Brexit deal agreed

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A little reminder while waiting for the Brexit benefit list....

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You do know we had a global pandemic?  We have an energy crisis? How’s the EU doing?

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You do know we had a global pandemic?  We have an energy crisis? How’s the EU doing?

Ah right.
So if COVID hadn't occured or an energy crisis all those facts stated would have been true?
Nice deflection tactic on "how's the EU doing"

Keep looking for the list though.

I suppose the pound slumping to an all time low against the dollar is because of the pandemic as well. And not the markets showing they have no confidence in this government or our economy.

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Absolutely spot on, Hydrogen is the most sustainable option and billions are being invested into the infrastructure. Gas mains are being replaced at at rapid rate to allow 100% Hydrogen to flow throw the gas networks within the next 5-10 years. Check out the Ellesmere port hydrogen village project for anyone interested as to what the future will be.

Update… Grimsby or Scunthorpe have been shortlisted for the country’s first Hydrogen town. Great news for the area.

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Update… Grimsby or Scunthorpe have been shortlisted for the country’s first Hydrogen town. Great news for the area.

That is good news. There was chatter about making the Humber the renewable energy hub a few years ago, I hope this is something that is expanded on and sees the area get the investment it needs.

The question, is where do they get the hydrogen from? Bear in mind that the vast majority of hydrogen at present is produced via steam reformation of natural gas. If the hydrogen to be blended into the natural gas pipes is reformed from natural gas, it will actually be a waste of energy and will emit more CO2 into the atmosphere because carbon capture still isn't a thing.

Due to the losses incurred in creation and storage, Hydrogen is only a good energy storage medium if you have massive excess of carbon-free energy from renewable (or nuclear) and need somewhere to store the energy in large quantities. The technology for this doesn't exist quite yet, though there are some more efficient hydrolysis methods being developed and research into storage continues apace.

Ultimately, we'd be much, much better off building a load of new Nuclear power stations and moving wholesale to use electricity for heating, alongside massive public investment in heat pumps and insulation. We're likely to have decades of burning our way through more natural gas before we get to a stage where 'Green' hydrogen has much of an impact. The Small Modular Reactors under development would be useful for local heat generation as well as electricity but, again, I think these are too many years away to be as effective as just going big for conventional large reactors straight away. We don't need to build EPRs which are massively over-engineered and still really under development. Plenty of other reactor types are cheaper and just as effective, but unfortunately, it's not likely to happen.

The problem is that Government energy policy is effectively run by the oil companies so no chance of this happening and the climate will continue to go down the shitter because of it.

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The question, is where do they get the hydrogen from?

https://www.nationalgrid.com/gas-transmission/document/138181/download

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Ultimately, we'd be much, much better off building a load of new Nuclear power stations and moving wholesale to use electricity.

The problem is that Government energy policy is effectively run by the oil companies so no chance of this happening and the climate will continue to go down the shitter

Nuclear power stations should be an option it’s just the time scale.
From what I was told today they are aiming to have hydrogen in the town or Scunthorpe within 8 years, blended up to 20% before going full 100% after a few years. This will mean everybody’s gas appliances will need converting or replacing, the gas appliance manufacturers would need to start producing their new appliances hydrogen ready soon after the announcement.

Wholesale electric wouldn’t work without massive infrastructure change and again it’s about the time, a lot of the network is already nearing full capacity and if everybody went full electric to power their homes and cars the national grid would simply blow.

I think the oil company’s are realising they’re on borrowed time the likes of Shell and BP are already committing to Hydrogen with massive investments.

https://www.shell.com/media/ne.....-hydrogen-plant.html

https://www.bp.com/en/global/c.....ydrogen-project.html

The boiler manufacturers are already on it, the next gen of boilers are being designed with a mandate that they can swap the gas train etc to run on pure hydrogen within 30 minutes.  That way, they can switch off the gas main to a street, send a group of engineers in at 6am and have all the houses ready to run on hydrogen at 6pm, then switch on the hydrogen main to that street.  That's their ideal world scenario for a rollout.  In a few years time expect the smart meter adverts to stop, and the 'smart boiler' adverts to begin to push everyone towards it.

Most of the boilers entering the market currently only need a new PCB and gas valve to swap over anyway, they just want a fast process to work to.

Problem is that current pipework simply isn't capable of supplying 100% hydrogen gas, even if we had it available to use. It is possible to blend in some hydrogen into the methane we currently use, but over a certain proportion, it will begin to escape the pipework, embrittle metal fittings etc and cause the danger of leaks. We're talking about an explosive, odourless gas here which burns with an almost invisible flame in daylight.

I'm pretty sure the 'Hydrogen town' concept is little more than greenwashing by the oil/gas supply companies.

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Problem is that current pipework simply isn't capable of supplying 100% hydrogen gas, even if we had it available to use. It is possible to blend in some hydrogen into the methane we currently use, but over a certain proportion, it will begin to escape the pipework, embrittle metal fittings etc and cause the danger of leaks. We're talking about an explosive, odourless gas here which burns with an almost invisible flame in daylight.

I'm pretty sure the 'Hydrogen town' concept is little more than greenwashing by the oil/gas supply companies.

I have to agree tbh, you'd have thought ever since the early zeppelin disasters we'd have given up on Hydrogen as an idea for domestic houses.....