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jock dock tower
August 13, 2015, 7:39am
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If Corbyn wins the New Labour apparatchiks are finished. Their neo liberal politics that resonate far more with Tory voters than they do with anyone else will be consigned to the dustbin of history.

What would they then do? They couldn't do an SDP and leave the party to form another one as the Tories already hold that ground. Would they stay and argue in an attempt to try and win back power? I don't know, it would be total anathema for them to see a revitalised Labour Party (who would then have a genuine chance of fighting back in Scotland) arguing for the social democratis / socialist cause. Odds on you'd get more than one "cross the floor" at Westminster, and then things really would get interesting......


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surely who leads the party doesn't actually matter to Grimbarians

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August 14, 2015, 6:47am

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He will need to come out and answer these questions of being anti Semitic to stand any chance.


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He will need to come out and answer these questions of being anti Semitic to stand any chance.


The idea that Corbyn is anti-semitic is ludicrous. Calling Hezbollah and Hamas 'friends' as a catch-all when hosting a conference aimed at helping find peace in the middle east is pretty obvious and only the most one-eyed fool would think he actually meant it literally and not figuratively. In the C4 interview with Guru-Murthy (who made a complete mammary of himself), he says as much.

I understand that the Jewish Chronicle, a newspaper with a distinct right-wing bent whose editor writes articles for a selection of right-wing newspapers is always making baseless claims about Corbyn but then what else would you expect?

Here's the videos of the hustings from the Jewish Centre the other month if you want to see what Corbyn and the others have to say about a variety of issues.

http://www.thejc.com/videos/news-videos/watch-again-labour-party-leadership-hustings

Anybody who has campaigned for Palestinian statehood such as Corbyn always has the anti-Semitic accusations thrown at them by the looney Zionists. Pretty much anybody with any sense must realise that the only way there can ever be peace in the middle east is with a two-state solution.
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August 14, 2015, 11:22am

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I agree it's an over the top accusation. The old adage of Jewish people running the media is probably still true enough for it to be a big problem for Jezza though. If it's in the paper enough it will stick.


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What strikes me is how the existing Labour hierarchy under-estimated Corbyn. Evidently Andy Burnham passed on some of his nominations so he could run and now runs the risk that Corbyn will win the leadership election outright.

I had some dealings with Jeremy Corbyn through work and I always found him a  very straightforward, thoughtful and courteous person to work with. He was a bit of a pain because he bombarded us with MP's letters. Anyway - he's no Michael Foot and if you listen to him he makes a lot of sense. In Europe he would be seen as a middle of the road Socialist (in a middle of the road country like Denmark or the Netherlands for example)

At the moment he's not being given that much direct publicity - it's all behind closed doors stuff but if he does wiN I wouldn't under-estimate him and he would give Cameron a good run for his money. I'd be interested to see who would be in his Shadow Cabinet.
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August 14, 2015, 12:55pm

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I'd be interested to see who would be in his Shadow Cabinet.


Given the ammount of Labour MP's telling the public not to vote for Jeremy Corbyn I would also be interested in who would be in a Corbyn cabinet. I read an interesting thing yesterday about an MP from Newcastle who had decided to nominate Corbyn for the leadership election based on responses from their Labour supporting constituents but was now supporting Andy Burnham. On one hand good to see an MP representing the constituency who elected them but then going turncoat in a classic politician style. I just sense a bit of fear creeping in within the political classes and careerists of someone who appears to actually answer questions, remains principled, is without the need for spin and from what I have seen over the last month or so is giving a growing number of people a bit of hope.



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Quite a few MP's nominated him to broaden the options and the debate but aren't actually supporting him. I think Burnham may actually have encouraged it amongst some of his supporters.
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The question is, if Corbyn does win the leadership election, will the PLP accept it as a statement of what people supporting the party are thinking or will they just dismiss it as entryism as some of them have so foolishly claimed already?

I had no intention of joining the party or voting in this election before the unbelievable and incessant attacks on Corbyn by all ranges of the media.

Fundamentally, many of the senior figures in the PLP have shown themselves to be craven idiots without an original or even mildly left-wing thought in their heads.

As it stands, Corbyn is literally the only person in mainstream politics who admits the housing market is utterly and completely broken. PQE is a policy which could make a real impact in this respect and help the young become an important part of this society once again instead of a disregarded afterthought.
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The question is, if Corbyn does win the leadership election, will the PLP accept it as a statement of what people supporting the party are thinking or will they just dismiss it as entryism as some of them have so foolishly claimed already?  


As I understand it, if Corbyn wins then that's it - he's the Leader of the Labour Party. There's also an election for the Deputy Leader, which one of the Eagle sisters is standing in (not sure who the others are) so I presume that they will work out their Cabinet members. I would guess there would be a lot of pulling together and protestations of unity
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