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GollyGTFC
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I think we need clarification of what can and can't be said about Fenty.

I have looked up Libel in a dictionary and it is defined as follows:

anything that is defamatory or that maliciously or damagingly misrepresents.

Basically, a statement can only be libelous if it can be proved beyond doubt to be untrue in court.

With this in mind can I say without fear of writ that John Fenty has proven himself to be a vuseless Chairman of Grimsby Town FC and the blame for our dropping out of the league rests squarely at his feet. I can only guess that making money in the Fish processing industry is easy because his running of GTFC, the continuing huge financial losses and it's huge debt indicate he has very little business sense.
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I think we need clarification of what can and can't be said about Fenty.

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The libelous stuff is saying/suggesting/alluding that Fenty has been commiting some sort of con and plans to benefit from the clubs downfall as this isn't fact but people thinking they are some sort of Derren Brown figure who know what Fenty's thoughts and ambitions are and then relay them on here. As I see it the real problem most people have is mistaking Fenty being unsuccessful as the chairman of the football club with Fenty being some sort of liar so when he says that the loans he has put into the club are "benign" they read it as exactly the opposite with bells on.


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Not exactly 'regularly' though? I'll see you in court Felix !!


Im regular as clockwork in next doors garden


Dogs are smelly creatures full of there own importance
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I think that this is all a bit embarrassing for Fenty.



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The libelous stuff is saying/suggesting/alluding that Fenty has been commiting some sort of con and plans to benefit from the clubs downfall as this isn't fact but people thinking they are some sort of Derren Brown figure who know what Fenty's thoughts and ambitions are and then relay them on here. As I see it the real problem most people have is mistaking Fenty being unsuccessful as the chairman of the football club with Fenty being some sort of liar so when he says that the loans he has put into the club are "benign" they read it as exactly the opposite with bells on.


The problem is Fenty and certain people don't seem to understand what benign actually means. It means favourable, mild, gentle and/or non-threatening. Has Fenty's £2 million or so of loans in the club been any of that? Just because Fenty's says we wouldn't demand repayment in a way that would risk the existance of the club doesn't make his debt "benign".

Grimsby Town FC's huge "benign" debts and continuing losses have caused Barclay's to convert a £500,000 overdraft into a loan repayable over 5 years. A huge amount for a business which spent 113% of turnover last financial year on Staff costs alone and lost almost £1,000,000 in the process.

Fenty's past "benign" debts to Five Star Fish have meant that the club has had to contribute £537,500 to pension payments and still has to find another £112,500 when the club is in real terms insolvent. This has had a direct and negative impact on the clubs profit and loss accounts- which were bad enough as it was.

Potential investors look at Profit and Loss and debt when looking at a business. Do you think anyone with any sense would invest in our club at present?

Is this huge debt and it consequences on the business really "benign"?
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I think some people are missing the point here (or, I suspect, choosing to miss the point).  Fenty was Chairman for around 8 yrs and had been on or around the board for a few years before that.  During that time he has been consistently criticised on this board but has never resorted to making this kind of statement.

The reason he has is because some people have quite clearly crossed the line - the originator of the thread about the value of BP (and a number of contributers) seemed to quite clearly question his motives and infer that JF intended to, at best, recoup his loans and, at worst, make a tidy personal profit in a move to a new stadium.  This was done with no more evidence than a newspaper report.

This board is the public domain in just the same way as the broadcast media and the law applies to you as much as anyone else!  Criticism is fine but libel is not.

Having said that, I really think Fenty needs either to employ someone or use someone he trusts to not only proof read everything he puts into the public domain but also to give an honest opinion of the content!  There is nothing to be ashamed about being dyslexic but it leaves you open to the ridicule I've read on this and Grim Outlook from some people who really should know better.


WHS.  


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The problem is Fenty and certain people don't seem to understand what benign actually means. It means favourable, mild, gentle and/or non-threatening. Has Fenty's £2 million or so of loans in the club been any of that? Just because Fenty's says we wouldn't demand repayment in a way that would risk the existance of the club doesn't make his debt "benign".

Grimsby Town FC's huge "benign" debts and continuing losses have caused Barclay's to convert a £500,000 overdraft into a loan repayable over 5 years. A huge amount for a business which spent 113% of turnover last financial year on Staff costs alone and lost almost £1,000,000 in the process.

Fenty's past "benign" debts to Five Star Fish have meant that the club has had to contribute £537,500 to pension payments and still has to find another £112,500 when the club is in real terms insolvent. This has had a direct and negative impact on the clubs profit and loss accounts- which were bad enough as it was.

Potential investors look at Profit and Loss and debt when looking at a business. Do you think anyone with any sense would invest in our club at present?

Is this huge debt and it consequences on the business really "benign"?


When any loans are secured on the ground then as a football fan you have to be worried.
Scrap the loans and free the club!


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WHS.  


Do you Fentys really sit of an evening wondering what Town fans have the temerity to question John Fentys motives?

Shouldnt he be putting all his energies into writing an apology to us fans,the true heart of GTFC, for the almighty member ups that have led us to this position?

When he has done that perhaps he would be kind enough to let us know how he intends to make a positive difference to our fortunes.

If he wont / cant then perhaps it would be better if we take our chances without him - it might galvanise the club to find some pride and fighting spirit again.
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This was the post I made on the thread that John Fenty objected to.

It is not libelous (a kind solicitor who is a Town fan has backed up my opinion in an unsolicited email to me).

**** Mod - REMOVED (sorry the word of your "friend" is not good enough ****
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I think some people are missing the point here (or, I suspect, choosing to miss the point).

If you're referring to me, I haven't missed the point at all.

Fenty and libel is one thing but I'm talking about posters like you who seemingly show very little interest(if any) in the football and seem to spend all their time trying to take the moral highground lecturing others about what they should be saying, what they should be thinking etc etc (IMO)

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some people who really should know better.

I rest my case !  
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