Brexit

Well put Town Monkey, what you say reflects my position also, although i am semi retired and work as much or as little as i choose, so it won't affect me much. I'm a socialist remainer and leaving Europe under a Tory government with a large majority is as far from what i desired as is possible but i accept the situation as we all have to in a democratic society. Just hope everyone comes out of this ok.  

I live in a very nice area of Suffolk just outside Bury St Edmunds which has been conservative for years.

It's a world away from Grimsby and the like as investment has been coming to the area for years hence there are always plenty of work about.

Now Grimsby has gone blue maybe some investment and prosperity will come to my home town.

Starting with a new football ground and Freeman St being updated at long last.

Quoted from carrot top

Labour should have gone with the people in their heartlands and stated that they would honour the Brexit referendum and fight for a deal. They have quite simply been their own worst enemy
There were other issues with them though - Corbyn's past, for example showing sympathy for terrorist groups did not go down well with many together with anti-semitism issues

I made a similar point earlier, I am not a Labour supporter but it is plain to see where they went wrong, of course Jeremy Corbyn himself was a problem as many Labour MPs have said but in those seats especially in the North where the Tories have won, Labour completely ignored those leave voters, many went to the Tories but many who would never vote Tory went to the Brexit Party resulting in many red seats turning blue.

Just confirms my thoughts about many in politics, too many running these parties are brain dead.

Quoted from Bawmariner

Education is not necessarily a measure of intelligence but it is a determinant of income meaning that more educated people have better mobility. Look at the statistics. The majority of people with degrees and other high level qualifications voted to remain.

Brexiters should be a bit more humble in 'victory'. Democracy is famously topsy turvy and the shoe will be on the other foot one day. I hope when that day comes I will remember times when I have felt the disappointment of being on the 'losing' side.

Ah the hypocrisy to say "Brexiters should be a bit more humble in 'victory'." when remoaners were far from accepting they lost in the referendum, democracy only works when the losing side accepts they lost and remoaners never did.

Maybe if you didn't try to claim "Remainers tend to be more educated. I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of people leaving the country." leave voters would be humble in 'victory' although I don't see this as a victory myself considering the underhanded tactics of those who have tried to undermine democracy and thwart the will of the people since 2016.

What I do see as a victory is the will of voters who didn't give up on what they wanted and instead of giving up, although voting numbers were well down considering the numbers turning out for 2016 referendum they stuck with their principles and Labour paid the cost for not listening to their core voters.

Do we need another people's vote, or are those who lost going to accept that this time or continue with the hysterics we have seen from remoaners since 2016.

At least 3 people I manage out of 24 engineers have degrees and whilst they have achieved a level of education I might not be able to gain, they have no common sense and struggle to adapt or improvise to achieve more practical aspects of work. So it would be no loss to me whatsoever if they decided to leave the country. In fact one of them has the lowest performance in the team and when I have 1-2-1 meetings with him he always has a clever answer but at the end of the day he is excrement and all his degree is glitter.

Quoted from Stevie Cammack

Yep.  I can already visualise the slack jaws hanging around Scunny job centre after Brexit is 'delivered' (am I ever sick of hearing that to55er Johnson coming out with this disingenuous crap), when they realise that the streets are not now suddenly paved with gold, their lives are not improved a jot, and we have just given license to the ultimate silver-spoon Tory to grind us further in to the dirt for half a decade.  

Quite how Labours strategists managed to agree that officially ignoring a Democratic vote result (with a monster turn-out) and holding another one was a sound idea to bang in to the Manifesto is anyone's guess.  

What an absolute shambles.

Visualise slack jawed hanging around Scunny job centre, the slack jawed locals must be burned into your memory as going through Scumthorpe it is all you see.

Regarding the loss of the so-called 'Red Wall' seats (who invented that moniker, by the way? Never heard it mentioned until the past week), these two pics are very telling.

The top 7 of out 10 poorest regions in North West Europe are in the UK:



And this is how far behind the average for the rest of the EU that they are. Note how much worse things have got since 2008 in the North East, Lincolnshire and South Yorkshire:



Notice anything about where these poorest regions lie in comparison to yesterday's swing to the "Get Brexit Done" Tories?

