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Now that the elections are out of the way, the council want to talk with the new owners to see what their ideas are on a new community stadium.

It's mentioned at the bottom of this article about scrapping the white palm tree..

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.c.....olRvp10aRiaWK9nxJLk4

They sound quite keen to include a stadium in their plans for regeneration of Cleethorpes.
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Sounds like he’s said a whole heap of fúck all to me.

Now that we have new owners for the club and we’ve got the local elections out of the way, we’re going to need to have early discussions to see what their thinking might be," Councillor Jackson said.

“I would be keen to progress a new football stadium if the willingness is there from the club.

“Of course, any new stadium would be a community stadium for a broad range of uses.”


They want to have a meeting to see what the new board might be thinking (before informing the club what their new stadium would, of course, be). Not sure they’re in any position to start lecturing the club on what the stadium would be, unless the Council are part funding it. As to whether Cllr Jackson is keen or not, it’s immaterial given that there’s a long standing policy commitment to relocating the club.

Perhaps he should stick to arranging the sandwiches for meetings with convicted fraudsters?
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I was under the impression that as far as the new board is concerned a new stadium is on the back burner for the time being. The council has the land at Freemo and doesn't know what to do with it if Town doesn't want it. Or given the GT's report last week of a proposed new development from Great Coates Rd./A1136 junction to A46 are they thinking of a new ground on the outskirts of town near to Morrisons.

Or does the council leader want to expunge all ideas from his ex-best buddy?


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I was under the impression that as far as the new board is concerned a new stadium is on the back burner for the time being. The council has the land at Freemo and doesn't know what to do with it if Town doesn't want it. Or given the GT's report last week of a proposed new development from Great Coates Rd./A1136 junction to A46 are they thinking of a new ground on the outskirts of town near to Morrisons.

Or does the council leader want to expunge all ideas from his ex-best buddy?


Did his ex best buddy have any ideas?

Let’s face it, had it not been exposed I’d imagine Jackson would be sending over council money in to the dodgy bank accounts of Mr May by now, on projects that would never have truly come to fruition.

Does Jackson want to really speak with the club or is he just trying to demonstrate he no longer has ties or allegiance to his old mate? Are you now at a point where he probably needs the club to redevelop than the club needs the council?

He clearly hasn’t read or listened to the new owners; they’ve made it clear on a couple of occasions that unless truly necessary they will not be wasting money chasing a dream on a vanity project...


'the poor and the needy are selfish and greedy'...well done Mozza
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Council are still keen to use Freeman Street area or the Docks so they can get their hands on regeneration funding. They do not want to fund the stadium but won't be able to attract other funding unless the stadium is built in these areas. They don't have all the land required for the Freeman Street area and would have to compulsory purchase peoples homes so they can be demolished.

The council are only in it for themselves and are not that concerned with the football club (even though they profess to be) and this is evident by their constant interfering and requiring three separate reports on possible areas and then ignoring the results because the most suitable location is not where they want it.

The consortium should decide which location is best for the club and fans not which is best for the council. If the council object and block any planning application then it can be appealed and it goes to a government official to decide and if the council lose they have to pay the costs.

As already stated the new stadium is not a priority at the moment and so the council should be told to butt out and stop speculating. GTFC will determine when it wants to move forward and not be forced into diverting resources at this point.
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Council are still keen to use Freeman Street area or the Docks so they can get their hands on regeneration funding. They do not want to fund the stadium but won't be able to attract other funding unless the stadium is built in these areas. They don't have all the land required for the Freeman Street area and would have to compulsory purchase peoples homes so they can be demolished.

The council are only in it for themselves and are not that concerned with the football club (even though they profess to be) and this is evident by their constant interfering and requiring three separate reports on possible areas and then ignoring the results because the most suitable location is not where they want it.

The consortium should decide which location is best for the club and fans not which is best for the council. If the council object and block any planning application then it can be appealed and it goes to a government official to decide and if the council lose they have to pay the costs.

As already stated the new stadium is not a priority at the moment and so the council should be told to butt out and stop speculating. GTFC will determine when it wants to move forward and not be forced into diverting resources at this point.


Sounds familiar to the now ex owner of our beloved club...in it for himself and not the club...


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Sounds familiar to the now ex owner of our beloved club...in it for himself and not the club...


At one time I would have disagreed with you but now he’s walked away with a profit from the club after years and years of failure, I concede you are right.


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I was under the impression that as far as the new board is concerned a new stadium is on the back burner for the time being. The council has the land at Freemo and doesn't know what to do with it if Town doesn't want it. Or given the GT's report last week of a proposed new development from Great Coates Rd./A1136 junction to A46 are they thinking of a new ground on the outskirts of town near to Morrisons.

Or does the council leader want to expunge all ideas from his ex-best buddy?


Can't use the Morrisons site because there is a 1 in 4 gradient and the ball would keep going in that pond
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Can't use the Morrisons site because there is a 1 in 4 gradient and the ball would keep going in that pond


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The consortium should decide which location is best for the club and fans not which is best for the council. If the council object and block any planning application then it can be appealed and it goes to a government official to decide and if the council lose they have to pay the costs.




Can we call them a Consortium now there is only 2  should it be co-owners  or partnership  ????   just a random question


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One of the many legacies of the Principle Funder is that the words 'new' and 'stadium' in the same sentence immediately make me tut with contempt, shrug my shoulders and mutter under my breath "yeah, whatever..." before I quickly move on.

I suspect that the council is now talking about it again because the new owners have said it's unlikely to happen and the chance of regeneration money is going out of the window. They didn't have to worry about it when the Principle Funder was on board because of the opportunity to line his own pockets.


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Council want to talk about it? thats all it is with this council, talk.












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Council want to talk about it? thats all it is with this council, talk.


People said the same about the previous administration and voted them out. Maybe now people will see what little influence councils have these days, even when the government is of the same party and supposedly pumping lots of money into the town.


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Am I the only person who doesn't want to move?

I like the fact that our stadium is vintage. I'm doubtful post pandemic that many of the sources of revenue that a new stadium would bring (meeting rooms) are as viable as they once were and I just don't see how heaping a load of debt onto the club helps us on the pitch.
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Am I the only person who doesn't want to move?

I like the fact that our stadium is vintage. I'm doubtful post pandemic that many of the sources of revenue that a new stadium would bring (meeting rooms) are as viable as they once were and I just don't see how heaping a load of debt onto the club helps us on the pitch.


Yes you are!

The main stand needs rebuilding,  as does the Osmond. It is hemmed in by houses on all sides, which makes rebuilding difficult and that's if we get planning permission.

It would be cheaper to build a new stadium than rebuild bit by bit.
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With the recent announcement about the building of a new road linking the roundabout at Morrisons to the roundabout on the M180, would it make the old Great Coates site become more viable? It would open up more land for building, so would there be a new site for a new stadium?
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Yes you are!

The main stand needs rebuilding,  as does the Osmond. It is hemmed in by houses on all sides, which makes rebuilding difficult and that's if we get planning permission.

It would be cheaper to build a new stadium than rebuild bit by bit.


The new owners would possibly beg to differ. Not saying you’re wrong but they’ve made quite clear that they’re not just going to chase a pipe dream like the previous owner without exploring the redevelopment of BP.

Perhaps the money the council (never) had for the white palm tree could be offered to the club as a small investment (I know this won’t happen)?

There’s also the reason that BP is knackered in places because it’s been allowed to get that way because Fenty and co were obsessed with moving and saw no need to invest...annoying really because whilst the main stand isn’t the most accessible stand, underneath doesn’t need to be as excrement as it is with a small amount of time and effort with a few thousand...long term that’s much more sustainable for the club than borrowing £30m to build a breeze block shed...


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With the recent announcement about the building of a new road linking the roundabout at Morrisons to the roundabout on the M180, would it make the old Great Coates site become more viable? It would open up more land for building, so would there be a new site for a new stadium?


Please no! No out of town stadium. No on so many levels.


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Your not the only one Horsforthmariner, I want to stay put also for the time being........we need to sort lots of other stuff out first......
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With the recent announcement about the building of a new road linking the roundabout at Morrisons to the roundabout on the M180, would it make the old Great Coates site become more viable? It would open up more land for building, so would there be a new site for a new stadium?


The problem with the M180 site is that the land owners didn’t want to sell, we didn’t have the money to buy and no anchor tenant could be found to fund it. There’s no money or interest in out-of-town developments like this anymore. That ship sailed about 20-25 years ago and luckily, though not by choice, we weren’t on it.
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Is Blundell Park impossible to rebuild?

I fully appreciate there's going to be limitations but this was the line that was continually pushed out by the Fenty and his mob.  The new owners, especially AP, are experienced in regeneration as far as I'm aware and will have a far greater insight into what can and can't be done at Blundell Park.

Whatever happens, Blundell Park needs to be used more than just on matchdays.  The location and access to parking will be the biggest obstacle to that I'd imagine.  

The council can get copulated though.  Tired of their faux interest in the club.  That bloody palm tree sums them up.
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Is Blundell Park impossible to rebuild?

I fully appreciate there's going to be limitations but this was the line that was continually pushed out by the Fenty and his mob.  The new owners, especially AP, are experienced in regeneration as far as I'm aware and will have a far greater insight into what can and can't be done at Blundell Park.

Whatever happens, Blundell Park needs to be used more than just on matchdays.  The location and access to parking will be the biggest obstacle to that I'd imagine.  

The council can get copulated though.  Tired of their faux interest in the club.  That bloody palm tree sums them up.


Agreed...the line that it was impossible to redevelop was merely another nonsense line from Fenty to ensure he could push his agenda towards a vanity project aimed at making him a bit of wedge and massaging his ego as the man that got us a new ground...

I’d imagine AP in particular knows various folk who could deliver that regeneration and redevelopment and a fraction of the cost of a new ground...


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All of our happy memories are at Blundell Park and some not so good ones as well.

I think it could be a few more years before a new stadium is built.

So while we are waiting why not do the park up a bit ?

Extending the main stand or even knocking it down and having a new one might be the way forward.

Extend the pontoon so all of that end of the ground is covered in.

That will take the ground capacity to between 11,000 - 12,500.

That gives us a few years before a new ground is required.

Then when we have all the finance sorted and how a new stadium will work we can think about where we should put it.

Brentford who will be playing in the premier next season chose to build their ground in the tight space that was available so what's the rush it will be another 5 or 6 years at least before we get to the premier .


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With the recent announcement about the building of a new road linking the roundabout at Morrisons to the roundabout on the M180, would it make the old Great Coates site become more viable? It would open up more land for building, so would there be a new site for a new stadium?


Looking at the route it would need to take this may be as likely as a new stadium. There is no real reason to build from morrisons to the A180 as you already have a number of roads leading off to various locations. Also the road would go through a lot of greenfield sites, some beauty spots and no doubt the nesting area of the "great crested newt" will be involved along the way!
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If we get a new stadium we could also use the palm tree to light up the car park. With a sign saying sponsored by North East Lincolnshire Council.


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Looking at the route it would need to take this may be as likely as a new stadium. There is no real reason to build from morrisons to the A180 as you already have a number of roads leading off to various locations. Also the road would go through a lot of greenfield sites, some beauty spots and no doubt the nesting area of the "great crested newt" will be involved along the way!


I don't live in Grimsby so this is the first I've heard of this 'plan' and my immediate reaction was 'a road from Morrisons to the A180? What the f*ck do they want for, it's a road from nowhere to nowhere'. And it's not like the road's needed to ease massive congestion.


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Looking at the route it would need to take this may be as likely as a new stadium. There is no real reason to build from morrisons to the A180 as you already have a number of roads leading off to various locations. Also the road would go through a lot of greenfield sites, some beauty spots and no doubt the nesting area of the "great crested newt" will be involved along the way!


Have you ever driven into town from the M180 in the afternoon?  The tailback can reach Great Cotes somedays.  This new road would take a lot of traffic away towards Bradley, that would otherwise have to go into town.
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Am I the only person who doesn't want to move?

I like the fact that our stadium is vintage. I'm doubtful post pandemic that many of the sources of revenue that a new stadium would bring (meeting rooms) are as viable as they once were and I just don't see how heaping a load of debt onto the club helps us on the pitch.


I've said this elsewhere and I'm happy to take the red crosses...

BP is one of the few areas of supporting Town where I have no rose coloured specs or heart over head. It isn't "vintage". It's a f*cking sh*thole. I am embarrassed by the place, it's like watching sport on a dystopian science fiction movie set. It is the last word on where we are as a club, decrepit and badly needing a major overhaul.

As facilities at other leisure pursuits get better and more comfortable BP just looks worse and worse.



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Have you ever driven into town from the M180 in the afternoon?  The tailback can reach Great Cotes somedays.  This new road would take a lot of traffic away towards Bradley, that would otherwise have to go into town.


Surely any traffic heading towards Bradley would have got off the M/A180 long before the 'town'? My folks live in Waltham and I wouldn't dream of going into town to get there (off at Barnetby Top).


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All of our happy memories are at Blundell Park and some not so good ones as well.

I think it could be a few more years before a new stadium is built.

So while we are waiting why not do the park up a bit ?

Extending the main stand or even knocking it down and having a new one might be the way forward.

Extend the pontoon so all of that end of the ground is covered in.

That will take the ground capacity to between 11,000 - 12,500.

That gives us a few years before a new ground is required.

Then when we have all the finance sorted and how a new stadium will work we can think about where we should put it.

Brentford who will be playing in the premier next season chose to build their ground in the tight space that was available so what's the rush it will be another 5 or 6 years at least before we get to the premier .


Brentford's ground may well be in a tight space but it's completely new and built on a brownfield site - it was tight because it's between 2 railway lines and a road. It's a shortish walk away from Griffin Park.

It's also a community stadium built alongside the council.


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I don't live in Grimsby so this is the first I've heard of this 'plan' and my immediate reaction was 'a road from Morrisons to the A180? What the f*ck do they want for, it's a road from nowhere to nowhere'. And it's not like the road's needed to ease massive congestion.


The route comes with new housing estates planed on one side, 2 land owners joining forces for the good of the community their bank account.


https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/petition-sparks-up-stop-3800-5448933


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Is Blundell Park impossible to rebuild?

I fully appreciate there's going to be limitations but this was the line that was continually pushed out by the Fenty and his mob.  The new owners, especially AP, are experienced in regeneration as far as I'm aware and will have a far greater insight into what can and can't be done at Blundell Park.

Whatever happens, Blundell Park needs to be used more than just on matchdays.  The location and access to parking will be the biggest obstacle to that I'd imagine.  

The council can get copulated though.  Tired of their faux interest in the club.  That bloody palm tree sums them up.


I can remember in the late 70's - early 80's you had to get to BP at about 2pm to get parked up. Gates of around 10,000 were common. Location and parking in those days were not a problem and residents accepted it as part of living near BP.

Today is a different world, many want to park on the doorstep and can't be ar sed to walk more than 50 yds. My mate and I used to park on Queen Mary Ave or Park St if we could and walk to BP.

I agree with what you've said about BP being used more for nonfootball activities which of course would bring in more revenue which the club needs. I think our new owners are more in tune with this which will hopefully bring back the crowds to BP on match days.



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The council / engie are great at getting funding look at all the new work in Town, Toll Bar, Littlecoats Road, A18 widening, St James Church, New Bridge over the Treshney, upgraded estate road 2, immingham business park., Laceby A180 link road, Cleethorpes sea front all government funded they could get serious funding for a new stadium.
After all Boris is a town fan.
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If has to be on the docks train station there and tied in with a marina extension bars flats and new business opportunities.
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I wouldn't talk to that useless scheming cover up toss pot at all if they could help it,  they have the funding opportunities but are squandering it hand over fist.
The Palm Tree......not going to happen now as they have over spent elsewhere, they already have spent and installed the granite/marble markers every 100m or so down the length of the prom leading you to the palm tree site, they will now have to come up.....useless tw@ts.....they even laid them at the wrong distances so would have to have been changed....
The wrong materials being specified on the new seafront furniture....
Top town,i am reliably informed that the Garth Lane development is already way over budget and there is hardly anything showing as yet.....
The town centre development with cinema and open air food village ya de yada going back to the drawing board....
The biggest potential pot of money this town is ever likely to see and it's being wasted away by useless people like Jackson who just dont have a clue. ......should we be surprised when we consider who up until not long ago was the portfolio holder for regeneration ??


