Covid vaccine

Quoted from DB

Same every time they meet. Lots of words and photos and then they all go home and do very little if anything at all.

They did more than you realise DB. They showed us perfectly what a bunch of feckless useless oxygen thief’s they really are. 😀

Quoted from aldi_01

Whilst it’s fair to say we are both poles apart with our politics I am inclined to agree with what you’re saying.

You can show me data all you want, the last 18 months has told us that they have had issues with data anyway so I’m still not convinced by that.

The public’s somewhat non response to this constant balderdash and whataboutery from the government is alarming. False promises and rhetoric like ‘freedom day’ is baffling. People have swallowed it up without so much as murmer. Credibility for any of it is zilch too when you see things like the G7 all stood happily having a cocktail party behaving in the normal way you would rather than socially distanced or choosing to wear a mask.

The mask thing has baffled me from the start, at the so called height of it all we didn’t need one, then they introduced them and now it’s just half arsed. I spent a week in hospital last week visiting/staying over for one reason or another. Never once enforced a mask, nor did they insist I wear a hospital one, just the tatty black paper one I’ve had since about September.

I’m done with it all now, I had a vaccine out of respect for my boss who had to spend hours sorting It out for all the staff, they got mine wrong along with others, some staff were so ill they couldn’t have both parts. Now there’s suggestions that the vaccine may not be as effective. It’s just all very tiresome now.

The mask wearing seems to so inconsistent.
In the US the CDC has declared not necessary after full vaccination.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57160923

Quoted from Stadium

The mask wearing seems to so inconsistent.
In the US the CDC has declared not necessary after full vaccination.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57160923

As a specialist setting both my staff and my leadership team were adamant we weren’t going to wear masks, even if our trust pushed for it.

We haven’t, we had one case, that could have swung either way and was likely picked up at a local football training session. The staff member wasn’t ill and literally did the test Becauee the entire team did.

A friend in a similar role to me works in a school that have gone to town on PPE and health and safety…had multiple outbreaks.

As I say, the hospital weren’t bothered a week or so ago when I was in there…that told me everything.

Skimmed through a few minutes of it (you expect me to waste 30 minutes without any sort of a precis of the contents?) and my thoughts are, "What a nutjob". He's obviously deep, deep into the anti-vaxx propaganda and needs to spend a bit less time on facebook.

Judging by the comments on YouTube, he's got plenty of fellow travellers who have read and believe the same stuff, many of whom are paranoid enough to think that some sort of a government conspiracy will make him and his family disappear.

An "Adverse reaction" from the Yellow Card system is anything from a sore arm, to a headache, to the rare thrombosis which we know has killed a few hundred people. Also anaphylaxis for some unlucky folk though I'm not sure if anybody has died after that or not as it is something which is specifically looked out for - it's why they ask you to hang around for 15 minutes after the jab. After my first dose of the AZ vaccine, I had a mild, persistent headache for a few weeks (not enough to take painkillers, mind) and saw a doctor a week after the vaccination as the information about the CVST clots was just being reported. He assured me that I'd really have known about it if it had been CVST so I shouldn't be worried. I was fine a few weeks later and haven't had similar symptoms after the first dose. Not sure whether or not the doctor reported my headache through the Yellow Card system or not, but he might well have done as it was certainly related to the vaccination. You also have to note that you don't need a doctor to make a Yellow Card report - anybody can do it. There's a web link which is easy to access. I didn't bother personally as I suspected it was just a temporary issue and was assured by my visit to the doctor.

Unfortunately, the policeman in question is somewhat confused about the Yellow Card system and the reporting of deaths - deaths reported through the Yellow Card system aren't certainly caused by the vaccination and, in the vast majority of cases, aren't. The policeman doesn't have a grasp of probability in large numbers. When you're vaccinating tens of millions of people, including elderly and those already seriously unwell, a significant number of people will drop dead within a number of days of vaccination from a multitude of causes. They would almost certainly have dropped dead in a similar manner from the same cause even if not vaccinated. However, a lot more would absolutely certainly have died following infection with Covid-19 if they hadn't been vaccinated.

