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Always wondered why the mighty Roman emperor Tiberius would want to kill such a magical man, he’d of been shipped of to Rome in no time. No disrespect to those of faith but logically thinking the Jesus story are pure fantasy it’s that simple.
You know that, I know that, the rational world around us realises that, but these religious types cling on to such ridiculous beliefs. It's both sad and terrifying that today, in an age where we've made flying machines on another planet, there are still people around who think a bronze aged goat herder is going to come back and murder everyone who doesn't believe he was here first time...... Imagine how far we could be technologically today if it weren't for the religious doctrine of the dark ages. It's pretty pathetic. |
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Well I suppose I should be thankful I got a straight answer, at long last, even though it's either a delusional one or a flat out lie.
So let me get it straight....
In your head, it's more likely than not that a man 2000 years ago turned water into wine, healed lepers, healed a paralysed servant, healed a blokes withered hand, calms the sea during a storm, fed 5000 people with 5 loaves & 3 fish, walked on water, raised people (including himself from the grave, caused a man's ear to grow back.
All of this is more likely to have happened than these things were stories of someone (as remarkable a person as that may have been) which were passed from generation to generation by word of mouth (illiteracy was prevalent then, remember) then written down decades if not hundreds of years after the alleged events, then copied, and translated, and copied again and translated again and copied again. Rather than any of these stories being embellished, changed, exaggerated or flat out just made up, you're saying it's MORE LIKELY that they're actually true stories about Jesus....?
Are you deluded or lying?
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Always wondered why the mighty Roman emperor Tiberius would want to kill such a magical man, he’d of been shipped of to Rome in no time. No disrespect to those of faith but logically thinking the Jesus story is pure fantasy it’s that simple.
Can you imagine in 2,000 years' time somebody reads about a young Austrian who had millions of fellow human beings killed, murdered, and want to have their race exterminated? They'd say it was ridiculous, nobody would do that to fellow humans. Hitler did! Because we are not there at the time it does not mean that it did not happen. Likewise, those in the future are not living in our time. Today we have more sophisticated means of recording events than pen and paper. |
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Can you imagine in 2,000 years' time somebody reads about a young Austrian who had millions of fellow human beings killed, murdered, and want to have their race exterminated? They'd say it was ridiculous, nobody would do that to fellow humans. Hitler did!
Because we are not there at the time it does not mean that it did not happen. Likewise, those in the future are not living in our time. Today we have more sophisticated means of recording events than pen and paper.
Your scraping an empty barrel with that analogy DB! Genocides have been part of the human timeline going all the way back to the Neanderthal days. Again no disrespect but I’m genuinely intrigued as to why you cannot look at the life of the Jesus story from a scientific point of view as well as your own emotional views? you’re explanation ...”Because we are not there at the time it does not mean that it did not happen” is quite a cop out! We can talk about jonah and the whale, Noah’s Ark, Samson’s magical hair FFS! Story’s like these are pure make believe! scientifically impossible surly you understand this without needing to be there? And in the same context much of the Jesus’s Wizardly magic is much the same ...impossible. |
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Your scraping an empty barrel with that analogy DB! Genocides have been part of the human timeline going all the way back to the Neanderthal days.
Again no disrespect but I’m genuinely intrigued as to why you cannot look at the life of the Jesus story from a scientific point of view as well as your own emotional views?
you’re explanation ...”Because we are not there at the time it does not mean that it did not happen” is quite a cop out!
We can talk about jonah and the whale, Noah’s Ark, Samson’s magical hair FFS! Story’s like these are pure make believe! scientifically impossible surly you understand this without needing to be there? And in the same context much of the Jesus’s Wizardly magic is much the same ...impossible.
Which book of their day are these recorded in? With regard to the Old Testament, it was written for the Israelites and Jews of that time. The life of Jesus started after that. |
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Can you imagine in 2,000 years' time somebody reads about a young Austrian who had millions of fellow human beings killed, murdered, and want to have their race exterminated? They'd say it was ridiculous, nobody would do that to fellow humans. Hitler did!
Because we are not there at the time it does not mean that it did not happen. Likewise, those in the future are not living in our time. Today we have more sophisticated means of recording events than pen and paper.
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Can you imagine in 2,000 years' time somebody reads about a young Austrian who had millions of fellow human beings killed, murdered, and want to have their race exterminated? They'd say it was ridiculous, nobody would do that to fellow humans. Hitler did!
Because we are not there at the time it does not mean that it did not happen. Likewise, those in the future are not living in our time. Today we have more sophisticated means of recording events than pen and paper.
And they'd find contemporaneous accounts of these events happening from many, many different sources all converging on the same version of the story. The polar opposite of the claim you are making is true! I'll take deluded, not a liar. |
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You know that, I know that, the rational world around us realises that, but these religious types cling on to such ridiculous beliefs. It's both sad and terrifying that today, in an age where we've made flying machines on another planet, there are still people around who think a bronze aged goat herder is going to come back and murder everyone who doesn't believe he was here first time...... Imagine how far we could be technologically today if it weren't for the religious doctrine of the dark ages.
It's pretty pathetic.
Felt the need to chip in here with regards to DB constant defending of the christian faith. Jesus was someone who represented love which is something that is acutely missing in quite a few peoples lives which leads many to despair,drugs, alcohol and even suicide. A book which always springs to mind is Cupcakes Brown a piece of cake. Horrendous background and experiences. Almost at deaths door living homeless and high on drugs it was her faith in God which saved her. She now is a successful lawyer There has been other high profile cases where Jesus has put others including famous boxers Manny Pacquaio, Tyson Fury and Nigel Benn on the straight path and not to forget the celebrities who are staunch Christians that have done so much good in their society's notably Denzel Washington who often preaches through his films. I agree with you to a point that the resurrection is something that is hard to comprehend. I personally struggle with it but for others its faith that allows them to have that belief . |
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I think I said at the very start of this, believe what makes you happy, I've no issues with that, but don't be telling anyone else how to think.
And with regards those who have found Jesus and put their lives on track, I couldn't be happier for them. Using anything as a crutch isn't necessarily a bad thing, and like I said, a lot of the Jesus stuff is just hippy "love thy neighbour" stuff which is fine. The issues start to become provocative when they're taken literally ahead of trusted and factual science. Like I said, believe what you like, but have reasons for it. Reasonable people don't need faith to believe in something. Faith is the excuse people use when they have no real reason to.
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I think Biccys what will make most believe in the resurrection of Jesus is if he appears again as some seem to think including Catholic priests who sacrifice the most out of all the religious groups.
In fairness to staunch defenders of the Christian faith it's a very moving experience to be inside the supposed tomb of Jesus in the church of the holy selpulchre in Israel. I've been there myself and it was one of the most moving experiences of my life.
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