I have also heard a whisper that the council may consider a large allotment site not a million miles from b.p could be offered for the location of a new training ground/ complex.


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I'm glad the idea of remaining at BP is on the agenda. Fenty shot me down at a Fans Forum when I suggested it. There is loads of parking a short walk away (Ramsdens, Docks etc).

If you could extend the Findus to cover the length of the pitch and redevelop the Main Stand and Osmond to also go full length but maintaining its small height you should get to 11-12k I would have thought.
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Develop BP, I know this could only be limited but pull down the main and osmond and rebuild tadge up the other bits.
If it ever comes to moving on then it has to be an in Town stadium.
Never ever ever a soulless excrement house out of Town.


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Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them.
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Develop BP, I know this could only be limited but pull down the main and osmond and rebuild tadge up the other bits.
If it ever comes to moving on then it has to be an in Town stadium.
Never ever ever a soulless excrement house out of Town.


In his three stints as Grimsby Town manager spanning over 10 years the club was never relegated and he also guided them to three promotions.
Only 14 managers have reached 1,000 matches in charge of a Football League team by 1998 and Buckley is one of them.
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BP is a shadow of its former self and desperately needs some investment if we're staying for another 5 years (which we definitely are).  Its big open corners create a very windy, soulless atmosphere.  Filling them in with something would go some way to improving the experience and be a worthwhile short-term investment.

That being said, a new stadium will be needed at some point.  Can't see a full redevelopment of BP being feasible and its location isn't great.  If we want a modern club which can attract new fans in 10/20 years' time, new facilities are a must.  I understand that recent plans have been a waste of resources and there should be other priorities right now, but I don't think we can pretend that BP will ever be suitable for the club we hope to be.
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Your not the only one Horsforthmariner, I want to stay put also for the time being........we need to sort lots of other stuff out first......


Me too. A soulless identikit stadium can wait. If it's an out of town soulless identikit stadium it can wait forever.
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BP is a shadow of its former self and desperately needs some investment if we're staying for another 5 years (which we definitely are).  Its big open corners create a very windy, soulless atmosphere.  Filling them in with something would go some way to improving the experience and be a worthwhile short-term investment.

That being said, a new stadium will be needed at some point.  Can't see a full redevelopment of BP being feasible and its location isn't great.  If we want a modern club which can attract new fans in 10/20 years' time, new facilities are a must.  I understand that recent plans have been a waste of resources and there should be other priorities right now, but I don't think we can pretend that BP will ever be suitable for the club we hope to be.


This is my view as well. I don't believe a new stadium has been put on the "back burner" by 1878. Not an immediate priority doesn't mean they won't be looking at options behind the scenes. AP said it has to make financial sense for the club. There is more money now for regeneration projects than there has been for long time - that opportunity cannot be ignored and Gy and Clee needs a community stadium as a centrepiece for football, other sport and culture. A structured leasing deal, with a very affordable base rent and some kind of turnover top-up should be very doable for GTFC as part of this. In the meantime, yes we need to make more of BP - including doing something with the corners at the Pontoon end

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Standing in the Pontoon, Osmond and corners. £5 kids, tenner for adults.
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BP is completely inappropriate for modern day.

The pontoon and lower Findus are fine.

The open corners are embarrassing.

The main and osmond are a huge fire risk and need ripping down.

The upper Findus is a terrible risk. The exits are simply not suitable for the capacity, it takes ages to get out. If there was an urgent need for the masses to escape for whatever reason, there would be casualties.

BP can’t be rescued.
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Forget redeveloping BP thats totally pie in the sky. We need a new stadium full stop. The ground has to last st least the next 60 years and offer much  more than we've currently got.
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One thing that I think may instantly make the ground look better would be to replace all of the decades old red seating and replace it with black and white double alternating columns like the Pontoon with the letters of GTFC in NEW red SEATS across all the stands.
Black letters in red seats in the Lower Youngs doesn't do it for me personally. White letters slightly better and more readable
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I don't get this "soulless identikit stadium" bit. It's not the stadium that creates atmosphere at a game, it' the fans.

As for out of town, Grimsby town centre is against the Humber, and is not surrounded by land on all sides, so you don't have to move very far from town before you are out of it. The majority of fans nowadays travel by car to matches anyway, so being a mile further out won't make that much of a difference Better transport links are what's needed to get fans back into town.. There is no perfect site in Grimsby that ticks all the boxes, where ever it gets built, it will have to be a compromise. The docks is everyone's favourite, but it is valuable industrial land owned by ABP, who might not want to sell, or have a stadium on their land, and would be expensive to buy or rent.

I don't envy the new board for the choices they have to make, they will have to plans for the next fifty or more years, and take into account where the town itself is going. Where ever they choose, they will be controversial, and there will be complaints of one sort or another from fans.
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Staggered to read that so many are happy to stay at Blundell Park. Shortsighted? Misguided? A little bit selfish?

What about the lost thousands that see BP for what it is.. an absolute shitehole? Without them returning the club will never progress. Just a venue for an ageing old boys club getting misty eyed about long gone memories of a stadium that has seen much better days and much better football.

And all this talk about having to self-finance £30m plus and getting the club into debt? A good proportion can be raised through Football Foundation grants and the like.. and also if the stadium is community based, from local and national government grants too. JS has already stated that he's looking for investors to come on board to move the club infrastructure forward and it seems we have a council willing to be involved in a community stadium. It's not going to happen overnight, but I think we're closer than we've ever been to finding a new GTFC home that isn't going to put the club under too much pressure financially.

The mindset of the ageing hardcore needs to change. It doesn't really matter what they want or need, it's what's needed to attract the absent thousands and future generations of potential fans who will be born in and around NE Lincs or have exiles as parents. Tarting up Blundell Park isn't going to cut it, a new centrally located stadium is a must in the next five to ten years..
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Staggered to read that so many are happy to stay at Blundell Park. Shortsighted? Misguided? A little bit selfish?

What about the lost thousands that see BP for what it is.. an absolute shitehole? Without them returning the club will never progress. Just a venue for an ageing old boys club getting misty eyed about long gone memories of a stadium that has seen much better days and much better football.

And all this talk about having to self-finance £30m plus and getting the club into debt? A good proportion can be raised through Football Foundation grants and the like.. and also if the stadium is community based, from local and national government. JS has already stated that he's looking for investors to come on board to move the club infrastructure forward and it seems we have a council willing to be involved in a community stadium. It's not going to happen overnight, but I think we're closer than we've ever been to finding a new GTFC home that isn't going to put the club under too much pressure financially.

The mindset of the ageing hardcore needs to change. It doesn't really matter what they want or need, it's what's needed to attract the absent thousands and future generations of potential fans who will be born in and around NE Lincs or have exiles as parents. Tarting up Blundell Park isn't going to cut it, a new centrally located stadium is a must in the next five to ten years..


I don’t think folk would disagree but instead of chasing a pipe dream with literally no idea how to fund it or just spunking club cash up the wall, the new owners will be much more calculated and cautious. They haven’t put a time frame on anything and I suspect they’d be interested in a centrally located stadium rather than some uninspiring out of town type place...


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.... amd I’d have thought that a stadium in the town is more likely to get state funding as it’ll help regenerate the place. Out of town just contributes to the doughnut effect.


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Staggered to read that so many are happy to stay at Blundell Park. Shortsighted? Misguided? A little bit selfish?

What about the lost thousands that see BP for what it is.. an absolute shitehole? Without them returning the club will never progress. Just a venue for an ageing old boys club getting misty eyed about long gone memories of a stadium that has seen much better days and much better football.

And all this talk about having to self-finance £30m plus and getting the club into debt? A good proportion can be raised through Football Foundation grants and the like.. and also if the stadium is community based, from local and national government grants too. JS has already stated that he's looking for investors to come on board to move the club infrastructure forward and it seems we have a council willing to be involved in a community stadium. It's not going to happen overnight, but I think we're closer than we've ever been to finding a new GTFC home that isn't going to put the club under too much pressure financially.

The mindset of the ageing hardcore needs to change. It doesn't really matter what they want or need, it's what's needed to attract the absent thousands and future generations of potential fans who will be born in and around NE Lincs or have exiles as parents. Tarting up Blundell Park isn't going to cut it, a new centrally located stadium is a must in the next five to ten years..


I wouldn't dispute that BP is far from ideal in terms of parking, infrastructure etc... And yes, it's shabby, crumbling down in parts and dirty. But - and this is important for a lot of football fans in an era when the game is becoming increasingly sanitised and gentrified - it's authentic and the Main Stand, thought to be the oldest stand in the football league (up until last season), in my humble opinion is something we should treasure while we can.

My other reservation about concentrating too much time and energy on a new stadium is what good is a brand spanking new stadium if we're rotting away in non league for the next 5+ years. That ridiculously empty stadium in Darlington springs to mind. Obviously our new stadium would be about half that size though.

In terms of the words identikit, soulless, sterile etc... Southampton's ground is identical to Leicester's, other than the colour of the seats and the carpet the players walk out onto the pitch on.

I've seen the Saints a few times at St Mary's and it just feels like the stadium IKEA built. It's characterless with no individuality. I suppose it's horses for courses though. Some folk would happily bulldoze the Main Stand if it meant they could get served at the bar five minutes quicker at halftime.

I've not looked into this but I'd be fairly confident most football fans, with the exception of possibly Spurs and Man City,  would rather still be at their old grounds, especially West Ham and Arsenal.

The other problem is new stadia quickly looks dated. Look at the Emirates - not a patch on the Tottenham Hotspur stadium.

I'm certainly not opposed to us going to a new stadium - I recognise that we need to in the long-term but just don't think it's a priority when we're going to be regularly getting sub 4k crowds.

I also think there's scope for safe standing in sections of the Pontoon and Osmond which would be a real novelty for our younger fan base during the non league years.

I did like the architect's plans of the trawler shaped stadium - that would be great.

In terms of location, it has to be the docks or failing that, Freeman St, which is currently twinned with Chernobyl.

Laceby Acres Mariners playing at the Morrison's Stadium doesn't do it for me.

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I don’t think folk would disagree but instead of chasing a pipe dream with literally no idea how to fund it or just spunking club cash up the wall, the new owners will be much more calculated and cautious. They haven’t put a time frame on anything and I suspect they’d be interested in a centrally located stadium rather than some uninspiring out of town type place...


Why do some people insist that a new stadium for Grimsby Town is a "pipe dream" or that "how to fund it" is some massive unanswered conundrum?

Arsenal
Brentford
Brighton & Hove Albion
Leicester City
Manchester City
Southampton
Tottenham Hotspur
West Ham United
AFC Bournemouth
Cardiff City
Coventry City
Derby County
Huddersfield Town
Hull City
Middlesbrough
Millwall
Reading
Stoke City
Swansea City
AFC Wimbledon
Bolton Wanderers
Burton Albion
Doncaster Rovers
Milton Keynes Dons
Morecambe
Oxford United
Rotherham United
Shrewsbury Town
Sunderland
Wigan Athletic
Colchester United
Forest Green Rovers
Northampyton Town
Scunthorpe United
Walsall
Barnet
Chesterfield
Yeovil Town
AFC Fylde
AFC Telford United
Boston United
Chester
York City
Maidstone United

At least 44 new football stadiums built in England in my lifetime that are EFL standard (45 if you count Darlington). And then there are Rugby-only stadiums that have been built in that time like Salford, St Helens, Warrington, Widnes & Leigh. And then there are the countless other clubs who have totally rebuilt their grounds in that era too (Preston North End, Leeds Rhinos etc...)

If building a new stadium is a pipe dream and how to fund one such a problem, how have the 50 new stadia I have listed above been built?
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Why do some people insist that a new stadium for Grimsby Town is a "pipe dream" or that "how to fund it" is some massive unanswered conundrum?

Arsenal
Brentford
Brighton & Hove Albion
Leicester City
Manchester City
Southampton
Tottenham Hotspur
West Ham United
AFC Bournemouth
Cardiff City
Coventry City
Derby County
Huddersfield Town
Hull City
Middlesbrough
Millwall
Reading
Stoke City
Swansea City
AFC Wimbledon
Bolton Wanderers
Burton Albion
Doncaster Rovers
Milton Keynes Dons
Morecambe
Oxford United
Rotherham United
Shrewsbury Town
Sunderland
Wigan Athletic
Colchester United
Forest Green Rovers
Northampyton Town
Scunthorpe United
Walsall
Barnet
Chesterfield
Yeovil Town
AFC Fylde
AFC Telford United
Boston United
Chester
York City
Maidstone United

At least 44 new football stadiums built in England in my lifetime that are EFL standard (45 if you count Darlington). And then there are Rugby-only stadiums that have been built in that time like Salford, St Helens, Warrington, Widnes & Leigh. And then there are the countless other clubs who have totally rebuilt their grounds in that era too (Preston North End, Leeds Rhinos etc...)

If building a new stadium is a pipe dream and how to fund one such a problem, how have the 50 new stadia I have listed above been built?


I don’t think it’s a pipe dream...not with these guys anyway. I mean the previous incumbents who literally had zero idea of what they were doing...it never got beyond a Roy of the rovers drawing in the telewag.


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Agree with those that have put about throwing money at BP, I personally see this as wasted money. But if all you can afford is a mk2 astra, then make the most of it until the option to upgrade to an 80k motor is viable.

Out of town, for me, doesn’t work. It’s probably the cheaper option, but at the detriment and expense of the fans. There’s something heartwarming about a ground in the heart of the community and being able to walk or drive past it day or night. Seeing the floodlights always gave me a feeling of excitement that can’t be replaced anywhere. In fact, it still does.

Am sure that AP and JS know what they are doing and won’t jeopardise the club when in all fairness, a new ground isn’t a priority. YET!


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Agree with those that have put about throwing money at BP, I personally see this as wasted money. But if all you can afford is a mk2 astra, then make the most of it until the option to upgrade to an 80k motor is viable.

Out of town, for me, doesn’t work. It’s probably the cheaper option, but at the detriment and expense of the fans. There’s something heartwarming about a ground in the heart of the community and being able to walk or drive past it day or night. Seeing the floodlights always gave me a feeling of excitement that can’t be replaced anywhere. In fact, it still does.

Am sure that AP and JS know what they are doing and won’t jeopardise the club when in all fairness, a new ground isn’t a priority. YET!


Some b*st*rd will only scratch it.

The Astra will get scratched as well but it obviously isn’t as important.


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The council need to acquire the land the other side of the railway tracks..build a car park for the yorkies in the summer..this will produce a footfall at the "dead end" of the seafront and businesses will soon follow(not some stupid palm tree)..in the winter in could be reserved for town on match days.
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Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY
Agree with those that have put about throwing money at BP, I personally see this as wasted money. But if all you can afford is a mk2 astra, then make the most of it until the option to upgrade to an 80k motor is viable.

Out of town, for me, doesn’t work. It’s probably the cheaper option, but at the detriment and expense of the fans. There’s something heartwarming about a ground in the heart of the community and being able to walk or drive past it day or night. Seeing the floodlights always gave me a feeling of excitement that can’t be replaced anywhere. In fact, it still does.

Am sure that AP and JS know what they are doing and won’t jeopardise the club when in all fairness, a new ground isn’t a priority. YET!


I'm not sure that BP is at "the heart of the community". Surely that's Freeman St or Saint Peter's Ave or somewhere near the River Head or the docks.

When I walk to BP from the direction of Grimsby I don't get a warm and fuzzy moment when I see the lights, I worry I'm going to get mugged and will my car have been torched when I get back to it.

There's a lot of rose tinted specs on here.


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I'm not sure that BP is at "the heart of the community". Surely that's Freeman St or Saint Peter's Ave or somewhere near the River Head or the docks.

When I walk to BP from the direction of Grimsby I don't get a warm and fuzzy moment when I see the lights, I worry I'm going to get mugged and will my car have been torched when I get back to it.

There's a lot of rose tinted specs on here.


Extreme...


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When I walk to BP from the direction of Grimsby I don't get a warm and fuzzy moment when I see the lights, I worry I'm going to get mugged and will my car have been torched when I get back to it.


You need to stop parking on Rutland Street.