Anyway, as the oncoming wave of infections continues to escalate, there was some other very unwelcome information published in a research preprint the other day. Brain scans of those before and after infection seem to show that Covid-19 is neurotropic - it shrinks parts of your brain. At a significant enough level that it could certainly explain the "brain fog" so many people report post-Covid:



Brain matter doesn't grow back, although it the brain is flexible enough to adapt. Raises the question as to whether repeated infections with future variants will lead to repeated neurotropism which would obviously be a massive issue? I presume these findings were based on pre-Delta infections but you'd assume that Delta will have similar effects to the earlier variants.

I wasn't previously too concerned about my young children potentially catching a respiratory virus which almost certainly wouldn't cause them any harm. Needless to say, I'm rather concerned about them catching a virus which could affect the development of their brains. And our government is doing literally nothing to try to halt the spread of the virus in our schools.

The evidence of some of the posters on here Maringer is that neurotropism has already affected people. Mainly the anti-vacxers, eh Humbo 😆

Quoted from Maringer

Skimmed through a few minutes of it (you expect me to waste 30 minutes without any sort of a precis of the contents?) and my thoughts are, "What a nutjob". He's obviously deep, deep into the anti-vaxx propaganda and needs to spend a bit less time on facebook.

Judging by the comments on YouTube, he's got plenty of fellow travellers who have read and believe the same stuff, many of whom are paranoid enough to think that some sort of a government conspiracy will make him and his family disappear.

An "Adverse reaction" from the Yellow Card system is anything from a sore arm, to a headache, to the rare thrombosis which we know has killed a few hundred people. Also anaphylaxis for some unlucky folk though I'm not sure if anybody has died after that or not as it is something which is specifically looked out for - it's why they ask you to hang around for 15 minutes after the jab. After my first dose of the AZ vaccine, I had a mild, persistent headache for a few weeks (not enough to take painkillers, mind) and saw a doctor a week after the vaccination as the information about the CVST clots was just being reported. He assured me that I'd really have known about it if it had been CVST so I shouldn't be worried. I was fine a few weeks later and haven't had similar symptoms after the first dose. Not sure whether or not the doctor reported my headache through the Yellow Card system or not, but he might well have done as it was certainly related to the vaccination. You also have to note that you don't need a doctor to make a Yellow Card report - anybody can do it. There's a web link which is easy to access. I didn't bother personally as I suspected it was just a temporary issue and was assured by my visit to the doctor.

Unfortunately, the policeman in question is somewhat confused about the Yellow Card system and the reporting of deaths - deaths reported through the Yellow Card system aren't certainly caused by the vaccination and, in the vast majority of cases, aren't. The policeman doesn't have a grasp of probability in large numbers. When you're vaccinating tens of millions of people, including elderly and those already seriously unwell, a significant number of people will drop dead within a number of days of vaccination from a multitude of causes. They would almost certainly have dropped dead in a similar manner from the same cause even if not vaccinated. However, a lot more would absolutely certainly have died following infection with Covid-19 if they hadn't been vaccinated.

Anyway, as the oncoming wave of infections continues to escalate, there was some other very unwelcome information published in a research preprint the other day. Brain scans of those before and after infection seem to show that Covid-19 is neurotropic - it shrinks parts of your brain. At a significant enough level that it could certainly explain the "brain fog" so many people report post-Covid:

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Brain matter doesn't grow back, although it the brain is flexible enough to adapt. Raises the question as to whether repeated infections with future variants will lead to repeated neurotropism which would obviously be a massive issue? I presume these findings were based on pre-Delta infections but you'd assume that Delta will have similar effects to the earlier variants.

I wasn't previously too concerned about my young children potentially catching a respiratory virus which almost certainly wouldn't cause them any harm. Needless to say, I'm rather concerned about them catching a virus which could affect the development of their brains. And our government is doing literally nothing to try to halt the spread of the virus in our schools.

