saying things like the benign loans are stopping other "investors" coming into the club is fine as that is an opinion.


That is Bullshit!

The fact that the loans are secured against the ground make any speculation about it's future ownership valid.
Not expecting to get money back is not the same as not wanting it back.  


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The fact that the loans are secured against the ground make any speculation about it's future ownership valid.
Not expecting to get money back is not the same as not wanting it back.  


It's a valid point hypothetically but there's no indication whatsoever that Fenty has any intention of selling the ground, and since he has said he does not expect to get his money back you would imagine in fact the opposite is the case.

If one of us wins the lottery then he might get his money back but it's hard to imagine any other situation where that might be the case.


Success is the ability to go from failure to failure without losing your enthusiasm.  
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It's a valid point hypothetically but there's no indication whatsoever that Fenty has any intention of selling the ground, and since he has said he does not expect to get his money back you would imagine in fact the opposite is the case.

If one of us wins the lottery then he might get his money back but it's hard to imagine any other situation where that might be the case.


The best way to remove speculation is to remove the cause of the speculation.
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It's a valid point hypothetically but there's no indication whatsoever that Fenty has any intention of selling the ground, and since he has said he does not expect to get his money back you would imagine in fact the opposite is the case.

If one of us wins the lottery then he might get his money back but it's hard to imagine any other situation where that might be the case.


If I won the lottery I'd buy Hull City and relocate it to the south bank and change it's name to Grimsby & Cleethorpes AFC.

No I don't do the lottery.
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The sad thing is I have always had one if not both (most of the time) feet in the camp that Fenty is the best person for the club, if only it is because he is clearly the only person who wants the role.

The one problem though if you ignore his apparent dire (excluding Slade) record of appointing managers and balancing books, is and always has been his PR.

Exactly what did the man think he was going to achieve from this request, yes some of the things said have been appalling on this site but generally they are no different to what is said rightly or wrongly about any other person on the web ( I wonder if he will write to the owners of facebook and demand the same!!).

Any man of standing should be big enough and strong enough to ignore these comments, yes there is always a line, usually regards ones family, but as far as I know that wasn't the case here was it?  I always say if they are talking about me at least they are not talking about anyone else.

Taking this one stage further I wonder if this suggests that there is no going back for Fenty as he clearly doesn't seem to care if he now offends those that he relies upon or will rely upon to keep the club afloat; agreed this won't happen without outside income at the moment - but again I wonder why this is!!


the facebook/twitter thing is spot on ive read much worse on both about fenty and the grim outlook for that matter,and i agree with the above in my opinion hes forgot who the club really belongs to


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Not been on the site for a couple of weeks, so never saw the original posts regarding Fenty. But having read his reply I am extremely concerned about the future of the club and think a minority of the fans that seem intent of driving Fenty away from the club are gonna end up effectively killing this club once and for all.

Yes, our fortunes on the field have taken a dramatic turn from the worst during his time in charge. Relegation from Championship to outside the league is a devastating run of form that has seen gates drop in 10-12 years from 8,000 a week to just over 2,000. But I feel for Fenty. Although he has to shoulder the blame for the majority of the above and in the fact that he alone appoints the managers to run the team and that sign the players that have failed to bring a turn in fortunes, he had to show some trust that others will show the same passion for this club that he and the fans do. He/we have been let down badly - an understatement indeed.

The fact remains though that John Fenty is a fan, like me and you, he's not in this for any kind of financial reward, he is single-handedly bank-rolling the club. Even Mike Parker has walked away with a there's nothing in it for me attitude, and although Fenty felt there was no other alternative but to step down as chairman, he's still here paying the bills. There has been no interest at all from anyone else in the county and if he's driven out by the mindless idiots on this board we'd almost certainly go into administration and take a further downward spiral. Massive cuts would need to be taken to staff, players etc to re-coup the £1 million a year we are losing.

Some of the stick that Fenty has been taking is shocking and uncalled for and I wouldn't blame him for questioning what he's doing here. I understand fans' frustrations and many may well be at the end of the tether with the club at the moment. But the only way we are going to pull through this is by uniting as a club instead of driving away the people that matter and could ultimately turn this once great club around.

I will always be supporting the club through thick and thin.

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Not been on the site for a couple of weeks, so never saw the original posts regarding Fenty. But having read his reply I am extremely concerned about the future of the club and think a minority of the fans that seem intent of driving Fenty away from the club are gonna end up effectively killing this club once and for all.