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Or he needs to approach the ground from the Cleethorpes side. Us Meggies are much more civilised 😉


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Or he needs to approach the ground from the Cleethorpes side. Us Meggies are much more civilised 😉


More than often I would be ( more often than not after one or two sherbets! Ok seven or eight)


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Just tear everything down between corpo Rd and the a180 and job done.
Loads of room and great transport links. Sod east marsh area it’s had its chance to better itself.
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Wonder where fenty will wiggle in , Dont believe for one minute he wont worm his way in to somethingto do with this regen thing
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Why do some people insist that a new stadium for Grimsby Town is a "pipe dream" or that "how to fund it" is some massive unanswered conundrum?

Arsenal
Brentford
Brighton & Hove Albion
Leicester City
Manchester City
Southampton
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West Ham United
AFC Bournemouth
Cardiff City
Coventry City
Derby County
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Scunthorpe United
Walsall
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Chesterfield
Yeovil Town
AFC Fylde
AFC Telford United
Boston United
Chester
York City
Maidstone United

At least 44 new football stadiums built in England in my lifetime that are EFL standard (45 if you count Darlington). And then there are Rugby-only stadiums that have been built in that time like Salford, St Helens, Warrington, Widnes & Leigh. And then there are the countless other clubs who have totally rebuilt their grounds in that era too (Preston North End, Leeds Rhinos etc...)

If building a new stadium is a pipe dream and how to fund one such a problem, how have the 50 new stadia I have listed above been built?


Turf Moor and St James' Park (Newcastle) are the two best rebuild in situ jobs - both are right in the heart of town / city. For rugby Welford Road has been 3/4 rebuilt also right in the middle of the city. It makes match-day special - all the fans in the centre. Same with national stadia - Millenium and Lansdown so much better match-day experiences than Wembley or Twickenham. Freemo for me.

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Turf Moor and St James' Park (Newcastle) are the two best rebuild in situ jobs - both are right in the heart of town / city. For rugby Welford Road has been 3/4 rebuilt also right in the middle of the city. It makes match-day special - all the fans in the centre. Same with national stadia - Millenium and Lansdown so much better match-day experiences than Wembley or Twickenham. Freemo for me.



Welford rd Is still not a patch on kingsholm though 😉



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Wonder where fenty will wiggle in , Dont believe for one minute he wont worm his way in to somethingto do with this regen thing


Have you not read Denni his palm tree aint happening
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Welford rd Is still not a patch on kingsholm though 😉



If we could have a new stadium at Freemo with a terrace like the Shed down one side I'd be delighted, with the "Mariners" sung as loud as "Glawster"...

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Have you not read Denni his palm tree aint happening


Lol Thought that was for his front lawn  
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Turf Moor and St James' Park (Newcastle) are the two best rebuild in situ jobs - both are right in the heart of town / city. For rugby Welford Road has been 3/4 rebuilt also right in the middle of the city. It makes match-day special - all the fans in the centre. Same with national stadia - Millenium and Lansdown so much better match-day experiences than Wembley or Twickenham. Freemo for me.



Turf Moor has 2 old stands that haven’t been rebuilt post-Taylor Report & Newcastle only rebuilt 3 stands and the bottom tier of the 4th stand.

And I don’t think Freeman Street is a suitable location for the stadium. The site is far better suited to some modern social housing in keeping with the residential properties that neighbour the site.

As someone who’s never lived in Grimsby and is always a visitor to the town, I think the Fish Dock 3 site is perfect especially with a redeveloped Ice House next door.
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If we could have a new stadium at Freemo with a terrace like the Shed down one side I'd be delighted, with the "Mariners" sung as loud as "Glawster"...



Been fortunate to have had many an afternoon/evening on ‘the shed’. For me, and slightly biased about it, no ground in rugby comes close to it for atmosphere


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Have you not read Denni his palm tree aint happening


Only Fenty could spend that money on something so gaudy.  

Don't have much faith the money will be spent on anything Cleethorpes actually needs either way, I'm sure they'll take 600k and splash it on light shows and other dumb showy things like "modern art sculptures" and murals that don't add anything to the resort. If they want to improve tourism how about spending money on attractions, maybe get rid of the 100 year old attractions on the beach and build something new for people to enjoy. Not spend the money on stupid art projects that nobody cares about.

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Only Fenty could spend that money on something so gaudy.  

Don't have much faith the money will be spent on anything Cleethorpes actually needs either way, I'm sure they'll take 600k and splash it on light shows and other dumb showy things like "modern art sculptures" and murals that don't add anything to the resort. If they want to improve tourism how about spending money on attractions, maybe get rid of the 100 year old attractions on the beach and build something new for people to enjoy. Not spend the money on stupid art projects that nobody cares about.



I think virtually everybody agrees with you. But when the government give money assigned to the arts, you have to spend it on that.
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I think virtually everybody agrees with you. But when the government give money assigned to the arts, you have to spend it on that.


Nice holiday under your rock?


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Been fortunate to have had many an afternoon/evening on ‘the shed’. For me, and slightly biased about it, no ground in rugby comes close to it for atmosphere


Agreed. Gloucester is an anomaly as it's a rugby union club in England with a significant working class following.
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Only Fenty could spend that money on something so gaudy.  

Don't have much faith the money will be spent on anything Cleethorpes actually needs either way, I'm sure they'll take 600k and splash it on light shows and other dumb showy things like "modern art sculptures" and murals that don't add anything to the resort. If they want to improve tourism how about spending money on attractions, maybe get rid of the 100 year old attractions on the beach and build something new for people to enjoy. Not spend the money on stupid art projects that nobody cares about.



I’m not defending the palm tree, but the attractions on the beach are private businesses. The council won’t be investing in anything like that. Their role is providing the overall environment to attract visitors.

And to be fair to pp in a later comment, money for public art must be spent on that or handed back.


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I’m not defending the palm tree, but the attractions on the beach are private businesses. The council won’t be investing in anything like that. Their role is providing the overall environment to attract visitors.

And to be fair to pp in a later comment, money for public art must be spent on that or handed back.


Well if we need to spend it on art can't we just stick an expensive metallic blob (modern art sculpture) in the middle of the seafront and be done with it? That's what all the big cities of culture do. At least it wouldn't be a laughing stock and would bring more affluent folk over who like that sort of thing.

Out of curiosity who is responsible for the eyesores on the beach that everyone's parents and grandparents probably worked on as kids?
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Agreed. Gloucester is an anomaly as it's a rugby union club in England with a significant working class following.


The 4,000 people that stand on Leicester's Crumbie Terrace are not posh I can assure you...

Back on topic. We need two big stands - a minimum 5k seat capacity down one side is needed to create a big enough under stand area for conferencing and community uses, and an away end with 3k capacity. Apart from that two smaller stands that are mainly safe standing would be fine for me - that will get us the 14k that we need. There's enough vacant land adjoining Freeman Street now for that kind of stadium and some parking. The council can get on with other land acquisitions to expand the regeneration area while the stadium is being built.

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The 4,000 people that stand on Leicester's Crumbie Terrace are not posh I can assure you...

Back on topic. We need two big stands - a minimum 5k seat capacity down one side is needed to create a big enough under stand area for conferencing and community uses, and an away end with 3k capacity. Apart from that two smaller stands that are mainly safe standing would be fine for me - that will get us the 14k that we need. There's enough vacant land adjoining Freeman Street now for that kind of stadium and some parking. The council can get on with other land acquisitions to expand the regeneration area while the stadium is being built.



What you are saying is the basis of a good plan. However you have to consider the cost, I believe £20 million was quoted some years ago for the Gt Coates site.

Presumably, the land would be free! being council and money from regeneration would help. I don't know if FA grants are available but the rest of the money would have to be found. So there will be a shortfall of a few million quid.

The problem as I see it at the moment is where is the shortfall going to come from?



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What you are saying is the basis of a good plan. However you have to consider the cost, I believe £20 million was quoted some years ago for the Gt Coates site.

Presumably, the land would be free! being council and money from regeneration would help. I don't know if FA grants are available but the rest of the money would have to be found. So there will be a shortfall of a few million quid.

The problem as I see it at the moment is where is the shortfall going to come from?



I'd hope most of it would come from the public sector - central government grant and prudential borrowing by the Council, with Town taking a lease and perhaps paying for the GTFC specific bits of the fit out - club shop, ticket office etc. One precedent is the deal West Ham have on the Olympic Stadium, I'm sure there are others.

This stadium is a good precedent, Northampton Saints - circa 15k capacity. Replace the seats at the smaller end with safe standing as the Pontoon. The end with Saints on the seats would be the away end. Atmosphere is great - all kept in the stadium

https://www.northamptonsaints.co.uk/club/our-stadium
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Only Fenty could spend that money on something so gaudy.  

Don't have much faith the money will be spent on anything Cleethorpes actually needs either way, I'm sure they'll take 600k and splash it on light shows and other dumb showy things like "modern art sculptures" and murals that don't add anything to the resort. If they want to improve tourism how about spending money on attractions, maybe get rid of the 100 year old attractions on the beach and build something new for people to enjoy. Not spend the money on stupid art projects that nobody cares about.



Funny thing Kris but currently the biggest attraction in Cleethorpes is a hut put together by locals at no cost at all?
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I am an art teacher by training and have had many a vigorous debate about the value of public art. Truth is that most of it is rubbish at best, insulting at worst and commissioned and made by people with very little understanding of the location or the possible benefits and making a connection between those two things. Artists are not people you can rely on to think in practical terms, on most occasions. But the people who commision public art certainly should be. Instead of conceptiual plastic stuff, why can't public art take the form of, say a series of wooden benches with carvings of different famous GY trawlers? Or maybe use the money to have the prow of an old trawler bolted into the Northwall as a viewing platform? Palm trees, no thanks. Politicians selling the idea of plastic palm trees to a disbelieving Cleethorpes public? No thanks. But public art can be both evocative of place and heritage as well as serving a public good, in my humble opinion.
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Well if we need to spend it on art can't we just stick an expensive metallic blob (modern art sculpture) in the middle of the seafront and be done with it? That's what all the big cities of culture do. At least it wouldn't be a laughing stock and would bring more affluent folk over who like that sort of thing.

Out of curiosity who is responsible for the eyesores on the beach that everyone's parents and grandparents probably worked on as kids?


Like I said, but m not defending the tree, so you’re barking up the wrong one 😆



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I'd hope most of it would come from the public sector - central government grant and prudential borrowing by the Council, with Town taking a lease and perhaps paying for the GTFC specific bits of the fit out - club shop, ticket office etc. One precedent is the deal West Ham have on the Olympic Stadium, I'm sure there are others.

This stadium is a good precedent, Northampton Saints - circa 15k capacity. Replace the seats at the smaller end with safe standing as the Pontoon. The end with Saints on the seats would be the away end. Atmosphere is great - all kept in the stadium

https://www.northamptonsaints.co.uk/club/our-stadium


Are you suggesting we should have safe standing? I thought that idea has been knocked on the head because we’re not allowed to because when the Taylor Report came out we were in the second tier, and are therefore doomed to be all-seater for eternity.


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Surely this could be questioned by those in charge now . Just because we were in the second tier then , we haven’t been anywhere near it for years with little likelihood in the near future. A safe standing terrace down the side to replace the main would be a cost effective way of doing an upgrade to BP for the next few years as it seems unlikely we’ll be moving for a bit . Possibly even a stand that could be moved in some way even ?


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Are you suggesting we should have safe standing? I thought that idea has been knocked on the head because we’re not allowed to because when the Taylor Report came out we were in the second tier, and are therefore doomed to be all-seater for eternity.


We've moved on considerably since then. There are various discussions taking place about it. Celtic installed a section of safe standing in 2016. Man City are planning it too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/43589867

There's no reason why we couldn't have it (Morecambe already have it), especially in a new stadium (or stand, for that matter) where it could be factored into the plans.
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Not sure why people think this council will do some "prudential borrowing" and the public sector is absolutely strapped for cash so won't hold out much hope for anything from that area. I would also think it would be better if GTFC were in control of the project and not dependent on the Council as I am sure that the new board is more experienced with attracting funding from various sources to at some point in the future look towards a new ground. However, is this the right time to be seriously looking or should the board concentrate more on the immediate issue of supporting the manager to rebuild the team and get the club back into the football league?
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The council will get the grant though. The Levelling Up Fund can’t go to a private company Prudential borrowing would be the top up of investment needed and covered by the rent that GTFC would pay. West Ham originally paid only £2.5 million rent for a 60k capacity stadium. So GTFC would need to pay about £500k per annum - circa £35 per seat / terrace place - is that affordable? May be it could be a lower starting rent plus the turnover top up.

I should add, of course, that we don't need to speculate about this stuff - we now have competent people on the Board with proper expertise in these areas...

For me, the key point is that I'd like to see safe standing at Blundell Park in the interim and then built into the plans for a new stadium and my preference on location is off Freeman Street.
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AP is a property developer,  I am sure he will have it all worked out what can and can't be done. I trust him to come up with a suitable plan and financial package to move the new stadium forward more than those on here who haven't got a clue as to what is involved.
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The council will get the grant though. The Levelling Up Fund can’t go to a private company Prudential borrowing would be the top up of investment needed and covered by the rent that GTFC would pay. West Ham originally paid only £2.5 million rent for a 60k capacity stadium. So GTFC would need to pay about £500k per annum - circa £35 per seat / terrace place - is that affordable? May be it could be a lower starting rent plus the turnover top up.

I should add, of course, that we don't need to speculate about this stuff - we now have competent people on the Board with proper expertise in these areas...

For me, the key point is that I'd like to see safe standing at Blundell Park in the interim and then built into the plans for a new stadium and my preference on location is off Freeman Street.


£500K per annum divided by 23 home games (not allowing for cups etc.) is £21,739 divided by an average gate 3,500 is about £6 per seat or just over £5 with a 4,000  ave. gate.

I don't think this is sustainable at present, however, London rents are not Grimsby rents so something a lot less in rent, say £125K may be feasible, just. At the end of the day, the council could also collect revenue from car parking, etc.





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£500K per annum divided by 23 home games (not allowing for cups etc.) is £21,739 divided by an average gate 3,500 is about £6 per seat or just over £5 with a 4,000  ave. gate.

I don't think this is sustainable at present, however, London rents are not Grimsby rents so something a lot less in rent, say £125K may be feasible, just. At the end of the day, the council could also collect revenue from car parking, etc.




Could also add conferencing facilities into the design &  retail & hospitality units around the ground floor level. A decent live music venue with around 1000 standing capacity wouldnt go a miss either. All we have at the moment is the auditorium with 2000 standing cap and docks academy with 300 standing capacity. The town misses out on so many bands routing tours via Grimsby with no decent 500-1000 cap venue, I know this for a fact as it's my line of work & I've put 700 cap shows on in town before at the beachy, but it's far from ideal and very hard to break even when you have to hire in a decent sound and lighting system & pit barrier, it also has no dressing rooms and can only be hired out to promoters outside of the tourist season.
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Could also add conferencing facilities into the design &  retail & hospitality units around the ground floor level. A decent live music venue with around 1000 standing capacity wouldnt got a miss either. All we have at the moment is the auditorium with 2000 standing cap and docks academy with 300 standing capacity. The town misses out on so many bands routing tours via Grimsby with no decent 500-1000 cap venue, I know this for a fact as it's my line of work & I've put 700 cap shows on in town before at the beachy, but it's far from ideal and very hard to break even when you have to hire in a decent sound and lighting system & pit barrier, it also has no dressing rooms and can only be hired out to promoters outside of the tourist season.


Exactly, a coordinated sporting and cultural regeneration plan will tick the boxes needed for the grant programmes. That will be part of the business case for the 5k+ capacity stand (as opposed to some tinpot Glanford Park lookalike). I agree £500k looks too high when you look at it per ticket that's why a turnover rent would be better. I would hope that in a new stadium we never have an average gate as low as 3,500 though, even in the National League. Back in the EFL we would also get a higher away fan average - even Scunthorpe might muster 2k plus...
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If the new owners get it right, I don't see why we shouldn't average over 10k. Ipswich for example,  has more or less the same population we have here, and have 12k season ticket holders. We don't have any big teams close to us, and Grimsby is a football town, so the demand is there, we just need to get it right on and off the pitch. This is why we need a new modern stadium. People of today will not put up with awful facilities any more. They demand comfort with all the bells and whistles that go with it.
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If the new owners get it right, I don't see why we shouldn't average over 10k. Ipswich for example,  has more or less the same population we have here, and have 12k season ticket holders. We don't have any big teams close to us, and Grimsby is a football town, so the demand is there, we just need to get it right on and off the pitch. This is why we need a new modern stadium. People of today will not put up with awful facilities any more. They demand comfort with all the bells and whistles that go with it.