The ex-policeman in question MikeSexton is a now a credible crime novelist, but I didn’t expect anything less slanderous from you then ‘Nutjob! The left really do have me in tears of laughter at times with their narrow mindedness, Can’t remember if it was you or someone with a similar mindset bringing pro-remain Russel Brand into a Brexit debate, as if he was the the voice of the people, a beacon of common sense, anti-establishment…. right on.
But wait he now has a youtube channel in which he question the vaccines roll out, especially for the young and healthy, question the real motives of big Pharma, anti-establishment yet he’s now being called a  nutjob, conspiracy theorist 😂

I love how you play down the reported deaths after taking the vaccine currently (Pfizer 421, AstraZeneca 885)  without ever questioning the so called Covid deaths that have since been found to be false. I will continue to take the dwindling number of Covid death seriously whilst at the same time an ever increasing amount of hospital admissions from the experimental vaccines, the ever increasing number of deaths from the experimental vaccines/ gene therapy.

You talk about nut jobs and conspiracy theorists yet you come on here and talk about shrinking brains as a credible Covid side effect, Wow!
You’ve blown me away, I’ve lost count at the amount of times you’ve criticised the Tory governments over the years, it’s fair to say you’re not a fan and yet here you are doing the government job spreading their fear mongering propaganda like some demented disciple, wow shrinking brains quick get the jabs based on a small study on (severe Covid) that’s yet to be peer reviewed wow.

You my friend are what’s described as conditioned! Toe the line swallowing the BS wether it’s global warming or COVID it doesn’t matter, when I read the book 1984 I remember thinking 1. it was excrement and 2. That  people are not that dumb they would never let a world like that develop, well I’ve been proven wrong. It’s supposed to be so called freedom day today and yet people are still walking around in their muzzles, we all know they don’t work our scientists know it, our Royals know it, heck even our leaders know it as they proved recently, but people still wear them why? because they’ve been told to.. baah

Now then regarding children you seem a bit muddled, firstly there is no evidence to say children are spreading the virus in schools or anywhere else. Not 1 teacher has taken a day off with COVID where my kids go. You seem ok with your children having the experimental gene therapy so that their brains won’t shrink wow, but you don’t mention the increasing reports of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart) in adolescence and young adults never mind before the rollout on our young children.
The medium or long term side effects are just not being considered this would be pure recklessness, we’ve seen it before with the dodgy swine flue vaccine rushed out and we ended up with over a thousand cases of devastating brain injury’s. The current evidence clearly shows that the risk v benefit calculation does not support pumping experimental chemicals into innocent kids.

So there you have it keep obeying, prepare for more lockdowns, and get ready for your booster jabs and ADE😕

Quoted from KingstonMariner

The evidence of some of the posters on here Maringer is that neurotropism has already affected people. Mainly the anti-vacxers, eh Humbo 😆

Never been antivax I’ve taken vaccines all my life.
Never been a sheep open my eyes all my life.
Freedom means having responsibility for our own life’s
Enjoy your time with Maringer in 1984😵‍💫

Humbercod, it doesn't interest me that this former policeman now writes stories for a living. So does Dan Brown but I wouldn't go looking to him for scientific analysis. Regardless of how well he can write a story, the ex-copper doesn't appear to have any real understanding of science or statistical analysis. Much like yourself, in fact, as you still seem to be confusing deaths reported through the Yellow Card system as being undoubtedly caused directly by the vaccines. They are not. Let me repeat, the vast majority of the deaths you are talking about will have nothing at all to do with the vaccination.

If you look at a substantial proportion of the population (and the older and less well cohorts, especially), a great many otherwise healthy people each year simply drop dead at any given moment due to natural causes i.e. congenital problems, undiagnosed illnesses, strokes, heart attacks, etc. These natural deaths are just background 'noise' when looking for serious side effects from vaccines or other medical treatments and the Yellow Card system is specifically there to look for underlying actual side-effects. Such as the very rare blood clots with the adenovirus vector vaccines which we know about and emerging signs that the mRNA vaccines can, on extremely rare occasions cause (usually treatable) events of myocarditis in young adults.

