Brexit

Quoted from LH

Sorry Scrumble but I think retired bus driver Pete knows more about pharmaceuticals and trade deals than prospective government officials.

For your information LH I have worked for 44 years only 3 as a bus driver, over 20 years in Local Government and retired on a good pension at the age of 59,

So not as thick as you make out.

Novartis pharmaceutical site will be closing in Grimsby, UK, with the loss of 400 jobs. The Grimsby site making a £6.5 million profit in the year its closure was announced.

https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/closing-novartis-plant-returns-65m-16972503

NHS/Government should buy the whole site and manufacture generic drugs at cost price, save the NHS a fortune. Keep as many of the talented Scientists already there, expand and increase employment in Grimsby. Develop research facilities to produce ground breaking new drugs, which can be sold for profit to other countries before the 20-year patent duration run out.

You'll get that with a Labour government! Link with more information

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

Who the fook would want to buy the nhs ? Surely it’s not an attractive proposition especially with our country’s growing , ageing and generally shi.te lifestyle and health ?

I think it is more to do with obtaining lucrative contracts to supply the NHS rather than buying it per se. Still probably find a buyer quicker for the NHS than Town though .

The highlighted point in your comment above is probably why medical companies in the US are rubbing their hands in glee if the NHS was "on the table" in any post brexit trade deal.

Quoted from Maringer

Just to add, if you trust Johnson on pretty much anything you're barmy as he's practically a pathological liar. During this campaign he's continually repeated the absolutely untrue claims of 40 new hospitals in planning:

https://fullfact.org/health/six-hospitals-not-forty/

Outright, blatant and untrue disinformation. A pity that the BBC have apparently decided that they don't want to call him a liar because it would, "undermine trust in British politics". Unbelievable.

For felicitations sake are you just incredibly naive or just plain stupid, most political leaders are pathological liars.

Tony Blair lied about not bringing in tuition fees, he lied about the expected number of EU migrants coming into the UK when he opened the flood gates saying they expected 15,000 when nearly 100,000 came in in the first year alone.. He lied about weapons of mass destruction taking the UK into an illegal war costing the lives of hundreds of UK service men and women as well as possibly hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in the Middle East as well as costing the UK billions of pounds and also likely causing the rise of ISIS.

John Major was a hypocritical lying little excrement when he tried to force his "back to basics" platform on his MPs when he had been cheating on his wife by shagging Edwina Currie. The little girl private also prorogued Parliament in 1997 to prevent a report into Cash for Questions being debated by Parliament yet actively tried to stop BJ's prorogation of Parliament.

Gordon Brown lied about giving the electorate a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty and British jobs for British workers.

Nick Clegg lied about not voting for a rise in tuition fees.

David Camoron lied about getting a good deal from the EU, he lied about staying on as PM and seeing through Brexit, he lied about Parliament not stopping the will of the people if the vote was to leave the EU.

Theresa May lied countless times about the date we would leave the EU.

Jeremy Corbyn comes up with a new idea just about every day which will cost the UK billions yet has no idea how to pay for it, he promised at the last election to deal with student debt but had no idea how to pay for it, he said he has dealt with anti-seminism in his party but is still lying about that.

Anyone who believes any politician needs their head seeing to.

And I'm no fan of Boris Johnson either.

Quoted from grimsby pete

You are the idiot if you think Corbyn will not bankrupt  the country with his silly policies.

At our age Pete do we really give a excrement? And please don't give me the 'what about our grandchildren' crap. If you were that bothered about them (and their kids) after we have gone, you wouldn't have voted to leave the EU

Bet you were glad about the availablity of the drugs and painkillers when you had your knee done, I know I was after my four ops and during my chemotherapy

Quoted from Ipswin

At our age Pete do we really give a excrement? And please don't give me the 'what about our grandchildren' crap. If you were that bothered about them (and their kids) after we have gone, you wouldn't have voted to leave the EU

Bet you were glad about the availablity of the drugs and painkillers when you had your knee done, I know I was after my four ops and during my chemotherapy

Just to prove to everybody on here we do not agree with everything,

Stop scaremongering Swin we will get our drugs and a deal,

Like somebody just said they are all liars and Boris is no different if we do not have a deal by the end of next year we will extend the transition period until we do.

and don't you dare say I DO NOT CARE ABOUT MY GRANDKIDS. FFS

They are not 'all liars' and false equivalence like that is why we end up with a Prime Minister who can't even face up to the consequences of his party's austerity on the NHS:

Quoted from arryarryarry

For felicitations sake are you just incredibly naive or just plain stupid, most political leaders are pathological liars.

Well, no. No they aren't.