Yes, our fortunes on the field have taken a dramatic turn from the worst during his time in charge. Relegation from Championship to outside the league is a devastating run of form that has seen gates drop in 10-12 years from 8,000 a week to just over 2,000. But I feel for Fenty. Although he has to shoulder the blame for the majority of the above and in the fact that he alone appoints the managers to run the team and that sign the players that have failed to bring a turn in fortunes, he had to show some trust that others will show the same passion for this club that he and the fans do. He/we have been let down badly - an understatement indeed.

The fact remains though that John Fenty is a fan, like me and you, he's not in this for any kind of financial reward, he is single-handedly bank-rolling the club. Even Mike Parker has walked away with a there's nothing in it for me attitude, and although Fenty felt there was no other alternative but to step down as chairman, he's still here paying the bills. There has been no interest at all from anyone else in the county and if he's driven out by the mindless idiots on this board we'd almost certainly go into administration and take a further downward spiral. Massive cuts would need to be taken to staff, players etc to re-coup the £1 million a year we are losing.

Some of the stick that Fenty has been taking is shocking and uncalled for and I wouldn't blame him for questioning what he's doing here. I understand fans' frustrations and many may well be at the end of the tether with the club at the moment. But the only way we are going to pull through this is by uniting as a club instead of driving away the people that matter and could ultimately turn this once great club around.

I will always be supporting the club through thick and thin.

UTM


Very well put Stew. Great post. IMHO!  UTM!


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Very well put Stew. Great post. IMHO!  UTM!


Oh this is getting tiresome you posting "well done" to any pro Fenty poster.

We are only in this mess cos your brother cant run the club properly.
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Clubs have always gone up and down. Somebody has to.

Look at Swansea (twice), Barnsley, Hull, Brighton, Wolves, Oxford, Wednesday & United ....... we are no different in failing to get results on the field. If you look at other clubs doing well there is no simple standard way that they have gone down and no simple standard way to get back.

But there is no doubt in my mind that JF must shoulder most of the responsibility through some ridiculous decision making that proves the lad does not have a clue about running a football club. He is not the first football club chairman to be like that though and he won't be the last. JF does have the saving grace of admitting his mistakes but in our current situation the future matters a lot more than the past. The simple fact is that the club is falling apart and all we can talk about is libel from a letter that looks a long way from genuine to me. Even if it is real, it is meaningless and unhelpful.

The letter would be best ignored and we would do better to start thinking of some positive ways forward and some questions for the AGM and especially what part the Trust is going to play in all this. Otherwise I can see us just having the usual rants for days afterwards and being no further forward.

Lastly, I also have a lot of time for Rob & Biccys but they can't run with the hare and hunt with the hounds, if you are a mod then you are a mod - full stop. This schizophrenia of trying to be mod and a normal poster doesn't work for me, sorry.


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Very well put Stew. Great post. IMHO!  UTM!


personally i hope fenty moves to australia and farms sheep.while hes involved in our club the only way is down imo
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Not been on the site for a couple of weeks, so never saw the original posts regarding Fenty. But having read his reply I am extremely concerned about the future of the club and think a minority of the fans that seem intent of driving Fenty away from the club are gonna end up effectively killing this club once and for all.

Yes, our fortunes on the field have taken a dramatic turn from the worst during his time in charge. Relegation from Championship to outside the league is a devastating run of form that has seen gates drop in 10-12 years from 8,000 a week to just over 2,000. But I feel for Fenty. Although he has to shoulder the blame for the majority of the above and in the fact that he alone appoints the managers to run the team and that sign the players that have failed to bring a turn in fortunes, he had to show some trust that others will show the same passion for this club that he and the fans do. He/we have been let down badly - an understatement indeed.

The fact remains though that John Fenty is a fan, like me and you, he's not in this for any kind of financial reward, he is single-handedly bank-rolling the club. Even Mike Parker has walked away with a there's nothing in it for me attitude, and although Fenty felt there was no other alternative but to step down as chairman, he's still here paying the bills. There has been no interest at all from anyone else in the county and if he's driven out by the mindless idiots on this board we'd almost certainly go into administration and take a further downward spiral. Massive cuts would need to be taken to staff, players etc to re-coup the £1 million a year we are losing.

