Covid vaccine

Quoted from Humbercod

Besides you must have some serious issues to post about family members in this way just for a bit of click bait.  

Absolutely. Grief is a serious issue. It’s easier and perhaps preferable to distract, deflect and refocus on something more abstract, than deal with the awful pain of losing someone they love.

You may well be right and there may be more to it than meets the eye but, if I’m to be persuaded I’d be looking at a threshold of evidence more reliable than is available right now.

My personal view is that the risk of having the vaccine is significantly less than getting COVID-19. I suppose we each must make a decision that we’re comfortable with.

Quoted from Humbercod

More projections and modelling have any been proved correct yet?
The 4000 deaths a day projection has been my favourite so far😂

Correct.
Has any of the modelling been analyzed for accuracy??
One media story runs with the variant been the most transmissible ever then its no more transmissible than any other?

4000 deaths a day. If we didn't lockdown. Now, I know it's over a year ago now, but I'm pretty sure that I remember some sort of a lockdown thing occurring back in March 2020. Anybody else?

It's mind-numbing idiocy like this which made me give it a break on here last year.

The modelling said we could have 4000 deaths a day if we didn't lockdown. We locked down. There were over 1,000 deaths a day for some time. What is so fricking confusing about this that it could make anybody poo poo the modelling and, in their crystal ball, decide it must have been wrong?!? Was it something perhaps you read by written by some random bloke on facebook?

I see another quote from Humbercod earlier today, "Likewise all those elderly frail people on the wards all died of Covid so we were being told."

Well, yes, they did die of Covid-19. You can't imagine away the excess deaths figures in this country and all around the world since the start of 2020. Elderly frail folk don't suddenly start dying in much greater numbers than usual without good reason and then stop dying in greater numbers when they have been vaccinated. You're actually arguing against yourself with that comment which is even more idiotic! On the one hand, you're doing some anti-vaxx nonsense by scaremongering against the risks of the vaccines - going as far as to say "so called vaccine" and then, when it is pointed out that an elderly frail person who was vaccinated almost certainly died of natural causes because of the age and frailty, claim that this shows people weren't dying of Covid-19 in any case!

Illogical, doesn't even start to describe the way some people have got themselves thinking about this stuff.

I thought about being more polite in this post, but, to be honest, what would the point actually be? I can link to reasoned comments from experts in the field analysing publicly-available data, the validity of which is absolutely incontrovertible, until the cows come home. All that will happen is the contents of the post will be ignored and instead there will be some sort of risible nonsensical excrement regurgitated from the bowels of the internet.

Truth be told, I'm embarrassed that I've wasted my time on the dimwitted trolling. See ya.

Quoted from Humbercod

Feel free to point out the nonsense lab rat.

I’d just say any post made by you on this subject is likely to be full of it. It’s pointless being specific with you like Maringer has done. He’s presented loads of facts and evidence and you have no logical answer to any of it. You are either thick as pigs hit or are deliberately obtuse because it doesn’t suit your prejudice.

Hopefully the nonsense you spout won’t influence anyone hard of thinking.

Quoted from Stadium

Correct.
Has any of the modelling been analyzed for accuracy??
One media story runs with the variant been the most transmissible ever then its no more transmissible than any other?

How would you analyse the modelling for accuracy then Einstein?

As your second ‘sentence’, it doesn’t even make sense. It literally does not make sense.

The way I look at covid is that it is a known killer and when it came out nobody knew anything about it. It could kill people directly or indirectly and there was no known cure.

10/12 months later along comes vaccinations to help. So now we have a personal choice to have a 2 part jab or not.

Consider the analogy that you have to run through 10 feet (3 meters) of white heat fire to save your life. The likelyhood is that you may die in the heat but then comes along a heat-protective suite that's up to 95% effective. Do you not bother to put the suit on and hope for the best, or put some of it on just in case it might help, or do you fully protect yourself in the knowledge that you will more than likely survive?