Using a team with recent top flight pedigree and past European success isn’t probably the best example. I would say a team like Rotherham or Peterborough are probably more like us.


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Using a team with recent top flight pedigree and past European success isn’t probably the best example. I would say a team like Rotherham or Peterborough are probably more like us.


Rotherham, Lincoln and to some extent, Doncaster are all teams that could be used as an example/blue print to help build us up...


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The council will get the grant though. The Levelling Up Fund can’t go to a private company Prudential borrowing would be the top up of investment needed and covered by the rent that GTFC would pay. West Ham originally paid only £2.5 million rent for a 60k capacity stadium. So GTFC would need to pay about £500k per annum - circa £35 per seat / terrace place - is that affordable? May be it could be a lower starting rent plus the turnover top up.

I should add, of course, that we don't need to speculate about this stuff - we now have competent people on the Board with proper expertise in these areas...

For me, the key point is that I'd like to see safe standing at Blundell Park in the interim and then built into the plans for a new stadium and my preference on location is off Freeman Street.


There is absolutely no way that we would move to a new stadium and only be the tenants. Any new stadium would be owned 100% by GTFC.
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What happened at West Ham isn’t a guide. The body charged with it wanted to shift responsibility for upkeep of the Olympic Stadium onto someone else - they calculated that it was more expensive to the public purse not to virtually give it away. So West Ham got a bargain.


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Whilst the idea of stadiums being owned/operated by local councils and clubs sounds like a good idea just pop across to Italy and see the issues it causes.

One could argue that with italian politics being bent it’s a no win situation but it more than that...

It’s also notoriously difficult to get funding to redevelop and generally keep the stadia up to date, let alone ever get planning permission to build a new stadium...


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Rotherham, Lincoln and to some extent, Doncaster are all teams that could be used as an example/blue print to help build us up...


Doncaster is a good example as they went non-league and still ended up with a new stadium.


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Doncaster is a good example as they went non-league and still ended up with a new stadium.


Agreed and I appreciate they had financial issues to some extent on their return, they’re another club that made some tough but right decisions and are in a significantly better place than us...


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Whilst the idea of stadiums being owned/operated by local councils and clubs sounds like a good idea just pop across to Italy and see the issues it causes.

One could argue that with italian politics being bent it’s a no win situation but it more than that...

It’s also notoriously difficult to get funding to redevelop and generally keep the stadia up to date, let alone ever get planning permission to build a new stadium...


Our politics has gone the same way, or have you not noticed all those contracts being awarded to friends and family over the last year? Admittedly that’s central government.

At the local level I’ve heard there have been suspicious goings on too. Apparently one head of regeneration for an authority on the east coast set up a business with a convicted fraudster and then introduced him to the council. He ran a sports outfit and has fingers in construction related businesses too. Can’t remember what town it was but I read about it in Private Eye.


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Our politics has gone the same way, or have you not noticed all those contracts being awarded to friends and family over the last year? Admittedly that’s central government.

At the local level I’ve heard there have been suspicious goings on too. Apparently one head of regeneration for an authority on the east coast set up a business with a convicted fraudster and then introduced him to the council. He ran a sports outfit and has fingers in construction related businesses too. Can’t remember what town it was but I read about it in Private Eye.


Oh I don’t disagree…I just couldn’t be arsed with the pro Fenty types telling me/ya that we’re wrong…

Local politics is as corrupt here as in Italy…


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Meanwhile back on the thread, I wondered if anybody had an idea how much a new ground, excluding land (council), would cost. I am sure that there are many grants available from the government to help, using the right terminology - regeneration grant, sports development grant, arts grant ( exhibition centre/ gallery in stead of palm tree) etc.

Then of course we have our very affluent council who are piling over £100K into renovating the Grimsby cemetery house, £800k for swings and slides not to mention £400k to help fund the new cycle track on the A180. So a slight change of wording could bring in a minimum of over £1 million from the council. You could even add a cinema for 7 million!

The sale eventual sale of BP would also bring a few £100k as a housing development site. I just wondered how much shortfall there would be between the cost of a new stadium and what was available. Some loans could also come from fans giving them a better return than bank/B Society to raise the extra capital.

To me, the most important thing for the club is to get back into the EFL, new training facilities but a future plan for a new stadium in, say, 5 years is viable if the sums start to add up. Finding £X millions appears daunting at first but in largish small amounts, it could all add up.


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Meanwhile back on the thread, I wondered if anybody had an idea how much a new ground, excluding land (council), would cost. I am sure that there are many grants available from the government to help, using the right terminology - regeneration grant, sports development grant, arts grant ( exhibition centre/ gallery in stead of palm tree) etc.

Then of course we have our very affluent council who are piling over £100K into renovating the Grimsby cemetery house, £800k for swings and slides not to mention £400k to help fund the new cycle track on the A180. So a slight change of wording could bring in a minimum of over £1 million from the council. You could even add a cinema for 7 million!

The sale eventual sale of BP would also bring a few £100k as a housing development site. I just wondered how much shortfall there would be between the cost of a new stadium and what was available. Some loans could also come from fans giving them a better return than bank/B Society to raise the extra capital.

To me, the most important thing for the club is to get back into the EFL, new training facilities but a future plan for a new stadium in, say, 5 years is viable if the sums start to add up. Finding £X millions appears daunting at first but in largish small amounts, it could all add up.


£20-30 million to build it. So subject to grants, we’re 20 odd millions short.


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£20-30 million to build it. So subject to grants, we’re 20 odd millions short.


I was under the impression £20 was the figure for the Gt Coates site including the land. So without a cost for the land, the figure should be less.



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I was under the impression £20 was the figure for the Gt Coates site including the land. So without a cost for the land, the figure should be less.



I think the £20 you have quoted was the figure that JF was prepared to put in himself 😉


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I notice that in tonight's telewag the council announcing more plans with millions of funding ......an open square, a cinema, some flats, improved cycle ways linking top town and Alexandra Dock....


More importantly  " millions previously earmarked for developing new businesses around Victoria Mills has been scrapped" ..... pretty sure when this town deal money was announced it was supposed to regenerating that area, providing hundreds of new jobs, hundreds of new houses for the workers in the new jobs...blah blah.

The council are inept end of. Overspending on the b0ll0cks
they have already been playing with in Garth Lane, now the main spend in the whole scheme is ...........going to be a block of apartments !!!!  No long term jobs there, and take a look at Victoria Mills, one time big plan for "yuppie flats and loft style living" now renting out to drug and drink addicts and issues in and around there, the relatively new build posh flats opposite the old Freddie Frith site was taken on by social housing, proposed new build on the Car park where Freddie Friths used to be never even got started....and the jewel in the regeneration of the town centre is....a block of apartments. Way to go useless fckers.



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Are you lads sure that this all makes sense?  Tens of millions to replace your ground?  Surely you dont think that there is much money coming from your Council?  If your new owners really have the money and the inclination to spend it on a new ground they will not be sufficiently well healed to also purchase a decent team for you as well?
Do up the one you have.  Plan for 10,000 fans and put up with its deficiencies and spend what money you have on the infrastructure to allow the development of more home grown talent. Then have the patience for the system to deliver.
Recruit the right people to support the system.
I know you are all happy at the moment but it isn't that long ago you were equally happy at having a bold and successful Manager and planning for a bigger future.  How long before you decide this new owner is also a Numpty?
I genuinely believe that this constant banging on about a new ground is an expensive distraction.  Please forget it.
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We cannot stay at Blundell Park, it is completely unsustainable and un sustainable. There isn't the space, we wouldn't be able to build stands any higher than they already are because of the houses. The original reason for moving to Great Coates was because the council, at the time, said that they would refuse planning permission for any rebuilding of the ground. The list for moving is very long, the one for staying is one word, money. As others have pointed out, there has been many clubs, big and small, that have found the money and moved, so why not Town? Andrew Pettit has made his money in property development, and knows a thing or two about rebuilding. I am sure he will be looking at it, and will have the know how to deliver, unlike Fenty, who couldn't put up a shed in his own backyard!
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Money is not the problem. There is more grant funding sloshing around now than there has ever been - with more relaxed state aid rules attached to it (thanks Brexit - and I’m no Brexiteer). Even before, money wasn’t really the problem. How did clubs like Rotherham and Donny get their grounds funded - both clubs had shite support at their old grounds so it certainly wasn’t coming through the turnstiles?Rotherham got £8 million from the EU and council loans, probably other grants as well from the FA / Sport England. It’s about competence - competence of the clubs directors and the council to put together a suitable site, grant funding packages that comply with state aid rules and other grant, loan funding and new investment. Up to now we’ve had utter incompetence on all fronts. From what we’ve seen from 1878 so far - we are half way there - we now have competence on the clubs board. As for the council - well maybe 1878 can project manage the whole show - just tell the council what grants are needed, how to get them, what loans are needed, how to make it legally compliant. We have a much better chance of making this happen than a year ago...
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OK I can see that it would be nice for you to move to a new ground.  But there are examples of moving ground being unsuccessful.  Why do you want bigger stands? You could modernise what you've got and still house 10,000 people.  You will hardly ever need more capacity than that in the future.
You say that you HAVE to move.  They were saying that when I was working there a quarter of a century ago and somehow you have managed in the interim.
You arent a big rich club so why not spend whatever you can raise to set up a system that reduces the wage bill and the transfer budget instead of dreaming of new stadiums?
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As a matter of interest, I have just read through the excellent Cod Almighty article on the Fenty years.

The bit I found to be interesting, concerning the Great Coates project was that the council had originally supported it, but then decided  that they wanted to redevelop Garth Lane instead. Since there was only room for one development that meant that the council would only support their own pet project, putting a massive spanner in the works for Town.

Fast forward to the present day, neither project happened, Great Coates and Garth Lane are still empty. Shafted by our own council for something they could not deliver.
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As a matter of interest, I have just read through the excellent Cod Almighty article on the Fenty years.

The bit I found to be interesting, concerning the Great Coates project was that the council had originally supported it, but then decided  that they wanted to redevelop Garth Lane instead. Since there was only room for one development that meant that the council would only support their own pet project, putting a massive spanner in the works for Town.

Fast forward to the present day, neither project happened, Great Coates and Garth Lane are still empty. Shafted by our own council for something they could not deliver.


Perhaps…or may be the council recognised that the new stadium was still unlikely and great Coates was not the best site…I genuinely think we dodged a bullet there…although it still cost the club wasted thousands…


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There is/was not the skill sets to deliver any large project, stadium or otherwise on either the council or the (old) board.
Electric cables under the bus station stopping the cinema....FFS


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Not a priority, Christ give me strength. A new stadium should have been a priority since the 1990 Taylor Report.

I could not believe it when I heard Stockwood had made no contact with the council. Does that mean he has no interest in relocating to Freemo?

I can put some opening dates for the clubs mentioned earlier:

1993: Millwall
1994: Huddersfield
1995: Middlesbrough
1997: Sunderland, Stoke, Derby, Bolton
1998: Reading
1999: Wigan
2001: Southampton
2002: Leicester, Hull
2005: Swansea, Coventry

I imagine most of them didn't actually have the money to build a new arena. They probably went into serious debt, but did so because staying at their old ground was just not viable.
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Not a priority, Christ give me strength. A new stadium should have been a priority since the 1990 Taylor Report.

I could not believe it when I heard Stockwood had made no contact with the council. Does that mean he has no interest in relocating to Freemo?

I can put some opening dates for the clubs mentioned earlier:

1993: Millwall
1994: Huddersfield
1995: Middlesbrough
1997: Sunderland, Stoke, Derby, Bolton
1998: Reading
1999: Wigan
2001: Southampton
2002: Leicester, Hull
2005: Swansea, Coventry

I imagine most of them didn't actually have the money to build a new arena. They probably went into serious debt, but did so because staying at their old ground was just not viable.


You’ve missed Darlington off your list of forward thinking, debt accruing, stadium building clubs.


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Not a priority, Christ give me strength. A new stadium should have been a priority since the 1990 Taylor Report.

I could not believe it when I heard Stockwood had made no contact with the council. Does that mean he has no interest in relocating to Freemo?

I can put some opening dates for the clubs mentioned earlier:

1993: Millwall
1994: Huddersfield
1995: Middlesbrough
1997: Sunderland, Stoke, Derby, Bolton
1998: Reading
1999: Wigan
2001: Southampton
2002: Leicester, Hull
2005: Swansea, Coventry

I imagine most of them didn't actually have the money to build a new arena. They probably went into serious debt, but did so because staying at their old ground was just not viable.


Considering the previous regime never got any where in 2 decades, whilst we plummeted down the pyramid a change of strategy might not be a bad idea.


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You’ve missed Darlington off your list of forward thinking, debt accruing, stadium building clubs.


I'm not quite sure what your point is, Poojah. Sarcasm doesn't come across very well in writing.

Of course Darlington built a stadium that was far too big for their fanbase, but the likes of Hull and Reading have replaced us as second tier regulars, and even had spells in the Premier League.

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Not a priority, Christ give me strength. A new stadium should have been a priority since the 1990 Taylor Report.

I could not believe it when I heard Stockwood had made no contact with the council. Does that mean he has no interest in relocating to Freemo?

I can put some opening dates for the clubs mentioned earlier:

1993: Millwall
1994: Huddersfield
1995: Middlesbrough
1997: Sunderland, Stoke, Derby, Bolton
1998: Reading
1999: Wigan
2001: Southampton
2002: Leicester, Hull
2005: Swansea, Coventry

I imagine most of them didn't actually have the money to build a new arena. They probably went into serious debt, but did so because staying at their old ground was just not viable.


Let’s not run before we can walk, the new owners have only just got their feet under the table, they’re tasked with trying to rebuild a club that’s been decimated by the fenty years, including building a brand new squad that’s capable of getting us out of the s hit that we’ve been left in and providing professional training facilities. Give them some time.
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I wouldnt rule out Tom Shutes being interested in the ground building, declaring a non interest in the Club to build the ground, i believe there is method in his madness on pulling out, besides him not agreeing in the Fenty report of the extra funds of the supporters club shares, i reckon he will declare it in the near future.
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I'm not quite sure what your point is, Poojah. Sarcasm doesn't come across very well in writing.

Of course Darlington built a stadium that was far too big for their fanbase, but the likes of Hull and Reading have replaced us as second tier regulars, and even had spells in the Premier League.



It was merely a quick way to highlight the oversimplification of your list of clubs who have supposedly borrowed large sums of money, built stadiums and flourished. Since that apparently wasn't sufficient, I'll elaborate.

First and foremost, Hull don't own their stadium - it was paid for and is owned by Hull City Council, in turn funded by the curious local monopoly that is (or at least was) Kingston Communications. Reading's Madejski Stadium was largely funded (in the shape of interest free loans) by their owner John Madejski, a man with a current net worth of around £250m.

Swansea's Liberty Stadium is also council funded and owned. Wigan's then called JJB Stadium was funded outright by Dave Whelan (owner of JJB). Coventry's Ricoh Stadium has never been owned by the club and has been an absolute disaster. Rotherham, which you didn't mention, were handed a sizeable £5m loan by their local council to help cover the costs of their New York Stadium. Even Man City's ground is owned by the council - where would they be today had Manchester not hosted the 2002 Commonwealth Games?

If you want a real success story, go and take a look at Brighton. Tony Bloom lent the club the full £90 required to fund the AMEX Stadium, interest free, and his total loans to the club now exceed £350m. No problem, since the club is now worth considerably more than that. Speculate to accumulate, as long as you do it well.

My point is this, whilst not the only ways to fund a stadium, having a wealthy benefactor and / or a helpful council makes life significantly easier. We have had neither of those - just a blinkered, incompetent buffoon chasing a slew of pipe dream enabling developments and a disinterested, visionless local council. Even now,  we have apparently competent owners but I don't think they quite fall into 'wealthy benefactor' territory.

So, since you inferred it might be a sensible way forward, why don't our competent new owners go and competently borrow the money? Simple answer - because they can't, at least nowhere near enough to fund it on its own.