Some of the stick that Fenty has been taking is shocking and uncalled for and I wouldn't blame him for questioning what he's doing here. I understand fans' frustrations and many may well be at the end of the tether with the club at the moment. But the only way we are going to pull through this is by uniting as a club instead of driving away the people that matter and could ultimately turn this once great club around.

I will always be supporting the club through thick and thin.

UTM


Brilliant - it's the fans killing off the club!

No wonder Sonik thought it was a great post.

This club will not die because of 'a minority' of its fans.  

Of the 3-4 thousand fans who have attended BP over the last few years, how many have actually posted aggressive and obscene messages about JF on this board?  

I think some perspective is needed.  

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Brilliant - it's the fans killing off the club!
No wonder Sonik thought it was a great post.

This club will not die because of 'a minority' of its fans.  

Of the 3-4 thousand fans who have attended BP over the last few years, how many have actually posted aggressive and obscene messages about JF on this board?  

I think some perspective is needed.  




I think you need to read the statement correctly . No mention was made of a " minority " of fans killing the club. What was said was that if some of the drivel posted on this site drove JF away then there is a good chance that the club could fold , which is not quite the same thing. It is a fact that at the moment their is nobody willing to take up the challenge of running/bank rolling GTFC if JF was to chuck his hand in.


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I think you need to read the statement correctly . No mention was made of a " minority " of fans killing the club. What was said was that if some of the drivel posted on this site drove JF away then there is a good chance that the club could fold , which is not quite the same thing. It is a fact that at the moment their is nobody willing to take up the challenge of running/bank rolling GTFC if JF was to chuck his hand in.


Not that I'd expect him to, but if Fenty walked away and left the club to die as a result of being called a few names (the majority well justified) on a message board, then I know who I'd be pointing the finger at, and it certainly wouldn't be anyone on here. In fact, maybe if he could've taken a bit more stick, shown a bit of spine and stuck to his guns in the past then perhaps we wouldn't have gone through managers like a baby goes through nappies and perhaps we wouldn't be in this awful mess at all.
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Rancido, do you mean Fenty's statement or Stew's post?  As I quoted Stew's post I thought it was obvious that that was what I was responding to - his second sentence talks about a minority of fans killing the club.

Ska Faces post is spot on.

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It's a valid point hypothetically but there's no indication whatsoever that Fenty has any intention of selling the ground, and since he has said he does not expect to get his money back you would imagine in fact the opposite is the case.

If one of us wins the lottery then he might get his money back but it's hard to imagine any other situation where that might be the case.


So why delete it then? If it's not libelous.


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Not that I'd expect him to, but if Fenty walked away and left the club to die as a result of being called a few names (the majority well justified) on a message board, then I know who I'd be pointing the finger at, and it certainly wouldn't be anyone on here.

Exactly.

And if it's such a big deal, why even bother reading ? (if he even is right now)

It's a bit ridiculous.

It might help if those in favour of Fenty tried to build bridges or at least, didn't patronize others by denying he's to blame for anything.

All we're seeing is the proverbial split grow wider.
Or is that what the pro-Fenty lobby actually want, just them and no-one else who ever objects to anything ?
Makes you wonder sometimes...
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I think its all soniks fault,  

If he kept himself to himself instead of telling brother John about all the name calling, he would have been none the wiser,

As a previous post said, its only a few on here that are really nasty towards Fenty,

So out of 3,000 fans that attend a home game ,10 posters on here is not a great number , is it ?


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But surely Fenty could see it for what is is anyway ?
Passion, frustration and possibly misguided beliefs ?
There are many things I could get wound up about if took them seriously, but who does ?
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Fenty is very succesfull in all his buisness acheivments,five star, E factor, councilor, this aloan is the gateway to the new stadium all his time effort and energy, he has not failed at anything he has wanted to acheive in his life, it will come good soon if we are all unite and keep the faith, for all the stick he receives he should save his money buy a very big boat and enjoy the spoils of his labour or buy a season ticket at MUFC, not one of us if we are honest would invest the type of money he has and put up with the drivell that the (minority) come up with, if you dont want a football club carry on, there will only be one outcome if this continues, everyone has a limit, this football club would of died years ago if it was not for him, lets just look at previous directors they took money out of the club and run a mile when the sh t hit the fan, not fenty he has put his kids inheritance in and still beleives that fortune will come soon to our wonderfull football club. ps i am iliterate to.  
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Very well put Stew. Great post. IMHO!  UTM!


