Should England take the knee.?

Quoted from codcheeky

You think that linking arms would not be booed by the racist morons?

No matter what you do in football you will have zero impact on racist, they are going to boo anything that is antiracist, but if you take away the BLM aspect of the protest you then take away a large part of the arguement of those who oppose it because of the link to the group.

Theres no point in continuing something that does the opposite to what its intended, at the moment taking the knee causes more divsion then it does unity it is thus failing so change it. Find a new way for footballer to show their protest. You wouldn't see a company like BMW continuing an ad campaign that clearly hurts their profits, over and over again, they'd just change the ad, same applies here. Change the protest change the atmosphere around the protest you'll also help to root out those closest racists in the process as they wouldn't have a leg to stand on as the protest no longer has the link.

Quoted from sonofmadeleymariner

No matter what you do in football you will have zero impact on racist, they are going to boo anything that is antiracist, but if you take away the BLM aspect of the protest you then take away a large part of the arguement of those who oppose it because of the link to the group.

Theres no point in continuing something that does the opposite to what its intended, at the moment taking the knee causes more divsion then it does unity it is thus failing so change it. Find a new way for footballer to show their protest. You wouldn't see a company like BMW continuing an ad campaign that clearly hurts their profits, over and over again, they'd just change the ad, same applies here. Change the protest change the atmosphere around the protest you'll also help to root out those closest racists in the process as they wouldn't have a leg to stand on as the protest no longer has the link.

Taking a knee pre dates the BLM movement and is not a BLM specific gesture, it is an anti racism gesture.

It can be traced back to Martin Luther King who kneeled to lead prayers at a protest against civil rights protesters being arrested for 'parading without a permit', in Selma (Alabama) in 1965.

The link with BLM is made by those looking to undermine the validity of an anti racism gesture. The link to BLM was first made by Donald Trump, when president, who attacked NFL players for being anti American when they took the knee during the national anthem. You will recall that he demanded the NFL sack "those sons of b*tches" for the gesture. Several franchise owners tried to stop their players taking the knee.

It will only be a matter of time before those taking the knee will be caught out with an ill-judged tweet from their past, and then another witch hunt will begin. It won't necessarily be racist in nature, but something that upsets the permanently offended brigade.

I see England cricketers are scrambling to delete any dubious tweets from their past in response to the events of this week. I am sure a lot of pre twitter Fishy posters said things they regret, but Twitter will bring careers to a premature end if this carries on.

Those taking the knee better be sure they are confident they have not said anything in the past that will come back to haunt them.

Ffs I’m tired of this and just want footy for what it is. It’s all tripe being fuelled by MSM

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

It will only be a matter of time before those taking the knee will be caught out with an ill-judged tweet from their past, and then another witch hunt will begin. It won't necessarily be racist in nature, but something that upsets the permanently offended brigade.

I see England cricketers are scrambling to delete any dubious tweets from their past in response to the events of this week. I am sure a lot of pre twitter Fishy posters said things they regret, but Twitter will bring careers to a premature end if this carries
Those taking the knee better be sure they are confident they have not said anything in the past that will come back to haunt them.

Perhaps people should think twice about the racist and sexist opinions they throw out into the world, the internet is very unforgiving, quite a large number of companies check social media history as a matter of course when hiring these days,
If you are not a racist you will have no record of racist messages on social media, it is not a good look to say, “my tweets are racist and sexist but I am not” as the cricketer just has.
He was racist and sexist enough to feel he had to tweet it and and now isn’t any more because these messages have resurfaced and he realises his hateful views may affect his career.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

I am unclear on why you raised the black power salute. Would you please expand on your view of it and why it is a good or bad thing.

Thank you.

Do your own research, I'm not doing it for you.  Google Malcom X, the Black Panthers in the mid sixties, that should give you plenty to look at.

Quoted from codcheeky

Perhaps people should think twice about the racist and sexist opinions they throw out into the world, the internet is very unforgiving, quite a large number of companies check social media history as a matter of course when hiring these days,
If you are not a racist you will have no record of racist messages on social media, it is not a good look to say, “my tweets are racist and sexist but I am not” as the cricketer just has.
He was racist and sexist enough to feel he had to tweet it and and now isn’t any more because these messages have resurfaced and he realises his hateful views may affect his career.

Perhaps they should, but they never expected to be put under such scrutiny. Once this can of worms is opened, it will just continue till some tweet is found - or pre-Twitter -  some comment or other that will rebound on those passing judgment now. It won't be just sexist or racial comments of course, it will be something that you or I might find fascinating, or amusing, but to someone, somewhere it will be unacceptable. There is no end to this - there are so many facets of human behaviour that some people find offensive and anybody in the public eye beware.

Personally, I have never really understood the fascination with social media (apart from the Fishy), but those that live their life by it will surely be worrying about their output. The cricketer was a kid; people develop at different rates and the thought of his career being curtailed because of something he tweeted when he was an immature young man seems very harsh indeed.  

Quoted from codcheeky

Perhaps people should think twice about the racist and sexist opinions they throw out into the world, the internet is very unforgiving, quite a large number of companies check social media history as a matter of course when hiring these days,
If you are not a racist you will have no record of racist messages on social media, it is not a good look to say, “my tweets are racist and sexist but I am not” as the cricketer just has.
He was racist and sexist enough to feel he had to tweet it and and now isn’t any more because these messages have resurfaced and he realises his hateful views may affect his career.

So do you think Nelson Mandela should never have been released from prison, or been allowed to move on from his crimes ??  I for one am glad he was.

Partly agree with the above. I don’t think you can really tell what a person is like until their mid 20s. If they’re still a male private head then all hope is lost.

Started to read this thread, saw the word Marxist about a dozen times in the first three or four pages and gave up.

Nothing has changed from the last time we had a massive thread on the subject.

If you are offended enough to boo some footballers kneeling for 10 seconds, you need to have a look at yourselves. By all means disagree with the stance, it's a free country, but booing is just your need to let everyone else know how offended you are.

I personally don't agree with having a Royal Family in a modern society, but I don't feel the need to boo the National Anthem.