Should England take the knee.?

Quoted from TAGG

Because people are sick to death of others telling them that they are racist and being  told you have to conform with our opinion because its the only one.
Let people get on with there lives and enjoy football again.

At one time I would be proper excited about a big Tournament  involving England but now don't give a intercourse because its not now about football.

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To have such a divisive issue just before a major tournament is a disaster. It was obvious that as soon as fans returned it would mean reality coming face to face with virtue signalling, because that is what it is. Fans won't put up with it - the sheer stupidity of kneeling before a game that achieves absolutely nothing (and has demonstrably made things worse) was bound to upset people inside the stadiums. I see some irresponsible journalists have written that those booing must be racists - how absurd is that?

Fans do not go to a game to be preached at; the vast, vast majority of fans would tell someone in authority if they heard any racism in a stadium so why the need for virtue signalling at games?  

A  re-think is needed before England's first game as this is threatening to overshadow the tournament. Fans know that the UK is one of the most racially diverse and welcoming countries on the planet, so will be quite rightly angered that they somehow need "reminding" before every game.

It's alright people saying to fans just ignore it; why should they? There are thousands of things that could be improved in life and people are passionate about, but football would lose fans hand over fist if we accommodated them all.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

To have such a divisive issue just before a major tournament is a disaster. It was obvious that as soon as fans returned it would mean reality coming face to face with virtue signalling, because that is what it is. Fans won't put up with it - the sheer stupidity of kneeling before a game that achieves absolutely nothing (and has demonstrably made things worse) was bound to upset people inside the stadiums. I see some irresponsible journalists have written that those booing must be racists - how absurd is that?

Fans do not go to a game to be preached at; the vast, vast majority of fans would tell someone in authority if they heard any racism in a stadium so why the need for virtue signalling at games?  

A  re-think is needed before England's first game as this is threatening to overshadow the tournament. Fans know that the UK is one of the most racially diverse and welcoming countries on the planet, so will be quite rightly angered that they somehow need "reminding" before every game.

It's alright people saying to fans just ignore it; why should they? There are thousands of things that could be improved in life and people are passionate about, but football would lose fans hand over fist if we accommodated them all.

God forbid that a football tournament should be "overshadowed" by people trying to be treated fairly, reasonably and equally.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

To have such a divisive issue just before a major tournament is a disaster. It was obvious that as soon as fans returned it would mean reality coming face to face with virtue signalling, because that is what it is. Fans won't put up with it - the sheer stupidity of kneeling before a game that achieves absolutely nothing (and has demonstrably made things worse) was bound to upset people inside the stadiums. I see some irresponsible journalists have written that those booing must be racists - how absurd is that?

Fans do not go to a game to be preached at; the vast, vast majority of fans would tell someone in authority if they heard any racism in a stadium so why the need for virtue signalling at games?  

A  re-think is needed before England's first game as this is threatening to overshadow the tournament. Fans know that the UK is one of the most racially diverse and welcoming countries on the planet, so will be quite rightly angered that they somehow need "reminding" before every game.

It's alright people saying to fans just ignore it; why should they? There are thousands of things that could be improved in life and people are passionate about, but football would lose fans hand over fist if we accommodated them all.

Every tournament it's claimed that something is going to overshadow it. Remember the professional Russian hooligans and racist Eastern Europeans? Never happened. Terrorism? Never happened. Before that we had the English hooligans who were going to get us kicked out the tournament (the team always did it for them). People always remember the football.

Quoted from pizzzza

At least we'd have a chance of winning it.

Southgate would still see to that.

i'm very in favour of anything which riles up the worst posters on this message board so much, so yes, keep kneeling please

Quoted from TAGG

Because people are sick to death of others telling them that they are racist and being  told you have to conform with our opinion because its the only one

That racism is a bad thing? Thought that was a pretty universally accepted. Appears not..

Quoted from darren9

We’re all supposing aren’t we? It’s what a forum is for. I appear to have upset you - it wasn’t my intention and if I have I’m
sorry.  

We appear to be on opposing sides of the debate but the debate should be civilised. If I have crossed a line then again, I apologise.

Thank you for your apology which is wholeheartedly accepted.

A gold star man.

Quoted from GrimRob

Just out of interest, do the England cricket or rugby teams take the knee, or is it just a football thing?

I don't know about cricket and Rugby but in F1 all drivers took the knee when it started. Now only some drivers take the knee while others stand, just like in our league football games where some players take the knee and others no longer do it.

Quoted from DB

I don't know about cricket and Rugby but in F1 all drivers took the knee when it started. Now only some drivers take the knee while others stand, just like in our league football games where some players take the knee and others no longer do it.

Yeh, I knew F1 definitely did it and then it became a choice for the drivers...which it fundamentally is for football. Some teams/players choose to do it. Ironically, the ones making the most noise about it are likely the so called patriotic types so the very players leading their team are indeed making that choice...

I guess it’s become a bit like the minted silence/clapping thing. Personally, apart from Remembrance Sunday/game closest, i much prefer a minutes applause but that doesn’t mean I boo or ignore the minutes silence, much like the national anthem. Remember when it seemed like every week some club or other clapped at a certain time for some fan/s ex player...if people didn’t want to they didn’t boo, they just didn’t join in.

Much like this, they’re not asking you to join in, they’re using their position to influence change and raise awareness, just because you, by you I mean the booers, don’t agree or it makes you feel uneasy doesn’t mean they can’t do that. They’re not asking you to take a knee but again, they/you cry for free speech etc...that’s exactly what they’re doing.