Well IMHO FFS stop underlining every pro-bro post you can lay your mitts on. Your brother has managed to steer us from Championship level to four points above relegation from the 5th level of English football. That is an incontrovertible fact.

As I've said before, if your brother comes up with a PLAN to turn the ship around while the tides out, to use his metaphors then I, and many others will give it some credence. But at the moment the silence is deafening, no plan, no results, no enthusiasm. All many fans can see is GTFC going to the dogs.
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Well IMHO FFS stop underlining every pro-bro post you can lay your mitts on. Your brother has managed to steer us from Championship level to four points above relegation from the 5th level of English football. That is an incontrovertible fact.

As I've said before, if your brother comes up with a PLAN to turn the ship around while the tides out, to use his metaphors then I, and many others will give it some credence. But at the moment the silence is deafening, no plan, no results, no enthusiasm. All many fans can see is GTFC going to the dogs.
And many of us keep the faith

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And many of us keep the faith



You don't get it, do you? Those that 'keep the faith' are barely covering the wage bill - with food & programmes an extra 1000 bums on seats could bring in an extra £20,000 per home game, therefore £500,000 (including cup games) per season. Add 2,000 to the gate and you would bring in £1,000,000 per season. It's the people who don't go who need to be brought back - they represent the future financial health (or otherwise) of GTFC.
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And many of us keep the faith



Gates are dwindling as with other sources of income. Meeeooowww


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Well IMHO FFS stop underlining every pro-bro post you can lay your mitts on. Your brother has managed to steer us from Championship level to four points above relegation from the 5th level of English football. That is an incontrovertible fact.As I've said before, if your brother comes up with a PLAN to turn the ship around while the tides out, to use his metaphors then I, and many others will give it some credence. But at the moment the silence is deafening, no plan, no results, no enthusiasm. All many fans can see is GTFC going to the dogs.



Not true - JF ,as Chairman , has steered us to one relegation . The drop from the Championship to Div 2 was under another Chairman. I am neither pro or anti JF but I try to deal in facts and regardless of wether you think he had that much influence on the Board prior to being made Chairman the facts are as stated.


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Not true - JF ,as Chairman , has steered us to one relegation . The drop from the Championship to Div 2 was under another Chairman. I am neither pro or anti JF but I try to deal in facts and regardless of wether you think he had that much influence on the Board prior to being made Chairman the facts are as stated.


I stand corrected - whilst mindful that he was the major shareholder well before he became chairman.
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You don't get it, do you? Those that 'keep the faith' are barely covering the wage bill - with food & programmes an extra 1000 bums on seats could bring in an extra £20,000 per home game, therefore £500,000 (including cup games) per season. Add 2,000 to the gate and you would bring in £1,000,000 per season. It's the people who don't go who need to be brought back - they represent the future financial health (or otherwise) of GTFC.


Excellent point. Hopefully an area that the newly revitalised GTST can address from day 1 in conjunction with the club.

P.S. I'm not sure Town receive any of the money from the catering. I think it's franchised out and the franchise holder takes the profit?


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Well IMHO FFS stop underlining every pro-bro post you can lay your mitts on. Your brother has managed to steer us from Championship level to four points above relegation from the 5th level of English football. That is an incontrovertible fact.

As I've said before, if your brother comes up with a PLAN to turn the ship around while the tides out, to use his metaphors then I, and many others will give it some credence. But at the moment the silence is deafening, no plan, no results, no enthusiasm. All many fans can see is GTFC going to the dogs.


I will continue to give credit to posts that I see fit. Would you not support your brother if you saw what time effort and wealth he puts into this football club of ours. John has plans for the future I'm sure. Quite what they are I don't know. The AGM will have a bearing on what the future holds. We all know the football club needs funding just to get us to the end of this season let alone future ones. I for one hope John will continue to support our club the way he has in the past. I feel for him the way he's been portrayed on this forum by some and can tell you he's sick to death of it. Big Easy will concur with this after his meeting. UTM!


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Exactly.

And if it's such a big deal, why even bother reading ? (if he even is right now)

It's a bit ridiculous.

It might help if those in favour of Fenty tried to build bridges or at least, didn't patronize others by denying he's to blame for anything.

All we're seeing is the proverbial split grow wider.
Or is that what the pro-Fenty lobby actually want, just them and no-one else who ever objects to anything ?
Makes you wonder sometimes...