If Town were to build a new stadium to a desirable standard, you're looking at a bill of somewhere in the region of £30m. Naming rights, grants etc. could cover some of that but you're still looking at a shortfall north of £20m. No financial institution is going to lend a struggling, non-league club that kind of sum with no security.

That's the problem with stadiums - they don't work like normal property. If I default on my mortgage, the bank can repossess an asset worth more than my outstanding loan (unless I'm in negative equity, but that's the reason you don't see 100% mortgages anymore). But if a stadium costs £30m to build, its actual market value is substantially (and I mean substantially) less than that. It's barely worth anything to anyone but the club.

Case in point, Darlington Arena cost £18m to build in 2003 (so in today's construction money, that's about £35m+). When they went out of business, it was eventually sold to local rugby club Mowden Park for £2m, about 5% of its real terms build cost.

So, wrapping up, Jason Stockwood said that a new stadium was not a 'priority', not that it wasn't 'important'. That's very different. When you draw up a priority list, you don't just put all the really big, important stuff at the top - you have to temper that with things that can make small differences and yet be delivered quickly. A lot of things have been allowed to rot during the pursuit of the doomed Fentydome, and they need fixing.

I am sure that a new stadium remains very much on the new owners' agenda, but we have a number of holes to plug first. A redeveloped BP is probably the most pragmatic option since we already own the land and could redevelop a stand at a time, reducing the borrowing burden. Whether that's the right thing, I'm not sure. However, I am confident that all options will be considered and when the time is right, the best one will be pursued subject to a level of due diligence that has been grossly lacking in all previous failed attempts.


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It was merely a quick way to highlight the oversimplification of your list of clubs who have supposedly borrowed large sums of money, built stadiums and flourished. Since that apparently wasn't sufficient, I'll elaborate.

First and foremost, Hull don't own their stadium - it was paid for and is owned by Hull City Council, in turn funded by the curious local monopoly that is (or at least was) Kingston Communications. Reading's Madejski Stadium was largely funded (in the shape of interest free loans) by their owner John Madejski, a man with a current net worth of around £250m.

Swansea's Liberty Stadium is also council funded and owned. Wigan's then called JJB Stadium was funded outright by Dave Whelan (owner of JJB). Coventry's Ricoh Stadium has never been owned by the club and has been an absolute disaster. Rotherham, which you didn't mention, were handed a sizeable £5m loan by their local council to help cover the costs of their New York Stadium. Even Man City's ground is owned by the council - where would they be today had Manchester not hosted the 2002 Commonwealth Games?

If you want a real success story, go and take a look at Brighton. Tony Bloom lent the club the full £90 required to fund the AMEX Stadium, interest free, and his total loans to the club now exceed £350m. No problem, since the club is now worth considerably more than that. Speculate to accumulate, as long as you do it well.

My point is this, whilst not the only ways to fund a stadium, having a wealthy benefactor and / or a helpful council makes life significantly easier. We have had neither of those - just a blinkered, incompetent buffoon chasing a slew of pipe dream enabling developments and a disinterested, visionless local council. Even now,  we have apparently competent owners but I don't think they quite fall into 'wealthy benefactor' territory.

So, since you inferred it might be a sensible way forward, why don't our competent new owners go and competently borrow the money? Simple answer - because they can't, at least nowhere near enough to fund it on its own.

If Town were to build a new stadium to a desirable standard, you're looking at a bill of somewhere in the region of £30m. Naming rights, grants etc. could cover some of that but you're still looking at a shortfall north of £20m. No financial institution is going to lend a struggling, non-league club that kind of sum with no security.

That's the problem with stadiums - they don't work like normal property. If I default on my mortgage, the bank can repossess an asset worth more than my outstanding loan (unless I'm in negative equity, but that's the reason you don't see 100% mortgages anymore). But if a stadium costs £30m to build, its actual market value is substantially (and I mean substantially) less than that. It's barely worth anything to anyone but the club.

Case in point, Darlington Arena cost £18m to build in 2003 (so in today's construction money, that's about £35m+). When they went out of business, it was eventually sold to local rugby club Mowden Park for £2m, about 5% of its real terms build cost.

So, wrapping up, Jason Stockwood said that a new stadium was not a 'priority', not that it wasn't 'important'. That's very different. When you draw up a priority list, you don't just put all the really big, important stuff at the top - you have to temper that with things that can make small differences and yet be delivered quickly. A lot of things have been allowed to rot during the pursuit of the doomed Fentydome, and they need fixing.

I am sure that a new stadium remains very much on the new owners' agenda, but we have a number of holes to plug first. A redeveloped BP is probably the most pragmatic option since we already own the land and could redevelop a stand at a time, reducing the borrowing burden. Whether that's the right thing, I'm not sure. However, I am confident that all options will be considered and when the time is right, the best one will be pursued subject to a level of due diligence that has been grossly lacking in all previous failed attempts.


All good stuff....the only issue in the redeveloping route is the council historically have said they wouldn't grant permissions for redevelopment of B.P......whether that has changed I dont know , maybe the new owners have the skills and wherewithall to overcome that anyway.


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Just knock the main stand down and build a new one that stretchers the full length of the pitch and fill in the other corners that will give us a 12,000 capacity which is enough for a good few years.

Look at it again if we get to the championship and decide if we need a brand new stadium and a load of debt.


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It was merely a quick way to highlight the oversimplification of your list of clubs who have supposedly borrowed large sums of money, built stadiums and flourished. Since that apparently wasn't sufficient, I'll elaborate.

First and foremost, Hull don't own their stadium - it was paid for and is owned by Hull City Council, in turn funded by the curious local monopoly that is (or at least was) Kingston Communications. Reading's Madejski Stadium was largely funded (in the shape of interest free loans) by their owner John Madejski, a man with a current net worth of around £250m.

Swansea's Liberty Stadium is also council funded and owned. Wigan's then called JJB Stadium was funded outright by Dave Whelan (owner of JJB). Coventry's Ricoh Stadium has never been owned by the club and has been an absolute disaster. Rotherham, which you didn't mention, were handed a sizeable £5m loan by their local council to help cover the costs of their New York Stadium. Even Man City's ground is owned by the council - where would they be today had Manchester not hosted the 2002 Commonwealth Games?

If you want a real success story, go and take a look at Brighton. Tony Bloom lent the club the full £90 required to fund the AMEX Stadium, interest free, and his total loans to the club now exceed £350m. No problem, since the club is now worth considerably more than that. Speculate to accumulate, as long as you do it well.

My point is this, whilst not the only ways to fund a stadium, having a wealthy benefactor and / or a helpful council makes life significantly easier. We have had neither of those - just a blinkered, incompetent buffoon chasing a slew of pipe dream enabling developments and a disinterested, visionless local council. Even now,  we have apparently competent owners but I don't think they quite fall into 'wealthy benefactor' territory.

So, since you inferred it might be a sensible way forward, why don't our competent new owners go and competently borrow the money? Simple answer - because they can't, at least nowhere near enough to fund it on its own.

If Town were to build a new stadium to a desirable standard, you're looking at a bill of somewhere in the region of £30m. Naming rights, grants etc. could cover some of that but you're still looking at a shortfall north of £20m. No financial institution is going to lend a struggling, non-league club that kind of sum with no security.

That's the problem with stadiums - they don't work like normal property. If I default on my mortgage, the bank can repossess an asset worth more than my outstanding loan (unless I'm in negative equity, but that's the reason you don't see 100% mortgages anymore). But if a stadium costs £30m to build, its actual market value is substantially (and I mean substantially) less than that. It's barely worth anything to anyone but the club.

Case in point, Darlington Arena cost £18m to build in 2003 (so in today's construction money, that's about £35m+). When they went out of business, it was eventually sold to local rugby club Mowden Park for £2m, about 5% of its real terms build cost.

So, wrapping up, Jason Stockwood said that a new stadium was not a 'priority', not that it wasn't 'important'. That's very different. When you draw up a priority list, you don't just put all the really big, important stuff at the top - you have to temper that with things that can make small differences and yet be delivered quickly. A lot of things have been allowed to rot during the pursuit of the doomed Fentydome, and they need fixing.

I am sure that a new stadium remains very much on the new owners' agenda, but we have a number of holes to plug first. A redeveloped BP is probably the most pragmatic option since we already own the land and could redevelop a stand at a time, reducing the borrowing burden. Whether that's the right thing, I'm not sure. However, I am confident that all options will be considered and when the time is right, the best one will be pursued subject to a level of due diligence that has been grossly lacking in all previous failed attempts.

No offence Poojah mate but I don't read books  



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No offence Poojah mate but I don't read books  



I tried the sarcy one-liner and he didn’t like that. What am I to do!?


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Just knock the main stand down and build a new one that stretchers the full length of the pitch and fill in the other corners that will give us a 12,000 capacity which is enough for a good few years.

Look at it again if we get to the championship and decide if we need a brand new stadium and a load of debt.


I've often thought that we should look to extend the Findus and then move on to rebuilding the Main Stand and Osmond at the same height as they are now.
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I've often thought that we should look to extend the Findus and then move on to rebuilding the Main Stand and Osmond at the same height as they are now.


Unfortunately, I don't think the residents and council would be too keen on all the upheaval, Pete. As I mentioned before, the council said that they would not be that open to rebuilding, which led us to start looking at moving to Great Coates.
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Just knock the main stand down and build a new one that stretchers the full length of the pitch and fill in the other corners that will give us a 12,000 capacity which is enough for a good few years.

Look at it again if we get to the championship and decide if we need a brand new stadium and a load of debt.


Redeveloping BP will cost more than building a new stadium, plus there's very little way to recover any costs from an enabling development or sponsorship. And the suggestion to spend £10M+ then think about binning that off if we get to the championship, is absurd. Although we'll unlikely get there in the next 20 years, so I guess it's a moot point.
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isn't the main stand a listed building if so not so easy just to ''Knock it down ''
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The last three days have been spent removing the manky and rusting fence in the corner where the fanzone is being located and replacing it with a new blockwork wall, which was decided upon when the council became involved. Originally, the fence was going to be left in situ and a new one put up in front of it.

The residents at the back of the area we've been working on are very pleased to be looking at something tidy for the first time in decades, instead of a rusting mismatch of corrugated iron, bits of wood  and barbed wire.

I think the residents would be pleased to see something done with the rest of it, should it be decided to upgrade the existing stands, but don't underestimate how much work would be involved in redeveloping BP. You then are restricted to working with what you have in terms of space. The access needed for what is a major construction job would be challenging to say the least.

There has been countless contractors down there and at Cheapside, doing stuff that's needed doing for a long time, but when fans arrive for the first home game, apart from the obvious fanzone, the rest of the work will be largely unnoticed. Most efforts at the moment are aimed at improving facilities and conditions for the players for the coming season.

It would take a hell of a lot of time and money to bring BP into the 21st century and to my mind, it would be far simpler, quicker and probably cheaper to move to a new ground.
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Redeveloping BP will cost more than building a new stadium, plus there's very little way to recover any costs from an enabling development or sponsorship. And the suggestion to spend £10M+ then think about binning that off if we get to the championship, is absurd. Although we'll unlikely get there in the next 20 years, so I guess it's a moot point.


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Unfortunately, I don't think the residents and council would be too keen on all the upheaval, Pete. As I mentioned before, the council said that they would not be that open to rebuilding, which led us to start looking at moving to Great Coates.


Purely playing devils advocate here but if we move to a new stadium, how long will it be until a derelict Blundell Park is attacked by arsonists?
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Your glass really is empty PP.


It's not empty, that's not our level. Punching above your weight is so much harder now than it ever has been before. 5k fans isn't sustainable to get us to that level without a sugar daddy and I don't want one of those. I don't have any grand expectations of what's to come, I'll be happy with being at the top end of a league again, although not the league any of us want to be watching.
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Fair enough, but I think we are capable of sustained League 1, with forays into the Championship with the right people making the right decisions.

Burton, Scunny, Rotherham to name 3 have managed it recently.
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Ok, first of all I know nothing about high finance, development loans ect. absolutely nothing.  Anyway I read in a post here the other day that JS was worth £450M, I have no idea how much Mr Pettit is worth, so is £30M out of our two owners pockets too much to ask for, or is it something that is just not done?


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Ok, first of all I know nothing about high finance, development loans ect. absolutely nothing.  Anyway I read in a post here the other day that JS was worth £450M, I have no idea how much Mr Pettit is worth, so is £30M out of our two owners pockets too much to ask for, or is it something that is just not done?


JS worth £450m? If that’s the case that’s way more than I had expected. I know Simply Business was sold for around £400m, but was he a major shareholder?


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I have no idea, it was only what I saw on a post here, but I can't remember which one.


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JS may be worth £450m but that does not mean he has access to that worth as cash to spend.
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I know, but as I said, I have no financial knowledge, however just a couple of minutes research showed a different picture saying his Cash at Bank was £32.5M.  I also saw something about a business he was involved in, it was Simply (something) had sold for £400M


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Ok, first of all I know nothing about high finance, development loans ect. absolutely nothing.  Anyway I read in a post here the other day that JS was worth £450M, I have no idea how much Mr Pettit is worth, so is £30M out of our two owners pockets too much to ask for, or is it something that is just not done?


Would be amazed if it was anything close to a tenth of £450m.
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Rich people do not keep much cash in the bank they have it invested in other things that brings in more money.

Then that can withdraw 20 million quid to have a 10 minute flight into space.

Maybe 1878 will pay for a new stadium I just don't want our club forced to take on a load of debt.

To be fair I don't think Jason and Andrew want to either.


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Ok, first of all I know nothing about high finance, development loans ect. absolutely nothing.  Anyway I read in a post here the other day that JS was worth £450M, I have no idea how much Mr Pettit is worth, so is £30M out of our two owners pockets too much to ask for, or is it something that is just not done?


Don't think it's anywhere near that. Google suggests about £33M, which is less than I thought. Don't think that's an awful lot more than Fenty. I found an interesting article about him, which has 2 interesting lines about GTFC/JF

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Last year, Stockwood was named the best leader of a mid-sized company and received personal praise for completing a hat-trick at The Sunday Times for enthusiastic Grimsby Town fans. And although he has a strong emotional commitment, he does not expect himself to become financially involved in Blundell Park.

“I never say, but I have no plans to do so,” he said while in London, understanding how Wembley is becoming a second home these days. “I think John Fenty is doing a great job. It’s a miracle that he’s been doing the last few years,” he enthusiastically said.


https://londonnewstime.com/who.....msby-town-fc/229830/
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Don't think it's anywhere near that. Google suggests about £33M, which is less than I thought. Don't think that's an awful lot more than Fenty. I found an interesting article about him, which has 2 interesting lines about GTFC/JF



https://londonnewstime.com/who.....msby-town-fc/229830/


It wouldn’t exactly be a great business move to say anything other than positive things about another businessman in the media, especially one who he knew he would have to keep onside if the takeover was to go through (bearing in mind these comments were made last year, and negotiations had been ongoing for 18 months according to the previous regime). The consortium wasn’t common knowledge at that point so would have to be kept under wraps. I think the interviews after the takeover was completed and the one word answers and body language from JS and AP when questioned about a certain previous non chairman say far more.


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I don’t know what language that last article was written in PP, but it certainly isn’t English as she is written as I learn from a book. Apps for the translating of language should not for the be trusted on his own make proper reading in target language.


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I don’t know what language that last article was written in PP, but it certainly isn’t English as she is written as I learn from a book. Apps for the translating of language should not for the be trusted on his own make proper reading in target language.


Surely you mean " taught from a book "  or " learnt from a book " . Pedantic ?  Of course !


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Surely you mean " taught from a book "  or " learnt from a book " . Pedantic ?  Of course !


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Surely you mean " taught from a book "  or " learnt from a book " . Pedantic ?  Of course !


Haha Whoosh.




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Haha Whoosh.



Fair point.


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Redeveloping BP will cost more than building a new stadium, plus there's very little way to recover any costs from an enabling development or sponsorship. And the suggestion to spend £10M+ then think about binning that off if we get to the championship, is absurd. Although we'll unlikely get there in the next 20 years, so I guess it's a moot point.


Nothing like positive thinking, unless your brain is permanently negative! Even the last regime, tongue in cheek, mooted 5 years. For me with our current owners and management 10 years max (if that) before we're knocking on the door.

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The last three days have been spent removing the manky and rusting fence in the corner where the fanzone is being located and replacing it with a new blockwork wall, which was decided upon when the council became involved. Originally, the fence was going to be left in situ and a new one put up in front of it.