Unfortunately, some people will still die with covid or reaction to the vaccine, but as more people are vaccinated the less the percentage that die will decrease.

Quoted from Maringer

4000 deaths a day. If we didn't lockdown. Now, I know it's over a year ago now, but I'm pretty sure that I remember some sort of a lockdown thing occurring back in March 2020. Anybody else?

It's mind-numbing idiocy like this which made me give it a break on here last year.

The modelling said we could have 4000 deaths a day if we didn't lockdown. We locked down. There were over 1,000 deaths a day for some time. What is so fricking confusing about this that it could make anybody poo poo the modelling and, in their crystal ball, decide it must have been wrong?!? Was it something perhaps you read by written by some random bloke on facebook?

UK statistics authority
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54831334.amp

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Isee another quote from Humbercod earlier today, "Likewise all those elderly frail people on the wards all died of Covid so we were being told."

Well, yes, they did die of Covid-19.

Sorry to urine on your bonfire but you’re wrong again! We already had 1 urgent review being carried out after scientists rightly claimed our death figures have been greatly exaggerated...being run over by a bus with a positive test does not mean you died of Covid.

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experts in the field analysing publicly-available data, the validity of which is absolutely incontrovertible, until the cows come home.

Unsurprisingly naivety once again...the likes of Safe and WHO are being proven wrong time and time again with their models and false predictions. You’ve probably quoted Neil Ferguson on here at some point😂  

For someone who is so anti-Tory it does make me smile the way you tow the Mat Hancock line😀

Quoted from KingstonMariner

How would you analyse the modelling for accuracy then Einstein?

As your second ‘sentence’, it doesn’t even make sense. It literally does not make sense.

Don't really understand your first response???
Maybe compare the predicted modelling to actual figures which have been published
i.e.:
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-innacuracoes-in-the-sage-models/

As for the second part, its quite simple really:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/india-variant-dominant-chris-whitty-b1847808.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne.....sts-say-cases-india/

https://delano.lu/d/detail/news/indian-variant-no-more-dangerous/214558

Quoted from Stadium

Don't really understand your first response???
Maybe compare the predicted modelling to actual figures which have been published
i.e.:
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/the-innacuracoes-in-the-sage-models/

As for the second part, its quite simple really:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/india-variant-dominant-chris-whitty-b1847808.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne.....sts-say-cases-india/

https://delano.lu/d/detail/news/indian-variant-no-more-dangerous/214558

Have you actually read any of that and used critical thinking?

None of it explains your nonsensical sentence in the previous post.

And you haven’t answered the second question either. I suspect you can’t. You can’t even put a dimple sentence together let alone explain the case you’re trying to make. Putting a bunch of random links together isn’t making the case. I’ll take the British medical and scientific establishment over the crap you spout any day.

It would be great if you anti-vaxxers and Covid sceptics  would all gather on an island, we could leave you with a few variants of the virus and see how you got on, wondering who was going to get ill next, who was going to die and who would suffer uncertain long-term ill health. You’re all so confident you know what you’re talking about.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Have you actually read any of that and used critical thinking?

None of it explains your nonsensical sentence in the previous post.

And you haven’t answered the second question either. I suspect you can’t. You can’t even put a dimple sentence together let alone explain the case you’re trying to make. Putting a bunch of random links together isn’t making the case. I’ll take the British medical and scientific establishment over the crap you spout any day.

It would be great if you anti-vaxxers and Covid sceptics  would all gather on an island, we could leave you with a few variants of the virus and see how you got on, wondering who was going to get ill next, who was going to die and who would suffer uncertain long-term ill health. You’re all so confident you know what you’re talking about.

Oh dear,you seem somewhat rattled.
" You can’t even put a dimple sentence together"  
Please point out were I've stated anti vaccine or portraying covid sceptic tendencies?
Unfortunately you seem to rather blinkered and unable to see all sides of the debate & resort to childish insults.
I've provided evidence to both of your points,I'm sorry if your struggling to understand.