Should England take the knee.?

Quoted from ginnywings

Started to read this thread, saw the word Marxist about a dozen times in the first three or four pages and gave up.

Nothing has changed from the last time we had a massive thread on the subject.

If you are offended enough to boo some footballers kneeling for 10 seconds, you need to have a look at yourselves. By all means disagree with the stance, it's a free country, but booing is just your need to let everyone else know how offended you are.

I personally don't agree with having a Royal Family in a modern society, but I don't feel the need to boo the National Anthem.

But you did say some terrible things (in my eyes at least)  when Prince Philip passed away. It was not terrible to you, because I presume you are a republican, so why is booing any different to you saying things that you don't agree with?

Quoted from Civvy at last

So do you think Nelson Mandela should never have been released from prison, or been allowed to move on from his crimes ??  I for one am glad he was.

A very strange comparison, perhaps you are highlighting the power of sportsmen and sportswomen along with others completely boycotting and isolating that racist country.

Quoted from codcheeky

A very strange comparison, perhaps you are highlighting the power of sportsmen and sportswomen along with others completely boycotting and isolating that racist country.

Could have compared it with many others but obviously chose one that you would identify with. The point I am making is that people can change as they mature. You aren’t happy to give them that chance. Just out of interest, what are your thoughts on rehabilitation ??

Audibly booing players for taking a stance against racism is flipping moronic.

Not accepting apologies for idiotic, bigoted comments made when someone was much much younger, immature and ignorant, is also flipping moronic.

People have to be able to be able to learn and grow, and to share regret and apologise.

So in conclusion, if anyone who was booing the England players shares regret and apologises for their idiotic, bigoted actions, they should be given the space to learn and grow.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Taking a knee pre dates the BLM movement and is not a BLM specific gesture, it is an anti racism gesture.

It can be traced back to Martin Luther King who kneeled to lead prayers at a protest against civil rights protesters being arrested for 'parading without a permit', in Selma (Alabama) in 1965.

The link with BLM is made by those looking to undermine the validity of an anti racism gesture. The link to BLM was first made by Donald Trump, when president, who attacked NFL players for being anti American when they took the knee during the national anthem. You will recall that he demanded the NFL sack "those sons of b*tches" for the gesture. Several franchise owners tried to stop their players taking the knee.

Oh I know all that. I know MLK was doing way back in the 60s, I watched the match live when Kaepernick took the knee during the US national anthem it was against Green Bay I do believe, but right now it is linked to a group that split opinions for various reason. So why continue to do a gesture that at the moment causes division when you're trying to show unity. Come up with your own stance wear the kick it out tshirts during warm ups and during the national anthem ( but that will never happen as its not profitable).

Can't wait for the Fishy going china syndrome when BLM open their first LGBTI chapter.

Apologies if it’s been posted before but

https://www.theguardian.com/fo.....-of-english-football

Quoted from sonofmadeleymariner

Oh I know all that. I know MLK was doing way back in the 60s, I watched the match live when Kaepernick took the knee during the US national anthem it was against Green Bay I do believe, but right now it is linked to a group that split opinions for various reason. So why continue to do a gesture that at the moment causes division when you're trying to show unity. Come up with your own stance wear the kick it out tshirts during warm ups and during the national anthem ( but that will never happen as its not profitable).

It’s only splitting opinion because you disagree with it! Talk about self-fulfilling prophecy.

“I’m against it because I don’t like it.” Is basically what I’m saying.

Have a think about that one again.

Quoted from codcheeky

Perhaps people should think twice about the racist and sexist opinions they throw out into the world, the internet is very unforgiving, quite a large number of companies check social media history as a matter of course when hiring these days,
If you are not a racist you will have no record of racist messages on social media, it is not a good look to say, “my tweets are racist and sexist but I am not” as the cricketer just has.
He was racist and sexist enough to feel he had to tweet it and and now isn’t any more because these messages have resurfaced and he realises his hateful views may affect his career.

Depending on peoples background/culture  some are more exposed to racist views some overt and discreet which can shape thinking growing up. When you see documentary's on tv about ex white supremacy gang members changing for the better and trying to rid themselves of these views it has to respected. In all our lives particularly when young we will all make mistakes. If its not racist it will be bullying ,if not that it will be stealing something from the shop when were a youth, bunking of school and the list goes on. I like what a favourite priest of mine says Fr Josh Johnson is American and one of the few black born  American  priests out there. "Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future-Oscar Wilde".Everyone has the power to change for the better if they so wish and choose.

Quoted from Civvy at last

Could have compared it with many others but obviously chose one that you would identify with. The point I am making is that people can change as they mature. You aren’t happy to give them that chance. Just out of interest, what are your thoughts on rehabilitation ??

Yes everyone makes mistakes and does and says things they regret, however too many that are willing to post offensive things are not ready to post anything showing they have changed until they are called out.  
Everyone deserves a second chance, I am not calling for that cricketer to banned for life but theECB have made the right decision to suspend him.  Hopefully it will act as a caution to others.
Rehabilitation is about admitting you are wrong, accepting the consequences and learning from it. Hopefully this young man has done that and he has apologised, I am sure once the case is reviewed he will say all the right things and be back representing his country in the future