The residents at the back of the area we've been working on are very pleased to be looking at something tidy for the first time in decades, instead of a rusting mismatch of corrugated iron, bits of wood  and barbed wire.

I think the residents would be pleased to see something done with the rest of it, should it be decided to upgrade the existing stands, but don't underestimate how much work would be involved in redeveloping BP. You then are restricted to working with what you have in terms of space. The access needed for what is a major construction job would be challenging to say the least.

There has been countless contractors down there and at Cheapside, doing stuff that's needed doing for a long time, but when fans arrive for the first home game, apart from the obvious fanzone, the rest of the work will be largely unnoticed. Most efforts at the moment are aimed at improving facilities and conditions for the players for the coming season.

It would take a hell of a lot of time and money to bring BP into the 21st century and to my mind, it would be far simpler, quicker and probably cheaper to move to a new ground.


Excellent post Ginny, many people don't realise how work goes on before the last coat of paint is applied.



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It wouldn’t exactly be a great business move to say anything other than positive things about another businessman in the media, especially one who he knew he would have to keep onside if the takeover was to go through (bearing in mind these comments were made last year, and negotiations had been ongoing for 18 months according to the previous regime). The consortium wasn’t common knowledge at that point so would have to be kept under wraps. I think the interviews after the takeover was completed and the one word answers and body language from JS and AP when questioned about a certain previous non chairman say far more.


If somebody asked me if I was interested in buying a football club and I didn't like what the current owner was doing, I'd just say the "no plans to do so part". Praising somebody in response to a question about his own intentions makes no sense. Also, if that interview was last year, which it reads like it was, then he'd been talking about investing in the club for over 2 years. Maybe talking about it breached the NDA, but it didn't stop them at every other opportunity.
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If somebody asked me if I was interested in buying a football club and I didn't like what the current owner was doing, I'd just say the "no plans to do so part". Praising somebody in response to a question about his own intentions makes no sense. Also, if that interview was last year, which it reads like it was, then he'd been talking about investing in the club for over 2 years. Maybe talking about it breached the NDA, but it didn't stop them at every other opportunity.


I really don't know what your beef is with the new owners but you definitely have one it seems.

I met Jason yesterday when he came to see the work being done on the ground. Very nice chap and the sort you warm to immediately. Of course, he could be a smiling assassin with an outward persona of affability, but that's not the impression I got, or others at the ground who have had more contact with him than I have. Maybe he's just the sort of person who would rather praise someone than criticize, even bearing in mind the fact he was negotiating to take over the business of the person he was bigging up.

What is apparent is that he's a genuine fan, as was JF, but he's one who is, along with Andrew Pettit, putting a lot of time and money into the club. At the moment, I can't see any reason to doubt their intentions and for the first time in a long time, we are being positively proactive, instead of reactive.

The team will be ready, the pitch will be ready, the training facilities will be ready, so it's time to forget the old regime and see what the new one brings. From what I have seen, it will be an upward trajectory.
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I really don't know what your beef is with the new owners but you definitely have one it seems.

I met Jason yesterday when he came to see the work being done on the ground. Very nice chap and the sort you warm to immediately. Of course, he could be a smiling assassin with an outward persona of affability, but that's not the impression I got, or others at the ground who have had more contact with him than I have. Maybe he's just the sort of person who would rather praise someone than criticize, even bearing in mind the fact he was negotiating to take over the business of the person he was bigging up.

What is apparent is that he's a genuine fan, as was JF, but he's one who is, along with Andrew Pettit, putting a lot of time and money into the club. At the moment, I can't see any reason to doubt their intentions and for the first time in a long time, we are being positively proactive, instead of reactive.

The team will be ready, the pitch will be ready, the training facilities will be ready, so it's time to forget the old regime and see what the new one brings. From what I have seen, it will be an upward trajectory.


Ironic really isn’t it. PP made comments about the likes of you and I, Forza etc about having something against Fenty yet here he is with a similar sense of cynicism and almost agenda against the new owners.

My own opinion of Fenty goes beyond his ineptitude at running and in turn ruining our club…


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Are you lads sure that this all makes sense?  Tens of millions to replace your ground?  Surely you dont think that there is much money coming from your Council?  If your new owners really have the money and the inclination to spend it on a new ground they will not be sufficiently well healed to also purchase a decent team for you as well?
Do up the one you have.  Plan for 10,000 fans and put up with its deficiencies and spend what money you have on the infrastructure to allow the development of more home grown talent. Then have the patience for the system to deliver.
Recruit the right people to support the system.
I know you are all happy at the moment but it isn't that long ago you were equally happy at having a bold and successful Manager and planning for a bigger future.  How long before you decide this new owner is also a Numpty?
I genuinely believe that this constant banging on about a new ground is an expensive distraction.  Please forget it.

The new owners have said that redeveloping Blundell Park is something they'll look into and they've also said that new stadium plans aren't an immediate priority. They've also talked numerous times about bringing in the right people to support the club and to help develop us. You might benefit from actually listening to some of their interviews before posting about them next time, perhaps? Any criticism directed towards the old regime was born out of a combination of incompetence, an unwillingness to keep up with the modern world of football and a  complete lack of respect towards the fans. The new owners are making a concerted effort to not only be progressive with their plan of where the they want us to be but in engaging with the supporters in a way that the previous owners and board never did. As long as they continue to do this, they won't be berated by the vast majority of Town fans. There seems to be this misguided notion among certain lower league clubs/fans/people that we're hyper-critical of anyone in positions of authority at our club. This is complete nonsense, it's more to do with the fact that we've always had idiots at the helm.

The development of youth players is pretty bloody good right now too, for the size of our club and the category of our academy. I think you're underestimating how much money is needed to progress up to the categories.

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OK I can see that it would be nice for you to move to a new ground.  But there are examples of moving ground being unsuccessful.  Why do you want bigger stands? You could modernise what you've got and still house 10,000 people.  You will hardly ever need more capacity than that in the future.
You say that you HAVE to move.  They were saying that when I was working there a quarter of a century agoand somehow you have managed in the interim.
You arent a big rich club so why not spend whatever you can raise to set up a system that reduces the wage bill and the transfer budget instead of dreaming of new stadiums?

A quarter of a century ago we were in the second tier. Since then we've almost gone under, been relegated five times and are kicking off this coming season three levels below where we were when you worked there. If that's "have managed in the interim" then I think I speak for most of us when I say I'd rather we took a gamble on a new stadium. I'm not anti-developing Blundell Park either, the likelihood is though that that's almost certainly a romantic ideal. I'd love for us to extend some of the stands and make it all shiny and new looking but Blundell Park is a relic. It would take a lot of time, effort and money to do it up. If you think this is just about capacity too, you're again barking up the wrong tree. The state of the place has been putting players off signing for us for years now. It will be a sad day if/when we play our last match at Blundell Park, but you'd be hard pushed to find anyone arguing against it being the right time.
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At some time in the not too distant future we will need a new ground but for the time being we need to regroup. Consolidate what we have now got and feel our way with the new regime. Wherever that ground is I am 100%sure that it won't be on the docks. Now that the area has Freeport status I don't think ABP would let a potential money making industrial opportunity be used for a football stadium


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Sooner rather than later we won't be issued with a safety certificate for the main stand. Do we start to look at relocating, or rebuild the main stand?
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I don't see why some people are not getting fully behind the new owners.

12 months ago we had management and owner singing to the same tune, covid, we don't need quality players, save money it'll all be over by Christmas with clubs going bust. How true that was, it was all over by Christmas for us.

Now we have new management and owners. Investment at Cheapside, ground improvements, and some quality players coming in. What is there to criticise when the season hasn't even kicked off.


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Redeveloping BP will cost more than building a new stadium, plus there's very little way to recover any costs from an enabling development or sponsorship. And the suggestion to spend £10M+ then think about binning that off if we get to the championship, is absurd. Although we'll unlikely get there in the next 20 years, so I guess it's a moot point.


Incredible negativity again as per the other threads.
The bitterness you seem to possess seemingly overrides any positivity in going forward
What a sad situation.




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Incredible negativity again as per the other threads.
The bitterness you seem to possess seemingly overrides any positivity in going forward
What a sad situation.



Some people never realise that when 99.9999% of people say and believe one thing and you are in the 0.0001% then there is a likehood you are wrong.


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Sooner rather than later we won't be issued with a safety certificate for the main stand. Do we start to look at relocating, or rebuild the main stand?


I said it the other day but a derelict Blundell Park would be a huge safety risk too. The chances of us moving out and the bulldozers being in on Monday are virtually zero and there would be a chance of it going the way of Birds Eye, Littlefields and Garth Lane.
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Sooner rather than later we won't be issued with a safety certificate for the main stand. Do we start to look at relocating, or rebuild the main stand?


We'll find out soon. The last permit is about to run out and an inspection is due imminently.
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I really don't know what your beef is with the new owners but you definitely have one it seems.

I met Jason yesterday when he came to see the work being done on the ground. Very nice chap and the sort you warm to immediately. Of course, he could be a smiling assassin with an outward persona of affability, but that's not the impression I got, or others at the ground who have had more contact with him than I have. Maybe he's just the sort of person who would rather praise someone than criticize, even bearing in mind the fact he was negotiating to take over the business of the person he was bigging up.

What is apparent is that he's a genuine fan, as was JF, but he's one who is, along with Andrew Pettit, putting a lot of time and money into the club. At the moment, I can't see any reason to doubt their intentions and for the first time in a long time, we are being positively proactive, instead of reactive.

The team will be ready, the pitch will be ready, the training facilities will be ready, so it's time to forget the old regime and see what the new one brings. From what I have seen, it will be an upward trajectory.


I agree that he comes across well and has the club's best interests at heart. Not sure they put any more time in than others have, but that doesn't stop their time being valuable. I also see improvements in what the club has done and hopefully signing players early means that we will be at the top end of the league.

But it is true that they negotiated in public, which is not only in bad taste, but also against the rules of a PLC. Remember that they wanted the shareholders to vote becoming private before taking over? Ever thought that might not be a coincidence and that they were in trouble with the takeover panel? Of course it's stupid and we were never truly a PLC in the first place, but that doesn't make it any more right than Fenty and Rouse forcing out Ramsden (if that is what happened).
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I agree that he comes across well and has the club's best interests at heart. Not sure they put any more time in than others have, but that doesn't stop their time being valuable. I also see improvements in what the club has done and hopefully signing players early means that we will be at the top end of the league.

But it is true that they negotiated in public, which is not only in bad taste, but also against the rules of a PLC. Remember that they wanted the shareholders to vote becoming private before taking over? Ever thought that might not be a coincidence and that they were in trouble with the takeover panel? Of course it's stupid and we were never truly a PLC in the first place, but that doesn't make it any more right than Fenty and Rouse forcing out Ramsden (if that is what happened).


Fenty negotiated in public by issuing a ransom on Christmas Eve.
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Can’t see any evidence of 1878 negotiating in public. As James said we had statements from Fenty.


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Is the cemetery extension still a possibility for the club? When land adjacent to Peaks Parkway was sold a couple of years ago, the estate agent said it had permission for a stadium.
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Fenty was planning to put fast food takeaways and a petrol station next to the crematorium. I don't know how he can sleep at night.

Has Stockwood stated his ambition for the club? If he is content to yo-yo between the third and fourth divisions, then that could explain why he says a new stadium is not a priority.
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Has Stockwood stated his ambition for the club? If he is content to yo-yo between the third and fourth divisions, then that could explain why he says a new stadium is not a priority.


No, I think it’s more to do with how Fenty’s obsession with a new stadium he was fundamentally incapable of delivering allowed practically every other aspect of the club’s infrastructure to rot to the core.

You can’t really prioritise planning the dream home you’ve always wanted to build whilst your current one is on fire. Probably best extinguish those flames first, eh…


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Fenty was planning to put fast food takeaways and a petrol station next to the crematorium. I don't know how he can sleep at night.

Has Stockwood stated his ambition for the club? If he is content to yo-yo between the third and fourth divisions, then that could explain why he says a new stadium is not a priority.


Will be a vast improvement on yo-yoing between the fourth and fifth divisions utm
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I dont think Tom Shutes is out of the equation yet. We all know why he left the consortium, but he can now declare his hand, and he has the backing of investors, yes,he will be in it for the money, but who isnt nowadays, we will see.
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I would say the current owners are a little more inclined to try the speculate to accumulate approach to making b.p more viable.
JF had always stated B.P is a white elephant for most of the year and was always pushing the 7 day a week angle, hence didnt want to spend anything on the ground.
So far the new approach looks like trying to give customers what they want in the hope of getting more through the door or getting the existing customers to spend more whilst they are there.
That wont solve the more year round use but I think they trust themselves to improve income all round by being a more professionally run set up.




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I said it the other day but a derelict Blundell Park would be a huge safety risk too. The chances of us moving out and the bulldozers being in on Monday are virtually zero and there would be a chance of it going the way of Birds Eye, Littlefields and Garth Lane.


If Town ever left BP, I don't think it would be left to rot like Garth Lane. It surely wouldn't be too difficult to dismantle the stands.

Logically, Imperial Ave and Constitutional Ave will be extended and new terraced houses built. I would like each house to have a couple of bricks near the front door inscribed with a club legend.

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I reckon that if we moved to another new ground, Blundell Park would be turned into allotments for the public, as the soil over the last few years would be viable for vegetables, and we could name the site as Holloway Veggies
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Quoted from dicko995
I reckon that if we moved to another new ground, Blundell Park would be turned into allotments for the public, as the soil over the last few years would be viable for vegetables, and we could name the site as Holloway Veggies


It could sell compost named after some of the manure we've been forced to watch throughout this millennium.
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It's well fertilised,  with the sh1te its had on it the last couple of seasons!
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Can't use the Morrisons site because there is a 1 in 4 gradient and the ball would keep going in that pond


Joking aside, this plan for 3,800 houses is the new stadium enabling development staring us in the face, surely?

I would have preferred Freemo, but the club doesn't appear to have any enthusiasm for the old flats site.

One good thing about Grimsby West is that there won't be any objections from local residents. House buyers will put down a deposit knowing there will be a football ground in the area.

To be honest, I had never heard of Freshney 'valley' until recently.

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Joking aside, this plan for 3,800 houses is the new stadium enabling development staring us in the face, surely?

I would have preferred Freemo, but the club doesn't appear to have any enthusiasm for the old flats site.

One good thing about Grimsby West is that there won't be any objections from local residents. House buyers will put down a deposit knowing there will be a football ground in the area.

To be honest, I had never heard of Freshney 'valley' until recently.



Agree that this is a viable location. Right side of town for away fans, links to A180 and A46.
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It's full of dog shite in small black bags.
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Quoted from golfer
It's full of dog shite in small black bags.


Thats Posh, they dont even bother to bag the dog shite around BP so would be a upgrade!
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The Telegraph has reported that the council's request for relief road funding has been turned down by the government. That's surely a blow for a Grimsby West stadium.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/disappointment-over-grimsby-west-relief-6128528
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Quoted from White_shorts
The Telegraph has reported that the council's request for relief road funding has been turned down by the government. That's surely a blow for a Grimsby West stadium.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/disappointment-over-grimsby-west-relief-6128528


The leader will "review the bid"...fking tin pot from the council again.
Town centre plans had to/ are being reviewed as well as falling short of targets.

Clueless.


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I am aware the new owners are currently looking at re-developing the main stand, so on that point there is no urgency to leave BP
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If true then this is fantastic news . Moving to an overpriced soul less stadium isn’t the way forward for gtfc in my opinion. Yes I get all the revenue stream arguments but does the wider area have the financial potential to service and make a new stadium viable. I’m not convinced.


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Quoted from BS baffles brains
I am aware the new owners are currently looking at re-developing the main stand, so on that point there is no urgency to leave BP


Sounds good to me, but is it a case of wood glue and nails, or a rebuild?



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Quoted from DB


Sounds good to me, but is it a case of wood glue and nails, or a rebuild?


Using the services of a well known local architect, even better,  monies staying local
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Quoted from louth_in_the_south
If true then this is fantastic news . Moving to an overpriced soul less stadium isn’t the way forward for gtfc in my opinion. Yes I get all the revenue stream arguments but does the wider area have the financial potential to service and make a new stadium viable. I’m not convinced.