Many of those you mention (regardless of party) changed some of their plans due to various events but did they start off their time in office with nothing but endless lies and misdirection? No - or at least certainly not to the same degree that Johnson has. Blair, for all his many flaws, actually carried out the promised investment in the economy after the slash and burn of the Thatcher/Major era. The higher levels of EU immigration were not expected but it was (rightly) seen as a positive for the economy so nothing was done about it. A policy continued by the Tory governments since 2010 for all their bluster otherwise. Blair's problems with veracity were mainly to do with his desire to follow the Yanks to war, something which let's not forget the Tory opposition were in complete lockstep with. On the other hand May didn't deliberately lie about her timetable for 'Brexit', she just foolishly assumed that her party would back the deal on the table once negotiated and her catastrophic failure in calling the 2017 election meant she had no majority to force it through. On the other hand, Johnson lied about promising to leave the EU by the end of October when it was obvious it couldn't happen (and wouldn't have been sensible). He told the lies because that's what he does (and has since lied that parliament thwarted Brexit when it was him who withdrew the bill) and because he was beginning his campaign early.

Johnson's record of dissembling in just a few months in office (and throughout his time in government) is absolutely unparalleled. He's spent a career being dishonest and acting dishonestly both in and out of politics but has risen to the top through a combination of privilege and by creating a persona which somehow let him get away with a lack of seriousness or any interest in the truth. The fact that we find him as our Prime Minister shows the depths to which the Tory Party and their membership have descended. The fact that he seems likely to be returned as PM says much more about the electorate taking all the crap pushed by the media at face value. Not all politicians lie, but most of the media does or at least disseminates the lies without countering them. Why has nobody at the BBC called Johnson a liar? He's a proven liar, he does it all the time, he's lied throughout the campaign yet all we get are sideways questions about dishonesty and trustworthiness - which he then ignores!

Incidentally, the Labour Party has costed their manifesto and, as I have noted previously, there is no reason it can't be affordable given it will only take our government spending as a percentage of GDP to slightly above that of the OECD average. The IFS disagrees that Labour will be able to get the tax receipts they expect, but then the IFS has ideological leanings of their own which assume that there is no alternative to the status quo. They also quite happily admit that they "don't do macroeconomics" which mean that their estimates of the effect of increased government spending on tax receipts and growth in the economy means they are likely to be way out in their analysis.

P.S. I'm neither incredibly naive nor plain stupid. Try to keep the debate polite.

Quoted from Maringer

Well, no. No they aren't.

Many of those you mention (regardless of party) changed some of their plans due to various events but did they start off their time in office with nothing but endless lies and misdirection? No - or at least certainly not to the same degree that Johnson has. Blair, for all his many flaws, actually carried out the promised investment in the economy after the slash and burn of the Thatcher/Major era. The higher levels of EU immigration were not expected but it was (rightly) seen as a positive for the economy so nothing was done about it. A policy continued by the Tory governments since 2010 for all their bluster otherwise. Blair's problems with veracity were mainly to do with his desire to follow the Yanks to war, something which let's not forget the Tory opposition were in complete lockstep with. On the other hand May didn't deliberately lie about her timetable for 'Brexit', she just foolishly assumed that her party would back the deal on the table once negotiated and her catastrophic failure in calling the 2017 election meant she had no majority to force it through. On the other hand, Johnson lied about promising to leave the EU by the end of October when it was obvious it couldn't happen (and wouldn't have been sensible). He told the lies because that's what he does (and has since lied that parliament thwarted Brexit when it was him who withdrew the bill) and because he was beginning his campaign early.

Johnson's record of dissembling in just a few months in office (and throughout his time in government) is absolutely unparalleled. He's spent a career being dishonest and acting dishonestly both in and out of politics but has risen to the top through a combination of privilege and by creating a persona which somehow let him get away with a lack of seriousness or any interest in the truth. The fact that we find him as our Prime Minister shows the depths to which the Tory Party and their membership have descended. The fact that he seems likely to be returned as PM says much more about the electorate taking all the crap pushed by the media at face value. Not all politicians lie, but most of the media does or at least disseminates the lies without countering them. Why has nobody at the BBC called Johnson a liar? He's a proven liar, he does it all the time, he's lied throughout the campaign yet all we get are sideways questions about dishonesty and trustworthiness - which he then ignores!

Incidentally, the Labour Party has costed their manifesto and, as I have noted previously, there is no reason it can't be affordable given it will only take our government spending as a percentage of GDP to slightly above that of the OECD average. The IFS disagrees that Labour will be able to get the tax receipts they expect, but then the IFS has ideological leanings of their own which assume that there is no alternative to the status quo. They also quite happily admit that they "don't do macroeconomics" which mean that their estimates of the effect of increased government spending on tax receipts and growth in the economy means they are likely to be way out in their analysis.

P.S. I'm neither incredibly naive nor plain stupid. Try to keep the debate polite.

Maringer are you sure you can not manage a 4 day week ?