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GrimRob
November 6, 2011, 8:32am Report to Moderator

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Quoted from mariner2000
so rob please clarify how twit of the week won't be banned then!!

The statement that an individual is a twit surely gives a negative image!!!


TOTW is fine because it's an opinion not factual


Success is the ability to go from failure to failure without losing your enthusiasm.  
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November 6, 2011, 8:38am Report to Moderator

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So basically you can put whatever you like and then add in my opinion at the end to make it fine?


Not if it's an implied fact, e.g. John Fenty bought a round in the pub last night, in my opinion.


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TOTW is fine because it's an opinion not factual


your gonna have fun with that one I'm sure!  Hope you have added a full time solicitor as a moderator!
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I think a lot of people have jumped to conclusions here. I've no doubt I'll get shouted down but I am typing this from neither a pro nor an anti fenty viewpoint. I just think people need to be more objective and look at these few points.

Firstly, the original email was from John to Rob, it was not an open letter to users of the fishy. The fact that Rob chose to copy and paste the email rather than summarise it in a post was Rob's decision and isn't fenty "throwing his toys out" as mentioned earlier in this thread.

Secondly, I think a lot of you have confused criticism (and even abuse) with liable/slander. John has admitted that things haven't been rosy (a large understatement IMO) and doesn't object to this. He objects to scurrilous rumours and untruths that have been posted. For instance it would be quite acceptable to say "fenty is a rich man with a pretty daughter who's tenure as chairman coincided with the club's demise to non-league football" all of these can be backed up with evidence. You can't however say something like (and I hasten to add I'm using this as an example) "John is the franchisee of the McDonalds outside BP and thus keeps the catering inside BP low-rate" this cannot be backed up by any form of evidence.

Lastly, the mods have been asked to remove libelous messages, this does not get rid of our freedom of speech but merely keeps Rob from being sued and this forum and website being shut down.

Sorry to rant on but I think a lot of you need to look at things objectively before spouting off.


"I am happy for you to post this email"

Not the words of someone sending a private email.  Fenty knew exactly what would happen to his email.

As I said above, it is a very small number of posters who have got anywhere near being libellous and they could have been individually warned by the mods, who could also have reset the perameters of what is and is not acceptable use of language through a statement of their own.  All of which would have avoided this rather unnecessary public threat of legal action etc.

I assume when you say people are 'spouting off' you mean 'presenting a view I don't agree with'.  Is this view any less objective than yours? I am happy to proclaim myself as anti-Fenty but would like to think that I can also comment on indiviual events, such as this, with a degree of rational thought.

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Quoted from GrimRob


TOTW is fine because it's an opinion not factual

Surely Martin Butler is a complete and utter twit, something for which there is plenty of evidence. When does opinion become fact?


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During the last few seasons we have been total crap and lost our league status and now lose regulary to teams who get 300 or less home gate is that fact or opinion,im off to curl up now on the sofa


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During the last few seasons we have been total crap and lost our league status and now lose regulary to teams who get 300 or less home gate is that fact or opinion,im off to curl up now on the sofa


It's a fact and it's actually wrong. When did we last lose to a team who gets less than 300 home gate?


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It's a fact and it's actually wrong. When did we last lose to a team who gets less than 300 home gate?


Will the fishy being taking proceedings against me? I own a collar and a bowl and braintree that hotbed of football


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"I am happy for you to post this email"

Not the words of someone sending a private email.  Fenty knew exactly what would happen to his email.

As I said above, it is a very small number of posters who have got anywhere near being libellous and they could have been individually warned by the mods, who could also have reset the perameters of what is and is not acceptable use of language through a statement of their own.  All of which would have avoided this rather unnecessary public threat of legal action etc.

I assume when you say people are 'spouting off' you mean 'presenting a view I don't agree with'.  Is this view any less objective than yours? I am happy to proclaim myself as anti-Fenty but would like to think that I can also comment on indiviual events, such as this, with a degree of rational thought.



By spouting off I mean opening their mouths (or in this case keyboard) without thinking about what they're saying/typing - as you put it rational thought.

I said at the start of my post that I knew I'd get shot down for saying it, I said that because as humans our opinions differ on a vast number of subjects, I am fortunate to have a modicum of intelligence so appreciate other's views whether I agree with them or not. I don't however feel it is right to slander people - reading your previous posts you seem like you're in the same boat as me, not necessarily from our viewpoints regarding the club but certainly in being able to listen to other's opinions without resorting to petty name calling.

Hope this clears this up for you

Rob


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Will the fishy being taking proceedings against me? I own a collar and a bowl and braintree that hotbed of football


Not exactly 'regularly' though? I'll see you in court Felix !!


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