Why do you persist in this idea that somehow Town's fanbase is divided into pro-Fenty and anti-Fenty? I'd suggest to you that there are very few in the so called pro-Fenty lobby who believe that no criticism at all should be directed towards the man. The whole thing is a figment of your lurid imagination. I actually think you enjoy the conflict.
Exactly who should supporters of not abusing John Fenty build bridges with? Those who hide behind their keyboards whilst typing vile personal abuse? Don't think so.


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Why do you persist in this idea that somehow Town's fanbase is divided into pro-Fenty and anti-Fenty? I'd suggest to you that there are very few in the so called pro-Fenty lobby who believe that no criticism at all should be directed towards the man. The whole thing is a figment of your lurid imagination. I actually think you enjoy the conflict.

Oh come on, pull the other one barralad !
What do you think most of the recent arguments have been about ?

It's not that people "object" to the criticism, it's just the fact people will argue tooth and nail over any issue of whether "Fenty is to blame" for x, y and z.

For clarity, when I refer to pro/anti Fenty I don't mean if people like the man, I'm talking about whether they believe he is the right man to manage the club and makes it's decisons going forward.

If that's a figment of my imagination then maybe I'm living in the twilight zone, but the recent poll "Should John Fenty be chariman ?" seems to back it up.
Obviously some will argue there's no choice, well I won't revisit that old debate.

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Exactly who should supporters of not abusing John Fenty build bridges with? Those who hide behind their keyboards whilst typing vile personal abuse? Don't think so.

Really why not ?
You don't want to try to persuade people to change their attitudes, feel part of the club and return to help boost the gate receipts ?

How can people complain about the dire financial situation of the club in one breath but then slag off exiles or those teetering on the brink of leaving in the other ?

If people enjoy the petty pointscoring good for them, but as a fan myself I'm concerned about the lack of unity and how fans with minority opinions that don't fit under the club umbrella are sometimes ridiculed and mostly dismissed.

As for "hiding behind keyboards" I think you're being a bit silly, it's obviously an issue of privacy everyone holds dear to some extent.
Not everyone is so naive to splash their entire private life all over facebook.
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Really why not ?
You don't want to try to persuade people to change their attitudes, feel part of the club and return to help boost the gate receipts ?

How can people complain about the dire financial situation of the club in one breath but then slag off exiles or those teetering on the brink of leaving in the other ?

If people enjoy the petty pointscoring good for them, but as a fan myself I'm concerned about the lack of unity and how fans with minority opinions that don't fit under the club umbrella are sometimes ridiculed and mostly dismissed.

As for "hiding behind keyboards" I think you're being a bit silly, it's obviously an issue of privacy everyone holds dear to some extent.
Not everyone is so naive to splash their entire private life all over facebook.


I'll ask you one question: Do you think that your pontificating on here makes a single shread of difference to people's attitudes towards John Fenty?

I think I've got better things to do with my time than try to reach out to the sort of people I have described at length. There are a lot of people out there however who have fallen out of love with the club but who do not have to resort to abuse to make their point. These are the people that I hope the Trust will target as they develop a strategy over the coming weeks. That battle will not be won on this or any other message board for the simple reason that most of these people don't bother to post on any messageboards.
I try to deal in practicalities and the simple fact is that in the short term at least it would appear that the only person with any desire at all to fund the club is Mr Fenty.  Nobody can deny that over the period of his control of the club mistakes have been made but that is what tends to happen when, because of circumstances a football club is dependent on effectively one man for it's survival. For me, anybody who is serious about reviving the fortunes of our club will have to recognise that and be prepared to work within those boundaries.

We will have to agree to disagree about anonymity. I have no idea where the comparison to Facebook comes from but we aren't talking about splashing entire private lives on the Fishy.



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I'll ask you one question: Do you think that your pontificating on here makes a single shread of difference to people's attitudes towards John Fenty?

I think I've got better things to do with my time than try to reach out to the sort of people I have described at length. There are a lot of people out there however who have fallen out of love with the club but who do not have to resort to abuse to make their point. These are the people that I hope the Trust will target as they develop a strategy over the coming weeks. That battle will not be won on this or any other message board for the simple reason that most of these people don't bother to post on any messageboards.
I try to deal in practicalities and the simple fact is that in the short term at least it would appear that the only person with any desire at all to fund the club is Mr Fenty.  Nobody can deny that over the period of his control of the club mistakes have been made but that is what tends to happen when, because of circumstances a football club is dependent on effectively one man for it's survival. For me, anybody who is serious about reviving the fortunes of our club will have to recognise that and be prepared to work within those boundaries.