I would say yes it does, but I trust 1878 judgement on this - they have the right combination of expertise with the track record...

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With a decent replacement for the main stand built, the ground would look completely different.
Just throwing another idea out there … could it be rail seats / safe standing?


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I much prefer the idea of rebuilding the main stand. A massive piece of history lost of course, which is a shame. But we get to keep BP!


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Quoted from louth_in_the_south

With a decent replacement for the main stand built, the ground would look completely different.
Just throwing another idea out there … could it be rail seats / safe standing?


A kind of mini Kippax Stand- interesting but would never be allowed. Safe standing if allowed will probably have to be a relatively small % of the overall capacity. Also think demand for standing places would be much lower than in the 70s. Maybe 3k maximum for Town?
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If the Main stand was to be rebuilt would it have to be same height etc to pass planning..
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I much prefer the idea of rebuilding the main stand. A massive piece of history lost of course, which is a shame. But we get to keep BP!


Yeah, because BP has such great memories for most of us. Not.

Get rid of it, it’s sh#t.
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If true then that’s brilliant. Get a new one running the full length of the pitch and allow for potentially connecting a new Pontoon and Osmond which in time would wrap fully around to the Smiths. Ideally we’d want something similar in capacity to the Co-Op at Lincoln (5700) but even just stretching down the extra third of the length of the pitch would turn 2277 into approx circa3500.
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If true then that’s brilliant. Get a new one running the full length of the pitch and allow for potentially connecting a new Pontoon and Osmond which in time would wrap fully around to the Smiths. Ideally we’d want something similar in capacity to the Co-Op at Lincoln (5700) but even just stretching down the extra third of the length of the pitch would turn 2277 into approx circa3500.


I’m not sure it would. A new modern stand would surely have a smaller capacity than one built a hundred years ago? There’s no room to make it deeper.

The seats at the back are useless, and presumably they wouldn’t be able to have the roof any higher, so I think even if it does run the full length of the pitch, the capacity would be similar to what it currently is?
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No we have to move away from BP I have great memories of games going back to the 70's but it's had it's day


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Quoted from louth_in_the_south
If true then this is fantastic news . Moving to an overpriced soul less stadium isn’t the way forward for gtfc in my opinion. Yes I get all the revenue stream arguments but does the wider area have the financial potential to service and make a new stadium viable. I’m not convinced.


Two questions? Why do you assume a new stadium would be overpriced? And why if built correctly would you assume it would be soulless?

Even if BP was redeveloped, the capacity maybe could only be increased by a couple of thousand due to its footprint. Still no 24/7 money making possibilities. A weird huge side stand that only runs 50% of the pitch dwarfing the rest of the stadium, a decrepit away end not fit for purpose, a home end that's too small to generate any significant atmosphere, lack of parking, lack of local pubs and eateries etc etc etc the problems remain if the Main Stand was redeveloped.

Can't get back to BP much, but every time I do I find it a pretty soulless experience a fifth of the way through the 21st century..

Remaining at BP will ensure that there's a lower glass ceiling to what we can achieve as a club compared to moving to bigger, better and higher potential income facilities.. all depends on the net cost of a new stadium and whether JS and AP can secure any enabling projects to fund it..

We can all get misty eyed about BP memories long gone, but that was the past, we've got to look forward. Fans wanting to remain at BP are somewhat guilty of holding the club back for future generations imho. Can't get excited about redeveloping BP myself unless it's an obvious stop gap solution..
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Two questions? Why do you assume a new stadium would be overpriced? And why if built correctly would you assume it would be soulless?

Even if BP was redeveloped, the capacity maybe could only be increased by a couple of thousand due to its footprint. Still no 24/7 money making possibilities. A weird huge side stand that only runs 50% of the pitch dwarfing the rest of the stadium, a decrepit away end not fit for purpose, a home end that's too small to generate any significant atmosphere, lack of parking, lack of local pubs and eateries etc etc etc the problems remain if the Main Stand was redeveloped.

Can't get back to BP much, but every time I do I find it a pretty soulless experience a fifth of the way through the 21st century..

Remaining at BP will ensure that there's a lower glass ceiling to what we can achieve as a club compared to moving to bigger, better and higher potential income facilities.. all depends on the net cost of a new stadium and whether JS and AP can secure any enabling projects to fund it..

We can all get misty eyed about BP memories long gone, but that was the past, we've got to look forward. Fans wanting to remain at BP are somewhat guilty of holding the club back for future generations imho. Can't get excited about redeveloping BP myself unless it's an obvious stop gap solution..


100% with you.

I started going back in 1989, and was spoilt with 2 incredible seasons on the bounce. But honestly, out of 29-30 seasons since then, I’d say 2/3 of them have been complete torture, so I’ll not miss Blundell Park when it’s gone.
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Quoted from BS baffles brains

Using the services of a well known local architect, even better,  monies staying local


Maybe the one who did the Bullring fountains or he who did the Freeman Street lamp posts or better still the one responsible for River Head bus station , and get Engie to be the main contractors  
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I’m not sure it would. A new modern stand would surely have a smaller capacity than one built a hundred years ago? There’s no room to make it deeper.

The seats at the back are useless, and presumably they wouldn’t be able to have the roof any higher, so I think even if it does run the full length of the pitch, the capacity would be similar to what it currently is?


Lazy maths really: If it already runs for 2/3s the length of the pitch adding on an extra 50% length would put on 50% capacity. The roof height wouldn’t matter - a new stand wouldn’t have an apex roof. It’d more likely have a shallow pitched rear sloping roof which would remove any poor view from the back anyway. Factor in that it’s unlikely that you would need a directors area behind the benches too and a bit more capacity is added on. = easily enough room for a newly built 3,500 capacity stand on that side.
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A new Main stand would be a good short term fix , we still need a new ground though if we’re ever going to compete at the higher levels we have done throughout most of our history .
The question is would a new stand be wasting money if we’re likely to get a new ground anytime soon ?
Or is a new Main stand an admission that it’s very unlikely we’re going to get a new ground anytime soon ?  
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I’m not sure it would. A new modern stand would surely have a smaller capacity than one built a hundred years ago? There’s no room to make it deeper.

The seats at the back are useless, and presumably they wouldn’t be able to have the roof any higher, so I think even if it does run the full length of the pitch, the capacity would be similar to what it currently is?


There is room. The roof doesn't extend over the concourse at the back the way the Osmond and Pontoon do. There is also room to extend toward the Pontoon, so with clever design, could easily be double the capacity, if not more. It could also incorporate various rooms into the design, such as bars, eateries and function rooms.

I'm just playing devils advocate here, because my preference would be for a new iconic ground on the docks, but if redeveloping BP is the plan, whether in the short or long term, there is scope to make it a whole lot better than it is now.

We have to face the facts that the ground is way past it's sell by date and the Main and Osmond need significant works carried out, sooner rather than later. The structures are rotting away and need a lot of work just to keep them this side of safe. At some point, maintenance becomes never ending and too costly to keep on top of.  They may have decided to bite the bullet and redevelop.

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The attitude of the last 20 years seems to have been let’s not spend a penny on Blundell park as we’re  trying to get a new ground , maybe this has been a huge smokes screen that’s enabled people to get away with not spending a penny on Blundell park
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Seems to me that there’s several on here who were adamant we needed a new stadium six months ago that appear to have had their mind changed.
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Quoted from The Old Codger
Seems to me that there’s several on here who were adamant we needed a new stadium six months ago that appear to have had their mind changed.


New stadium or a fit for purpose stadium?

BP could fit the latter with enough thought, money and effort.

Would still like a new one myself, but not just any stadium. Some of the new ones are horrible if you get it wrong.
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I took a friend to BP yesterday to watch his first game since the late 80's, he struggles to walk so we knowing we couldn't park close to the ground i had to drive past and drop him at McDonalds, got told to move on by the police while i was trying to help him out the car. I then had to fight my way through the traffic back to the old Ramsdens site before i could park up to then walk back to meet him which took me a good 40mins

When we made it to the ground i had been telling him about the new fan zone etc so we tried to get a pint only to be told the fan zone was full, ok not a problem so walked to the other end of the ground to enter at the lower smiths then had to walk all the way back to try and get in the lower smiths bar which was dangerously over crowded im my opinion so we took our seats in the ground, i went to grab two hot drinks so back all the other way to the end of the stand again to the kiosk which had a big queue so by the time i got back the game had started

We didn't bother with drinks at half time but did need the toilet which again was an absolute joke, never come as close to pissing myself without actually getting wet  

Full time we sat back for ten mins to let the rush leave, i got him to McDonalds and left him while i walked back for the car but it took me 50 mins to get out of Phelps Street and back to pick him up, when i dropped him off he thanked me for the day out but said he couldn't do it again so please tell me again why we would want to redevelop Blundell Park


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New stadium or a fit for purpose stadium?

BP could fit the latter with enough thought, money and effort.

Would still like a new one myself, but not just any stadium. Some of the new ones are horrible if you get it wrong.


It’s all about having the right ground for me. I think with a bit of thought into getting people in from better areas for parking or promoting public or shared transport and encouraging cycling and walking then a redeveloped BP is ideal.

It’s not difficult to envisage a new Main Stand development being the catalyst to rebuild both ends as a joined up u-shaped stand and then find a way of building around to join up with the Smith’s. Ballpark figures of 2000 and each end and a new c3500 Main would be a c10,000 capacity BP even if you don’t fill the Smith’s sides in. The difficult bit would be getting people to find better ways to get in than driving and that’s where you need to start looking at different locations.
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Quoted from LH


It’s all about having the right ground for me. I think with a bit of thought into getting people in from better areas for parking or promoting public or shared transport and encouraging cycling and walking then a redeveloped BP is ideal.

It’s not difficult to envisage a new Main Stand development being the catalyst to rebuild both ends as a joined up u-shaped stand and then find a way of building around to join up with the Smith’s. Ballpark figures of 2000 and each end and a new c3500 Main would be a c10,000 capacity BP even if you don’t fill the Smith’s sides in. The difficult bit would be getting people to find better ways to get in than driving and that’s where you need to start looking at different locations.


The solution of getting people in and out is right behind the main stand
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I love BP but it saw its day three decades ago. We didn’t bother with a beer in the ground as no chance of getting served plus the toilet situation in the Upper is a joke - how much revenue is lost with people thinking the same ? .
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It’s all about having the right ground for me. I think with a bit of thought into getting people in from better areas for parking or promoting public or shared transport and encouraging cycling and walking then a redeveloped BP is ideal.

It’s not difficult to envisage a new Main Stand development being the catalyst to rebuild both ends as a joined up u-shaped stand and then find a way of building around to join up with the Smith’s. Ballpark figures of 2000 and each end and a new c3500 Main would be a c10,000 capacity BP even if you don’t fill the Smith’s sides in. The difficult bit would be getting people to find better ways to get in than driving and that’s where you need to start looking at different locations.


Read what Simon has written. It cannot be fit for purpose on the existing footprint, and it hasn’t been fit for purpose since the 80’s.

Parking is a nightmare if the attendance is over 5000.

Why are people from this area so scared of change, when change is exactly what is needed?

It does worry me that Stockwood and Pettit also appear to be of the same opinion of the local dinosaurs, in this respect.
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It does worry me that Stockwood and Pettit also appear to be of the same opinion of the local dinosaurs, in this respect.


Hmm I'm not so sure they are as disinterested in a new stadium as their statements outwardly suggest. They are quite astute and I imagine work will be continuing to some extent behind the scenes, but they will be acutely aware that the fans have been promised a new stadium with bells on it many times, with premature announcements that have led to nothing.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are still on it, whilst making some improvements to BP as well (even if they got funding and permission for a new stadium tomorrow, it'd be a couple years till we were in it anyway).
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I love BP but it saw its day three decades ago. We didn’t bother with a beer in the ground as no chance of getting served plus the toilet situation in the Upper is a joke - how much revenue is lost with people thinking the same ? .


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As much as I love BP (and regardless of our demise over the past 20 years, it does hold many special memories for me), I struggle to wrap my head around the viability of redeveloping it. As the photo below shows, it's incredibly hemmed in from all angles (with the possible exception of the Findus) and the existing footprint of the ground isn't really sufficient to fit a modern stadium with a capacity in the region of 15,000 (which seems to be the general consensus of what we should be aiming for).


That's not to say it can't be done; Spurs managed to shuffle along the existing footprint of White Hart Lane after the local steel business which occupied the land they needed 'mysteriously' burned down, and Liverpool are making a good go of redeveloping Anfield with similar issues to those of BP, however the cost of buying up houses around the ground and compulsory purchase orders for the stubborn few who refuse to leave makes more economical sense in the context of a £100m+ rebuild, and is also ethically questionable.

Perhaps the best example vaguely relevant to us is Bristol City's redevelopment of Ashton Gate. They built two brand new stands whilst updating an existing one and they've got something that wouldn't look out of place in the Premier League, though one existing stand behind the goal remains with little which can be done with the road right behind it. A little trivia, and I'm not sure how well known this is, but those tower blocks in the foreground are those famously used as part of the set from Only Fools and Horses (Nelson Mandela House et al).


In our case, surely the issue isn't the availability of land. If Brentford can find a patch of land big enough to build a Premier League stadium in the heart of west London, surely it shouldn't be an issue in a part of England amongst the cheapest for land and absolutely screaming out for regeneration. Any redevelopment of BP would be restrictive, and potentially costly as a result. Putting sentiment to one side, it just doesn't strike me as the best way to advance the club in terms of its facilities.

The issue, in my opinion, has always been financing. I don't pretend to have all the answers to that, but whether we're trying to redevelop BP or looking elsewhere, a financing solution is going to be needed. If we can solve that conundrum, I'd love to see something akin to what Rotherham have got, built on brownfield land close to the town centre. Again, I love BP, I just don't think it holds the key to our future.



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Does anybody seriously think we could get planning permission to redevelop the main stand? It's right up to the houses behind it, we would only be allowed to build it the same size as it is with the same problems with the view from the back.

You only have to look at the cinema at Meridian Point. Before it was built, people would travel to Scunny or Dull to watch films, rather than down Freemo. Now they have have modern comfortable facilities they don't have to. They have all the things that they want without having to travel.
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The issue with parking seems to be a point that’s constantly made but would be no different whether we had a new ground or not…anyone that’s ever been to those awful out of town stadiums knows you just sit in a disorganised car park for at least half an hour after the game…no different to hear. If you’re gonna park in the streets directly outside BP, or any football ground you have to imagine you’d be sat in some traffic…

BP can be made for for purpose and with a little thought and genuine discussion it’s possible, which is why we haven’t heard much to be honest. The new guys will no doubt be exploring that avenue rather than just spunking club money on a vanity project that serves only to inflate their ego…

I’m not against a new stadium but it has to be well thought out and not some identikit breeze block hell hole on the edge of town…


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The issue with parking seems to be a point that’s constantly made but would be no different whether we had a new ground or not…anyone that’s ever been to those awful out of town stadiums knows you just sit in a disorganised car park for at least half an hour after the game…no different to hear. If you’re gonna park in the streets directly outside BP, or any football ground you have to imagine you’d be sat in some traffic…

BP can be made for for purpose and with a little thought and genuine discussion it’s possible, which is why we haven’t heard much to be honest. The new guys will no doubt be exploring that avenue rather than just spunking club money on a vanity project that serves only to inflate their ego…

I’m not against a new stadium but it has to be well thought out and not some identikit breeze block hell hole on the edge of town…


The point is those "disorganised" car parks are for parking cars . The streets around BP are not car parks! On street fan car parking does cause a lot of problems for local residents and these streets were never designed for the amount of traffic trying to access them on match days


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I think a new Main stand if probably the bare minimum needed for the next 5 years , A new stadium would be for the next 50-60 years
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Quoted from grimps
I think a new Main stand if probably the bare minimum needed for the next 5 years , A new stadium would be for the next 50-60 years


The football club will have to make a decision between the two options very soon I believe. BP isn’t fit for purpose so they will either have to make it so or move. What also needs to be considered is what happens if capacity is dramatically reduced for any work to be completed.
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The fit for purpose phrase is odd too…We all know it’s old and knackered and with honest John at the helm it was allowed to decline further whilst he chased a new stadium dream that was never happening but I’m sure, fundamentally, it is fit for purpose…just not modern.

People moan about the toilets for instance…again, there’s thousands of bigs at OT or anfield for instance but once you put a lot of people in a confined space, you have to queue.