I'm surprised that you should dismiss out of hand the study (not yet peer reviewed, obviously) comparing scans which apparently shows neurotropism caused by Covid. Here's a link to that preprint, by the way:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.11.21258690v1.full.pdf

Note that the whole point of the UK Biobank project is, and I quote, "improving the prevention, diagnosis and treatment of a wide range of serious and life-threatening illnesses". This paper, seems to be an ideal use of the pre-Covid Biobank data and the findings seem pretty stark to me though, of course, we'll have to wait until it is peer reviewed before we can be absolutely sure. The authors are working for respected institutions, so safe to say it isn't a spurious paper aimed at gaining attention and funding, as so many are.

Have a quick skim through the paper and let me know your thoughts about it. You can just read the initial abstract. Ought to take you a few minutes. Take a look and have your say.

This is a novel coronavirus and we still don't know half of what it can do to some people despite the millions who have already died from it across the world and the millions still suffering the aftermath of the disease (around 1 million people with 'Long Covid' in the UK at present). The fact that we have vaccines which are still effective against the current variants is good news, but unless we can shut down transmission, it is only likely to be a matter of time before even more dangerous variants arrive. The absolute disinformation about the current vaccination programme from the conspiracy theorists out there is pretty shameful in my view.

My children are young enough that they'll not be getting any vaccine in the near future so that isn't a consideration at present. I am convinced that the mRNA vaccines are safe given that many hundreds of millions of doses have been given around the world and there have only been a vanishingly small number of problems reported. However, it wouldn't surprise me if young children ended up being given other vaccine types next year. We'll have to wait and see what happens in that regard.

Interesting you should lever 'Global warming' into the conversation for some unknown reason. We do have incontrovertible numerical evidence that warming is rapidly occurring and, heck, if you insist on relying on anecdote, just think back to all we've all seen over the past couple of decades. I do believe Anthropogenic Climate Change is occurring and the data is all on my side (not to mention the majority of scientists).

Putting that to one side, I'm rather baffled that you think there is no evidence that children are spreading the Delta variant in schools and then on into the community! Where are you getting your news from?

Here's the latest round of REACT-1 data:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/findings-from-covid-19-round-12-react-1-study-published

Here's a snippet from the report:

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prevalence is highest in 5 to 12 and 18 to 24 year olds, rising from 0.16% to 0.35% and from 0.10% to 0.36% respectively
prevalence in those aged 5 to 49 was 2.5 times higher at 0.20% compared with those aged 50 and above at 0.08%

Here's PHE from 3rd June:



Plenty of evidence out there for increasing numbers of outbreaks in schools to the extent I'm not going to bother doing your googling for you. Just have a quick search.

Latest Government data indicates Delta has a secondary attack rate around 41% higher than Alpha (discussion starts on page 26):

https://assets.publishing.serv.....ical_Briefing_15.pdf

With this in mind, of course children are catching and spreading the virus in schools and then taking it home!

The swine flu narcolepsy issues for one vaccine type were a sad situation. Thankfully, it doesn't appear that there is any similar signal with the mRNA vaccines that has appeared. Similarly, no evidence of ADE despite tens of thousands of confirmed reinfections which I'm sure you know. Luckily, work on SARS vaccine candidates showed the areas where ADE was most likely to occur and the development of the Covid-19 vaccines was carried out to avoid these.

The technology behind mRNA vaccines has been in development for decades so it's not such a big jump in reality, even if the timeline has been advanced by a few years due to the emergency of this pandemic. It's no coincidence that both Pfizer and Moderna were able to produce their mRNA vaccines pretty much at the same time. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear that CureVac's mRNA vaccine is effective enough (reported 47% efficacy in their recently-announced trial results) and it remains to be seen if the Sanofi mRNA vaccine works well enough or if the Chinese one works as well.

It's a real shame that Novavax have encountered manufacturing issues as their recombinant protein vaccine is a more standard type and it also seems to be very effective. I'm sort of hoping that this is the one I'll be given as a booster this autumn, but I'll be happy to take whichever one I'm given. I'll be very confident that it is several orders of magnitude safer than actually catching Covid.

P.S. The fact that you think taking a vaccine to help curtail a devastating global pandemic is somehow making the world '1984-ish' is really ridiculous. However, it's the sort of thing that people who get their news from certain places on facebook seem to think so I realise that debunking your various points probably won't make any difference to what you've persuaded yourself is the truth.

I prefer data and evidence personally, but each to their own.