The fact is that the areas which back leave so heavily are also the poorest, left-behind areas. The EU is not responsible for this poverty and I don't think anybody has ever claimed it is but it is understandable that a protest would occur somewhere and this election is just the follow up to the referendum. I personally think Brexit is a very bad idea in principle and will hit the country financially (as do economic analysts and forecasters). However, these charts are a good indication of why there is such passion for Brexit in these areas - they've got the least to lose and it is certainly one way to get voices heard.

Now, regardless of that it should be noted that the parties which explicitly backed Leave in this election gained approximately 47% of the vote, so the claims that it shows there is now a clear mandate for Brexit isn't true. However, we'll now go ahead with Johnson's crappy Brexit withdrawal agreement (universally acknowledged as being worse than May's which he did so much to defeat) at the end of January and then see what happens during the transition period. I'd imagine he'll fold like a pack of cards and agree to most of the EU's demands if he tries to rush through a trade deal by the end of 2020. The alternative would be going cap in hand to the Yanks who would then have us over a barrel. Don't know about you, but I don't fancy chlorine-washed chicken (because the US hygiene standards are so lax) or beef pumped full of growth hormone, all washed down with massive amounts of antibiotics fed to livestock over there. Better the devil you know in this case, especially as the EU are our largest and by far the nearest trading partners.

Note: I started to write this about 10.00am but have only just finished it and haven't looked on the thread since then. No idea what I've missed in the interim.

Quoted from Maringer

Regarding the loss of the so-called 'Red Wall' seats (who invented that moniker, by the way? Never heard it mentioned until the past week), these two pics are very telling.

The top 7 of out 10 poorest regions in North West Europe are in the UK:



And this is how far behind the average for the rest of the EU that they are. Note how much worse things have got since 2008 in the North East, Lincolnshire and South Yorkshire:



Notice anything about where these poorest regions lie in comparison to yesterday's swing to the "Get Brexit Done" Tories?

The fact is that the areas which back leave so heavily are also the poorest, left-behind areas. The EU is not responsible for this poverty and I don't think anybody has ever claimed it is but it is understandable that a protest would occur somewhere and this election is just the follow up to the referendum. I personally think Brexit is a very bad idea in principle and will hit the country financially (as do economic analysts and forecasters). However, these charts are a good indication of why there is such passion for Brexit in these areas - they've got the least to lose and it is certainly one way to get voices heard.

Now, regardless of that it should be noted that the parties which explicitly backed Leave in this election gained approximately 47% of the vote, so the claims that it shows there is now a clear mandate for Brexit isn't true. However, we'll now go ahead with Johnson's crappy Brexit withdrawal agreement (universally acknowledged as being worse than May's which he did so much to defeat) at the end of January and then see what happens during the transition period. I'd imagine he'll fold like a pack of cards and agree to most of the EU's demands if he tries to rush through a trade deal by the end of 2020. The alternative would be going cap in hand to the Yanks who would then have us over a barrel. Don't know about you, but I don't fancy chlorine-washed chicken (because the US hygiene standards are so lax) or beef pumped full of growth hormone, all washed down with massive amounts of antibiotics fed to livestock over there. Better the devil you know in this case, especially as the EU are our largest and by far the nearest trading partners.

Note: I started to write this about 10.00am but have only just finished it and haven't looked on the thread since then. No idea what I've missed in the interim.

Perhaps the people in those areas were/are drunk of with thousands of EU migrants coming into their areas seeing houses, jobs, doctors surgeries, school places being taken over.

Plus it doesn't say much for Jeremy Corbyn and his far left views if die hard Labour voters abandoned their party.

So what Maringer (remoaner) is saying our region is amongst the poorest in Europe, no excrement sherlock, driving around Town you would be seeing that for decades ever since the EU copulated us up with fishing quotas.

All you are doing now is posting that the people made the right choice to leave the EU and rid our Town of Labour for the next 5 years.

Yet again Brexit comprehensively rejected...

...in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Johnson's speech referred to a parliament that works for all, and one nation conservatism. Which nation is that? One with no customs borders within it?

Will the Conservative and Unionist Party be the party that breaks the Union? Hopefully Boris has been lying again, the liberal Boris, that was London major, is the real Boris and Brexit will get done but softened...

Quoted from Marinerz93

our region is amongst the poorest in Europe, no excrement sherlock, driving around Town you would be seeing that for decades ever since the EU copulated us up with fishing quotas.

All you are doing now is posting that the people made the right choice to leave the EU .

And you are really daft enough to expect that will change ?

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