I don’t understand the issue people have with ‘walking’ around the ground…surely you expect that…the bar situation could be improved but we know the club are working on this and it’s improved drastically in a short space of time.

Time will tell if they decide to pursue a move away from BP but I wouldn’t count our redevelopment and improved facilities at BP just yet…


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I think car parking is a bit of a red herring. There is no way planning permission would be granted for thousands of car parking spaces anyway - authorities are keen on getting us out of our cars. It would have to park and ride I would imagine with any new stadium. Street parking is actually preferable in terms of being able to drive near the ground and find a space. I am sure the owners will be looking at all options though for parking ideas around BP.

I guess the owners might be thinking of a halfway house with a redevelopment of the main stand. it gives us some breathing space in the years ahead, but does not preclude a new stadium if things really take off.

The downside is will we miss the boat of an iconic dockside stadium if this is a possibility?

A new stadium on the docks is my preferred option, but has this really any chance of happening?
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What would be the point in spending millions on a new Main Stand only for the short to medium term and then move us to a new stadium sometime later on. That would be a total waste of money.

This does concern me that the new owners may be looking to kick the can down the road a bit, imho any development needs to work on a 50+ year time horizon as we need a long term solution.
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I think car parking is a bit of a red herring. There is no way planning permission would be granted for thousands of car parking spaces anyway - authorities are keen on getting us out of our cars. It would have to park and ride I would imagine with any new stadium. Street parking is actually preferable in terms of being able to drive near the ground and find a space. I am sure the owners will be looking at all options though for parking ideas around BP.

I guess the owners might be thinking of a halfway house with a redevelopment of the main stand. it gives us some breathing space in the years ahead, but does not preclude a new stadium if things really take off.

The downside is will we miss the boat of an iconic dockside stadium if this is a possibility?

A new stadium on the docks is my preferred option, but has this really any chance of happening?


For me it’s Freeman Street or nothing. The docks is a bit of a pipe dream.

And whilst I’m 100% for Freemo, I do agree that nothing will alleviate parking issues, no matter what the outcome. Park and ride is the future (unfortunately!).
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The council are looking to build a multi storey car park in grant street, match days it could be made free to park, with park and ride funded by the club.  A  new main stand with a modern roof would not give any issues to viewing from the back no matter how high it could be.
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The council are looking to build a multi storey car park in grant street, match days it could be made free to park, with park and ride funded by the club.  A  new main stand with a modern roof would not give any issues to viewing from the back no matter how high it could be.


I mentioned the roof thing, and if you’re referring to what I said (I’m not sure) what I meant was the council are unlikely to allow planning for a higher roof than it currently has, as residents back windows look right at it.
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I think car parking is a bit of a red herring. There is no way planning permission would be granted for thousands of car parking spaces anyway - authorities are keen on getting us out of our cars. It would have to park and ride I would imagine with any new stadium. Street parking is actually preferable in terms of being able to drive near the ground and find a space. I am sure the owners will be looking at all options though for parking ideas around BP.

I guess the owners might be thinking of a halfway house with a redevelopment of the main stand. it gives us some breathing space in the years ahead, but does not preclude a new stadium if things really take off.

The downside is will we miss the boat of an iconic dockside stadium if this is a possibility?

A new stadium on the docks is my preferred option, but has this really any chance of happening?


On - street parking is ok if the spaces are available and the streets can handle the traffic, even for maybe 3 to 4 hours on a Saturday. Unfortunately all the surrounding streets can't safely handle that volume of traffic. With double parking down the streets by residents ( the do own cars as well!) and several of the streets one-way, the whole situation becomes a traffic nightmare. With increased gates at BP the situation is only going to get worse. Then you can throw in the possibility of emergency services trying to access one of this streets between 2 to 3pm on a match day then you could be faced with a potential incident becoming a disaster, especially if there was a house fire.


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I mentioned the roof thing, and if you’re referring to what I said (I’m not sure) what I meant was the council are unlikely to allow planning for a higher roof than it currently has, as residents back windows look right at it.


Is that the planning law for definite?  Genuine question as I have no experience in planning matters that affect community stadiums.

Also surely the council would wait to see what clever design ideas they could come up with? It might look spectacular and improve the overall environment?

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Is that the planning law for definite?  Genuine question as I have no experience in planning matters that affect community stadiums.

Also surely the council would wait to see what clever design ideas they could come up with? It might look spectacular and improve the overall environment?



No Lew, it’s not the rule, I’m just saying that any resident who complains is likely to have a strong case for refusal if you’re looking at rebuilding to a greater height. I’m probably no more expert than you on this issue!
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Is that the planning law for definite?  Genuine question as I have no experience in planning matters that affect community stadiums.

Also surely the council would wait to see what clever design ideas they could come up with? It might look spectacular and improve the overall environment?



    Easily sorted, buy all the houses behind the main stand, flatten then and provide restricted parking .
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No Lew, it’s not the rule, I’m just saying that any resident who complains is likely to have a strong case for refusal if you’re looking at rebuilding to a greater height. I’m probably no more expert than you on this issue!


Looks like it could be circumnavigated with compensation - https://www.whnsolicitors.co.u.....light-what-can-i-do/ Luckily we now have an expert developer at the club.


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    Easily sorted, buy all the houses behind the main stand, flatten then and provide restricted parking .


But you have to have planning permission to demolish a building and change the use of the land.


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    Easily sorted, buy all the houses behind the main stand, flatten then and provide restricted parking .


Easily sorted if they are happy to sell and if you're happy to pay a premium for that land as they have no obligation to sell.
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Is that the planning law for definite?  Genuine question as I have no experience in planning matters that affect community stadiums.

Also surely the council would wait to see what clever design ideas they could come up with? It might look spectacular and improve the overall environment?



Planning laws can be a minefield to negotiate but at least the local planners will give you an indication of if your application will be successful. It seems to have been forgotten by many or maybe not even known that many many years ago when the club approached the Council about developing BP, the preferred option, by the Council, was a ground move. This was in the public domain and was mentioned in the GET at the time.


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Probably already been asked but, with regards the redevelopment of the main stand (if it were to happen)

1.would this also incorporate the osmond being redeveloped
2. Could the main stand run the whole length of the pitch
3. Isn’t the main stand a listed building


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I understand additional storeys on top of existing football stands are now classed as permitted development, subject to the materials being of a similar appearance to the existing.
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At that time Rancio, was it still Cleethorpes council, when it had it's own council, separate to Grisby, and before N E Lincs? Don't think it would make a difference though,  I think the club would struggle to get any kind of planning permission.
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At that time Rancio, was it still Cleethorpes council, when it had it's own council, separate to Grimsby, and before N E Lincs? Don't think it would make a difference though,  I think the club would struggle to get any kind of planning permission.


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I understand additional storeys on top of existing football stands are now classed as permitted development, subject to the materials being of a similar appearance to the existing.


They would still have to get past objections from local residents if the skyline was heightened. It would be quite easy for any pressure group to whip up resistance against this with the argument "Mainstand today, Osmond and Pontoon to come. Thin end of the wedge" Do you think a Mainstand the same height as The Youngs would be given planning permission because I seriously doubt it.


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Quoted from Sigone
The council are looking to build a multi storey car park in grant street, match days it could be made free to park, with park and ride funded by the club.  A  new main stand with a modern roof would not give any issues to viewing from the back no matter how high it could be.


The last time I sat in the Main Stand was a reserve game, when Bradley Woods made perhaps his first appearance.

So, I cannot remember why views are restricted, is it due to the roof or the elevation of the seats?
If it is the roof, could not a front section be constructed with a different angle, without making it higher than the top?







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They would still have to get past objections from local residents if the skyline was heightened. It would be quite easy for any pressure group to whip up resistance against this with the argument "Mainstand today, Osmond and Pontoon to come. Thin end of the wedge" Do you think a Mainstand the same height as The Youngs would be given planning permission because I seriously doubt it.


Don’t worry, was just a little planning joke.
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People have a right to light under planning, but that doesn't stop stuff being built at height. I remember the pressure group down Seacroft road complaining long and loud about the development on the old Winter Gardens site, but it went ahead.

If the council approve planning, I'm sure the residents of Harrington St. will lodge a complaint, but they have to have an extremely strong case to stop any subsequent works from going ahead. There is already a precedent set with the pre existing stand. They bought those houses knowing what was at the bottom of their gardens.
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Don’t worry, was just a little planning joke.


That's fine. The thing is though that a lot of posters on here get an idea about some kind of plan or other and never look at the next stage. As an example I have heard so many suggestions about using Docks/New Clee Station for visiting fans without realising that Network Rail will never put money into these for 23 days of the year at most.


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That's fine. The thing is though that a lot of posters on here get an idea about some kind of plan or other and never look at the next stage. As an example I have heard so many suggestions about using Docks/New Clee Station for visiting fans without realising that Network Rail will never put money into these for 23 days of the year at most.


The stations are already there though. You can request stop at them if you ask nicely.
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The stations are already there though. You can request stop at them if you ask nicely.


Unless it has changed then that only applies to the Barton train. TPE and the Lincoln service do not use it as a request stop. As an example if Stockport fans wanted to come by train then they cannot use Docks or New Clee stations.


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But you have to have planning permission to demolish a building and change the use of the land.


Not if you live down Humberston Ave. A developer bought a house and demolished it the next day to provide access for the development. The council stated the house will be rebuilt as they did not having planning permission to demolish it! Never happened! And there's a nice road!



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I am sure all these issues can be mitigated with clever planning and a clever design that will satisfy all parties. It is a while since I was in the main stand but there is quite a bit of room behind the stand isn't there - more room for a clever design.

The main thing is why are they looking at it - short to mid-term improvements with a new stadium to follow later at some point - or the first step in developing BP to stay permanently?

We will know soon enough.
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Not if you live down Humberston Ave. A developer bought a house and demolished it the next day to provide access for the development. The council stated the house will be rebuilt as they did not having planning permission to demolish it! Never happened! And there's a nice road!



Good point but that was a strange situation. The property was bought and demolished purely to provide access to a new housing development. The Council were out manoeuvred - nothing to do with Humberston Avenue, as that scenario could have occurred in many other locations. The Council found themselves in a no-win situation and I am sure their legal advisors would have pointed this out.


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I am sure all these issues can be mitigated with clever planning and a clever design that will satisfy all parties. It is a while since I was in the main stand but there is quite a bit of room behind the stand isn't there - more room for a clever design.

The main thing is why are they looking at it - short to mid-term improvements with a new stadium to follow later at some point - or the first step in developing BP to stay permanently?

We will know soon enough.


Can you mitigate the poor position of the stadium and the lack of available parking? I’m sure the local residents will be delighted if Town redeveloped BP into a 14,000 capacity stadium. There’s plenty of parking for an additional 6,000 fans after all… NOT.
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Can you mitigate the poor position of the stadium and the lack of available parking? I’m sure the local residents will be delighted if Town redeveloped BP into a 14,000 capacity stadium. There’s plenty of parking for an additional 6,000 fans after all… NOT.


I am sure the owners are clever enough to mitigate that too, if necessary. Some form of park and ride - similar to many stadia around the country. I have always managed to get parked with crowds three times our current attendances - just means I have to walk further. People can be dropped off, share a taxi or be dropped by helicopter on the centre circle. People will make it work.

Big car parking is a definite no in any future planning application for a new stadium as councils are desperate to get us out of our cars, so I doubt very much whether a stadium surrounded by a giant car park is in the offing.

My preference as I said is a Dockside stadium (presumably with park and ride to get there) but it is the owners who will decide; if they wish to redevelop BP then we will have to make it work, won't we?
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Not living locally, I have no idea where carparks are other than near Cleethorpes front, so where would I park and then ride. A nice new 1000 space carpark near Great Coates? (Defeats the object it might as well be built by the new ground)  A Town centre multistorey? either way most people will still drive much of the journey and park in Grimsby so the general stance of Govt/Council re carparks with developments will never hold ground. I get we need to cut emissions etc. but until an alternative to the car is fast, safe and efficient what do you do!
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Not living locally, I have no idea where carparks are other than near Cleethorpes front, so where would I park and then ride. A nice new 1000 space carpark near Great Coates? (Defeats the object it might as well be built by the new ground)  A Town centre multistorey? either way most people will still drive much of the journey and park in Grimsby so the general stance of Govt/Council re carparks with developments will never hold ground. I get we need to cut emissions etc. but until an alternative to the car is fast, safe and efficient what do you do!


Of course you are right, but as long as the club tick the park and ride box, or any other solution they come up with, people will obviously do what they like in order to get there.
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They would still have to get past objections from local residents if the skyline was heightened. It would be quite easy for any pressure group to whip up resistance against this with the argument "Mainstand today, Osmond and Pontoon to come. Thin end of the wedge" Do you think a Mainstand the same height as The Youngs would be given planning permission because I seriously doubt it.


I’m pretty sure if a few grand compensation was offered to those residents they’d waiver their objections , most of those houses will be rentals anyway
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I’m pretty sure if a few grand compensation was offered to those residents they’d waiver their objections , most of those houses will be rentals anyway


Sorry, are those people who rent & aren't fortunate enough to own their own homes 2nd class citizens who's views on the area they live in not valid?
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Sorry, are those people who rent & aren't fortunate enough to own their own homes 2nd class citizens who's views on the area they live in not valid?


No but I’d guess that the tenants would be the objectors and the receivers of the compensation?
If I was renting or the owner and someone offered me a few grand I’d take it , I’d deffo take it if I was a short term renter or owner and had visions of not living in the same house for ever
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Parking for a 4000 home crowd at Blundell Park was tolerable, for 6000 it’s pretty horrendous, for 10000 it would be intolerable.

There simply isn’t an acceptable solution, wherever the Park & Ride would be situated.
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Parking for a 4000 home crowd at Blundell Park was tolerable, for 6000 it’s pretty horrendous, for 10000 it would be intolerable.

There simply isn’t an acceptable solution, wherever the Park & Ride would be situated.


I went 40 years ago when the average gates were 10/11,000 and parking wasn't a problem then.



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I went 40 years ago when the average gates were 10/11,000 and parking wasn't a problem then.



I guess people have become more reliant on cars now .
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I guess people have become more reliant on cars now .


Some would say too reliant and want to go door to door in their cars. We need to move away from the reliance on cars.

I walk to BP and back every game, which is a bit over a mile each way. Surely even those who come in from out of town in a car can find somewhere to park in the radius of a mile from the ground and walk the rest, or jump on a bus.

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more families have more than one car now, meaning less space around


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With every seat being sold yesterday then.......none 😉


You know I meant beer sales not seats ……..and that’s even with our easy access aisle ones too  
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I went 40 years ago when the average gates were 10/11,000 and parking wasn't a problem then.



In 1980 there were 19.2 motor  vehicles ( cars, vans and lorrys) on the UK roads. At this moment in time there are 36 million CARS on the UK roads. No wonder parking wasn't a problem in 1980. There certainly wasn't the car ownership density in the streets around BP then as there is now.


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Not if you live down Humberston Ave. A developer bought a house and demolished it the next day to provide access for the development. The council stated the house will be rebuilt as they did not having planning permission to demolish it! Never happened! And there's a nice road!



Shouldn’t one of the ward councillors have kicked up a fuss over it? I’m sure I heard there was a Humberston councillor who was very involved in planning issues.


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Where did all those people park when we had 22-23,000 in the ground for THE Everton and Exeter games? Or 16-17,000 in for the Spurs and Newcastle games in the early 90s. How on Earth did people get to the football?


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PS if the Main Stand is to be redeveloped, the ground capacity will need to come down during the works. The area between the Pontoon and the Main stand would probably need to be delivery/materials/site huts so you couldn’t put something up there first.


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Some would say too reliant and want to go door to door in their cars. We need to move away from the reliance on cars.

I walk to BP and back every game, which is a bit over a mile each way. Surely even those who come in from out of town in a car can find somewhere to park in the radius of a mile from the ground and walk the rest, or jump on a bus.



Yeah, seems as though a lot of car users feel entitled to a parking space within 5 minutes of Blundell Park half an hour before kickoff.

If you head towards Queen Mary Ave / Carr Lane there's usually loads of on street parking available, even this season, and it's only a 10-15 minute walk mostly through a park to get to Blundell Park. Think people are really overstating the parking issues this season personally.


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