Covid vaccine

Interesting thoigh, as I’ve said before, those telling the folk that have been sceptical that we should look at the science, listen to the experts yet when experts come out and say things like this people’s are silent or ignore it…

"Follow the science" is similar to "levelling up and building back better" or "Brexit means Brexit" in that it's just a simple catchphrase thought up by a bunch of advisers but ultimately massively vague. Science is a cacophony of theories which get proven and disproven back and forth as time goes by. Like anything, the internet makes it more murky and confusing as you can find pretty much any science to follow which falls in line with your own motivations, prejudices and politics. And that seemingly includes members of SAGE as well as youtube video producers.

Ultimately it's a big clusterfuck of confusion and all you can do really is hope you're doing the right thing.

Quoted from Manchester Mariner

"Follow the science" is similar to "levelling up and building back better" or "Brexit means Brexit" in that it's just a simple catchphrase thought up by a bunch of advisers but ultimately massively vague. Science is a cacophony of theories which get proven and disproven back and forth as time goes by. Like anything, the internet makes it more murky and confusing as you can find pretty much any science to follow which falls in line with your own motivations, prejudices and politics. And that seemingly includes members of SAGE as well as youtube video producers.

Ultimately it's a big clusterfuck of confusion and all you can do really is hope you're doing the right thing.

Bob on MM.

I wear a mask when asked because it's just easier than standing and having a philosophical debate about the merits or otherwise of wearing one. It's no hardship and I wear one for work most days anyway.


I'm not convinced they do a lot, other than give people reassurance, but there's nothing wrong with that.

Quoted from Humbercod

Agree and so do many experts.

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"Surgical masks, once put on are never touched again, ever..."

Oops! Is she telling me the flimsy masks we have hanging from the gearstick for convenience, that we keep endlessly touching and adjusting and touching some more and pulling down a bit and have gone round Aldi a few dozen times won't cut the mustard?

These dissenting views from experts and GP's and people equally qualified as the Sage experts have been around from day one, but they scarcely get a mention at all in the MSM, and you have to wonder why that is. I was surprised to see the sceptical article quoted a few posts ago appear in the Daily Telegraph to be honest, but perhaps they will start appearing now.

It was too late coming but I think the recent G7 gave the game away when they were filmed laughing and joking without a mask in sight. Similarly how Boris thought he could get away with not isolating after being "pinged" is beyond parody. Mind you, also beyond parody is someone who has had a bad dose of covid, and has since had 2 jabs and still has to self isolate! Insane.

Every bloody day it's fear, fear and more fear. The latest example is that if covid doesn't get us, then the forthcoming flu epidemic will, or any other respiratory illness they care to mention. What they don't seem to say though is that we have had this very same scenario every winter since Adam was a lad, but some winters are worse than others. What I do know is that with vaccines and modern medicines we are likely to live to a greater age than our forebears so let's just enjoy it.

If you choose to reuse single use masks that is user error and not masks not working isn’t it?

Quoted from LH

If you choose to reuse single use masks that is user error and not masks not working isn’t it?

It is in a way but how many people put a new mask on each time they go out?

In any event, as the Telegraph piece pointed out, the microscopic covid particles can easily get through the holes in the masks, brand new or not.

Ginny's point about them being a re-assurance for some people is a good one, but on the other hand you have the added complications of some people finding it difficult to communicate with masks, finding it difficult to hear what is being said, and the health risks of wearing masks that are not, shall we say, straight from the wrapping, and I think that GP said she has to treat children with anxiety problems because of mask-wearing.

It will be interesting from tomorrow to see the percentage of people who will continue to wear them.

Quoted from LH

If you choose to reuse single use masks that is user error and not masks not working isn’t it?

What about those who bought those waste of time cloth masks but never wash them?

I’ve literally had the same disposable mask since last august…on the rare occasion it’s been used I’m well aware it serves no purpose.

User error or not, given the capitalist greed and inflated prices of masks, particularly the ones that acruslly work, you have to forgive people for not wanting to spend the money…if masks and wearing one was so imperative perhaps they could’ve provided those for free…they managed 37bn to folk to set up an app that doesn’t work…

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

"Surgical masks, once put on are never touched again, ever..."

Oops! Is she telling me the flimsy masks we have hanging from the gearstick for convenience, that we keep endlessly touching and adjusting and touching some more and pulling down a bit and have gone round Aldi a few dozen times won't cut the mustard?

These dissenting views from experts and GP's and people equally qualified as the Sage experts have been around from day one, but they scarcely get a mention at all in the MSM, and you have to wonder why that is. I was surprised to see the sceptical article quoted a few posts ago appear in the Daily Telegraph to be honest, but perhaps they will start appearing now.

It was too late coming but I think the recent G7 gave the game away when they were filmed laughing and joking without a mask in sight. Similarly how Boris thought he could get away with not isolating after being "pinged" is beyond parody.

Every bloody day it's fear, fear and more fear. The latest example is that if covid doesn't get us, then the forthcoming flu epidemic will, or any other respiratory illness they care to mention. What they don't seem to say though is that we have had this very same scenario every winter since Adam was a lad, but some winters are worse than others. What I do know is that with vaccines and modern medicines we are likely to live to a greater age than our forebears so let's just enjoy it.

You mean to tell me I’m not the only one with this scruffy ill-fitting mask hanging from my gear stick 😂

The world has changed for the worse no doubt, I just hope one day we can all return to the days before fear and endless restrictions. But you’re right Lew, lets all try to enjoy life!  A simple message that’s been metaphorically buried (were only here for a visit as Alan Brazil would say). But deep down I think many of us sadly now expect that the worse is yet to come, and by that I’m talking more Government/social control. So with that in mind It’s no time for a hermit life, it’s time to pack some extra bottles of Rioja for my upcoming camping trip and enjoy the rest of summer as much as I possible can, and maybe, hopefully even see Town get off to a flyer.

Quoted from aldi_01

What about those who bought those waste of time cloth masks but never wash them?

I’ve literally had the same disposable mask since last august…on the rare occasion it’s been used I’m well aware it serves no purpose.

User error or not, given the capitalist greed and inflated prices of masks, particularly the ones that acruslly work, you have to forgive people for not wanting to spend the money…if masks and wearing one was so imperative perhaps they could’ve provided those for free…they managed 37bn to folk to set up an app that doesn’t work…

Reusing a cloth mask would still be user error though wouldn’t it? The whole reason they phased masks in was due to capitalist greed/supply and demand. If they’d said from the off that everyone would need them quickly they’d have all gone and the prices for making them sky rocketing. None are 100% effective but it was never said they were.

Unfortunately, it appears that Dr Axon doesn't know what he's talking about:



Prof Noakes specialises in research into airborne pathogens and infections and is a Sage member because of this expertise. Dr Axon doesn't and also doesn't advise Sage, either. He's been co-author of one paper sent to them, unlike Prof Noakes.

The real experts all agree that decent marks reduce your chance of contracting the virus a little (rising to a lot if you're using an FFP2/FFP3 mask), but reduce the chance of you infecting others by a lot. In Germany, most people wear FFP2 masks and their infection rates certainly seem a lot lower than ours. Of course, their government isn't pursuing an idiotic 'herd immunity via infection' scheme, either.