We will have to agree to disagree about anonymity. I have no idea where the comparison to Facebook comes from but we aren't talking about splashing entire private lives on the Fishy.



Whilst I agree with a lot of that, I do feel that, in order to get fans back, JF has to show that GTFC has a future. If we'd had a couple of bad years then it would be less of an issue but we're now looking at a club with almost a decade of continual decline.

What's worse, it has coincided with the worst recession in living memory, leading people to look carefully at how they spend their disposable income. JF needs people to spend that money at GTFC - and he needs a more persuasive argument to make them do so.
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I'll ask you one question: Do you think that your pontificating on here makes a single shread of difference to people's attitudes towards John Fenty?

I think I've got better things to do with my time than try to reach out to the sort of people I have described at length. There are a lot of people out there however who have fallen out of love with the club but who do not have to resort to abuse to make their point. These are the people that I hope the Trust will target as they develop a strategy over the coming weeks. That battle will not be won on this or any other message board for the simple reason that most of these people don't bother to post on any messageboards.
I try to deal in practicalities and the simple fact is that in the short term at least it would appear that the only person with any desire at all to fund the club is Mr Fenty.  Nobody can deny that over the period of his control of the club mistakes have been made but that is what tends to happen when, because of circumstances a football club is dependent on effectively one man for it's survival. For me, anybody who is serious about reviving the fortunes of our club will have to recognise that and be prepared to work within those boundaries.

We will have to agree to disagree about anonymity. I have no idea where the comparison to Facebook comes from but we aren't talking about splashing entire private lives on the Fishy.



its a very good post but the bit what falls down is the club is dependant on one man for survival? didnt not that long ago another multi millionaire invest in  the club?


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I tell you what...why don't you take your "award winning" (was it the Dave Burns "I'm so clever award?), smug, oh so funny website and shove it where the sun doesn't shine?!

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I tell you what...why don't you take your "award winning" (was it the Dave Burns "I'm so clever award?), smug, oh so funny website and shove it where the sun doesn't shine?!


Oh come on... Stop being so serious and take it for what it's worth.

It made me lol!
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We all know the football club needs funding just to get us to the end of this season let alone future ones.


I thought that your brother had agreed to fund the club until the end of the season anyway?  I was under the impression that he and Parker had agreed to split the projected million pound deficit for the season 50/50 with Parker having invested his half million in shares thus sparking off this recent spat.

Are you saying we need additional funding this season or will John not fund his share of the previously agreed funding unless he is in a position of authority?

If your brother returns to the role of Chairman how much longer is he willing to fund the clubs losses?

Even the most ardent anti-Fentyite cannot argue that he hasn't put the time and effort in, as well as loaning the club money - my personal view is that the amount of money he has loaned the club is directly proportional to his mismanagement of a now shambolic football club - but where has that got us?

In the 9 years since he became major shareholder and thus string puller we have plummeted from the Championship to the lower reaches of non-league and become a shambles of an outfit both on and off the pitch.

I was so hopeful for a change in fortunes when Mike Parker became involved. I hoped that at last we had somebody involved who would run the club properly.  Unfortunately I fear that the club will continue to be poorly run and badly financially 'managed' if your brother returns.

In his 9 years pulling the strings he has proven without a shadow of doubt that he is incapable of running a football club and I see absolutely no change in fortunes whilst he is involved in any capacity at the club.

His 'plan' appears to based on hope and luck, spending way in excess of our income on wages in the hope that the team do well which, hopefully, reduces or possibly negates entirely the predicted yearly losses. This 'plan' has been used year on year in the hope that our luck changes, or to use one of his favourite phrases, when the tide comes in it will come in quick, but this 'plan' has failed time and time again!

I personally hope that people voting at the AGM vote against him returning as a director let alone Chairman. It is my hope that the club will be run within its means and that particular emphasis and work is focused on attracting back the thousands of fans that have had enough of your brothers failure-ridden reign.

Finally, I know he doesn't like people name calling or 'being nasty' via the media, has he apologised to Serge yet re calling him a disaster of a signing in the Telegraph?
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